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RE: Top CUSA QB?
(11-14-2017 11:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And for all the talk of Mike White's regression his senior year being due to coaching, people forget that Brent was saddled with Buster ******* Faulkner his freshmen year and put up better numbers than White will this year unless White manages to throw for ~1,000 more yards, at least 13 more TDs and no more than 2 more picks...

Or we can look at a year where the offense was built totally around Stockstill...

where both qbs played many of the same schools ..other than Stockstill played against the 127th out of 128 schedules...

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But if I'm being honest....setting at 5-5 vs the 126th schedule in college football. Who is the best or worse or somewhere in between ...means very little to me.
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(11-15-2017 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Amazing these MTSU fans latching on to Injuredstill....The guy has been hurt now for most of 2 seasons, how can anyone say he's better than White? You have to be on the field every game to qualify if we are comparing the two....Bottom line White is available to play every game and Stockhurt is not...

Side note I don't care what happens Friday night, StockHurt probably will light us up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter if you are comparing the two 2 QB's....

Stockstill, when healthy, is flat out better.

His freshmen year numbers, under an awful OC were better than White's senior numbers will end up being.

If Stock is healthy for the full year next year, he'll put up better numbers than White did last year.

I've never seen another college QB, at least in person, who is as good as Stock.

If he were even two inches taller, I have no doubt he'd be NFL bound, but undersized, left handed and injury prone, it's just not going to happen.

If he plays 14 games next year, he'll put up the numbers to draw interest, but his future is almost definitely in coaching.
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(11-15-2017 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 11:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And for all the talk of Mike White's regression his senior year being due to coaching, people forget that Brent was saddled with Buster ******* Faulkner his freshmen year and put up better numbers than White will this year unless White manages to throw for ~1,000 more yards, at least 13 more TDs and no more than 2 more picks...

Or we can look at a year where the offense was built totally around Stockstill...

You're still looking at a year in which Stock played just eight completely healthy games and played his worst game of the season in the bowl game coming back from injury too soon.
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(11-15-2017 10:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 11:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And for all the talk of Mike White's regression his senior year being due to coaching, people forget that Brent was saddled with Buster ******* Faulkner his freshmen year and put up better numbers than White will this year unless White manages to throw for ~1,000 more yards, at least 13 more TDs and no more than 2 more picks...

Or we can look at a year where the offense was built totally around Stockstill...

You're still looking at a year in which Stock played just eight completely healthy games and played his worst game of the season in the bowl game coming back from injury too soon.

seems to me you are looking for excuses.... stats say he played in 10 games. If we are going by anything else

this where I say Mike White was basically shut down and handed the ball off for at the very least 10 quarters out of 14, of 4th quarters...

and in some most of the 3rd also because Western was up by 30 or so points.

the qb ratings were not close and that goes off production...not how many games you played.
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(11-16-2017 12:14 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 10:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 02:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 11:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  And for all the talk of Mike White's regression his senior year being due to coaching, people forget that Brent was saddled with Buster ******* Faulkner his freshmen year and put up better numbers than White will this year unless White manages to throw for ~1,000 more yards, at least 13 more TDs and no more than 2 more picks...

Or we can look at a year where the offense was built totally around Stockstill...

You're still looking at a year in which Stock played just eight completely healthy games and played his worst game of the season in the bowl game coming back from injury too soon.

seems to me you are looking for excuses.... stats say he played in 10 games. If we are going by anything else

this where I say Mike White was basically shut down and handed the ball off for at the very least 10 quarters out of 14, of 4th quarters...

and in some most of the 3rd also because Western was up by 30 or so points.

the qb ratings were not close and that goes off production...not how many games you played.

He did play in 10 games.

One of which he exited after the first quarter having gone 8-11 for 98 yards and a TD. Another of which(bowl game) he came back for too soon and threw two of his seven picks on the season, which is one of the two times he's thrown more than one pick in a game in his career.
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RE: Top CUSA QB?
I'm not sure what the most important statistical variables tell you who is better or even if there are any that tell you that, but the one thing I do know is that leadership is an important factor and I'm not sure that's quantifiable. I can't tell you how much the other team's QB means to their team, but I can tell you that the importance of Brent's presence on the field cannot be overstated. He makes everyone around him better. And he might be the toughest football player I've ever seen.

I still look back in awe in how a high school kid can throw for over 300 yards on a torn ACL? How can that same guy - in college - play an entire 4th quarter with a broken sternum and dislocated collarbone in his throwing shoulder and lead his team to a comeback victory over a P5? He is one of the most accurate QB's I've ever watched. Unfortunately, aside from Richie James he's had all of his receivers drop way too many passes. His football IQ and knowledge of what's going on around him is unparalleled.

