(11-17-2017 07:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 05:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They could do a waiver for schools who were formerly at D1 level for transitioning.

They could, but why would they?

1. Why would the schools and conferences who have power and influence now make a decision to favor University of Tampa over St Petersburg University? Nobody cares that Tampa used to be Division I.

2. They keep making rules and decisions that make it HARDER to move up, not EASIER.

It depends. They could give a waiver to Augusta. Why? Easy access to the professional golf course there. D1 could hold the national championship tournament there.
West Texas A&M could be there for the WAC. It could help keep having many loose schools as Independents when conferences get raided.
Washburn could be a glue for Summit, and be a travel partner for UMKC.

I am not saying Tampa could get a call up since we already have USF in the area. Just saying that some of these former D1 schools can be a glue to help keep conferences stable. I rather have West Texas State in the WAc than I do for Chicago State who should move on.

You're starting to sound like one of those losers who always have a lame excuse for everything to blame everyone else on why they can't get the job done.

(11-17-2017 05:20 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Columbus St., GRU-Augusta, Nova Southeastern, W.Georgia were all D-II schools considering D-I over the last 10 years in the footprint.

Those schools wanting to go DI are one of the reasons that I think something bigger is up. They should have been taken four years ago, but here the Atlantic Sun sits on the verge of desperation. There is no more NJIT's to be had.

Nova Southeastern would have been a key travel partner for FGCU, but nothing happened. FGCU is destined for an independent hell if the A Sun loses its autobid. No one would take them.

The ASun has added four DII schools in two years (FGCU, Kennesaw St, Upstate, and UNF) and all that did is drive full DI's off, as would getting a UTRGV, a Chicago St, or a Summit school.

(11-17-2017 07:40 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the WAC has a choice about it, I don’t see them adding anyone in the Central Time Zone ever again. Cal Baptist replaces Chicago State in 2018, Azusa Pacific replaces UMKC in 2022, and UTRGV gets replaced in 2026.

Not sure about why people are hating West Texas A&M? They are actually in the footprint of the WAC outside of Amarillo. They are kinda in the MTZ to go with New Mexico State. That is why I pointing them out. WAC could be another MWC with UTEP. But West Texas A&M would be the UTEP for the WAC. They were part of the guess on who WAC could invite from D2 a few years ago. Several Lone Star schools where on the list including Dallas Baptist.

But as for A-Sun? I see nobody mentioned West Florida or Florida Tech. With UNA moving up? I say we should look at these 2 schools as well.

(11-18-2017 07:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not sure about why people are hating West Texas A&M? They are actually in the footprint of the WAC outside of Amarillo. They are kinda in the MTZ to go with New Mexico State. That is why I pointing them out. WAC could be another MWC with UTEP. But West Texas A&M would be the UTEP for the WAC. They were part of the guess on who WAC could invite from D2 a few years ago. Several Lone Star schools where on the list including Dallas Baptist.

But as for A-Sun? I see nobody mentioned West Florida or Florida Tech. With UNA moving up? I say we should look at these 2 schools as well.

The danger with WTAMU is that if NMSU gets a home in another conference, this leaves them on an island. There’s also the question of what to do with their football program. The California schools will eventually seek out more schools closer to them.

The other danger with any Texas additions is that if the Southland starts bleeding members in Louisiana, the Texas members will gravitate towards more members in Texas. UTRGV probably still leaves the WAC first before the Southland reaches into the Division II cookie jar, but then again the Southland passed on them several times when they were UTPA.

(11-17-2017 07:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 07:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 05:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They could do a waiver for schools who were formerly at D1 level for transitioning.

They could, but why would they?

1. Why would the schools and conferences who have power and influence now make a decision to favor University of Tampa over St Petersburg University? Nobody cares that Tampa used to be Division I.

2. They keep making rules and decisions that make it HARDER to move up, not EASIER.

It depends. They could give a waiver to Augusta. Why? Easy access to the professional golf course there. D1 could hold the national championship tournament there.

They could already do that. If the NCAA golf people and Augusta National wanted to make a deal, they would.

Quote:West Texas A&M could be there for the WAC. It could help keep having many loose schools as Independents when conferences get raided.

The WAC might bring in another D-II school to get to 10.

Quote:Washburn could be a glue for Summit, and be a travel partner for UMKC.

I am not saying Tampa could get a call up since we already have USF in the area. Just saying