We've debated a lot about who is better between Brent and Mike White, but unfortunately we aren't going to have good numbers to compare because of Brent's injuries. There is no doubt that White has a stronger arm. There is no doubt that Brent has a quicker release. There is no doubt that Brent will not play in the NFL but White probably will have that opportunity. There is no doubt wkcc had better receivers last year (and probably this year too with all of our injuries). I'm just not sure there is another QB in this league that means as much to his team as Brent does to MT.
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RE: Top CUSA QB?
Let's just ask what would happen if they traded places and Stock played for WKU and White for MTSU. I personally feel as though Stockstill would fare better than White would. But again, this is all speculation.
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Brent means at least a 20-point positive differential in each game for us.

Even our running game is much more efficient when he's out there. Last year, MT tailback Mathers' worst 3 games were 3 of the 4 games that Brent was out.

Not saying Brent is the best, but he's so important for our team. Lord knows how we beat FIU with Urzua.
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(11-16-2017 10:45 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Brent means at least a 20-point positive differential in each game for us.

Even our running game is much more efficient when he's out there. Last year, MT tailback Mathers' worst 3 games were 3 of the 4 games that Brent was out.

Not saying Brent is the best, but he's so important for our team. Lord knows how we beat FIU with Urzua.

I think Brent Stockstill is tremendous. No doubt. He could very well be the best QB in the conference when playing ( didn't say healthy because's he dang good when he's playing but not healthy).
With that said, I also think there are several quarterbacks in the conference that are equally as important to their team. Off the top of my head, A.J. Erdely, Mason Fine and Dalton Sturm fit into that category.
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https://twitter.com/theathleticcfb/statu...4943910912
According to The All-American, Mason Fine is the best QB in C-USA.
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(11-16-2017 02:15 PM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  https://twitter.com/theathleticcfb/statu...4943910912
According to The All-American, Mason Fine is the best QB in C-USA.

Find another poster on the C-USA board not associated with UNT that would take Mason Fine over Brent Stockstill. I will wait here patiently.

He's a fine player - pun clearly intended - and has had a pretty good year. I look forward to watching him develop over the next couple of years but there are others noteworthy on their season. He might have had one of the best statistical seasons this year but he is not the best QB in the league. Far from it.
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(11-16-2017 02:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  He's a fine player - pun clearly intended

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Heck, with a right kind of argument, I can propose that Jason Driskel is the best CUSA QB. Except no one would believe me, and even I won't believe it much.
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After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.
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(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

He is not bad, but, in my opinion, Driskel is FAU's version of Trent Dilfer. An excellent offense manager, avoids making too many mistakes and avoids getting sacked. He is not nearly as talented as Stockstill, White, or Fine, but he is very durable and does not get in the way of the rushing attack. Obviously, he is intelligent, as it takes quite a bit of the brain power to run the very expansive playbook that Kiffin has installed at FAU
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I think if a QB can manage the game well and not turn it over, then that's my definition of an awesome QB.
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(11-16-2017 04:36 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  I think if a QB can manage the game well and not turn it over, then that's my definition of an awesome QB.

Agreed on that. Wes Counts.......
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(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

Well, I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that most of the entire offense has been lost for a good chunk of the season. When you are down past fourth string running back and have to move a LB and WR to the position just to have a body there how can we blame all that on Brent?

Happened to Marshall last year. But how much worse would they have been without Litton last year in addition to all the other injuries?

All of us are one play away from losing the #1 QB and all of us would be staring down an average season at best.
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(11-16-2017 04:21 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

He is not bad, but, in my opinion, Driskel is FAU's version of Trent Dilfer. An excellent offense manager, avoids making too many mistakes and avoids getting sacked. He is not nearly as talented as Stockstill, White, or Fine, but he is very durable and does not get in the way of the rushing attack. Obviously, he is intelligent, as it takes quite a bit of the brain power to run the very expansive playbook that Kiffin has installed at FAU

No offense meant for the bolded part but "very expansive playbook"? What I see is that Briles call zone read about 70 percent of the plays. It hardly looks expansive watching it.
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(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 04:21 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 03:56 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  After FAU got dialed in, Driskel has been hellaciously good. That whole offense has been a buzzsaw. While I may despise Kiffin and Briles, they can flat out coach.

Stockstill is a good QB but honestly, the offfense this year has been so abysmal, I would never say he's the best because right now he isn't. He has the ability to be but the situation has to right and currently it just isn't.

He is not bad, but, in my opinion, Driskel is FAU's version of Trent Dilfer. An excellent offense manager, avoids making too many mistakes and avoids getting sacked. He is not nearly as talented as Stockstill, White, or Fine, but he is very durable and does not get in the way of the rushing attack. Obviously, he is intelligent, as it takes quite a bit of the brain power to run the very expansive playbook that Kiffin has installed at FAU

No offense meant for the bolded part but "very expansive playbook"? What I see is that Briles call zone read about 70 percent of the plays. It hardly looks expansive watching it.

Over the last 2 games, I have seen 6 different trick plays. And I am not counting just reverses and jet sweeps. There had been two flea flickers (with different personnel involved), two passes off reverses (a WR pass and a QB in slot pass), a wild Owl snap (a variation of a wildcat direct snap), and one more that I can not seem to remember right this minute. I suspect they are not improvising out there, are they?
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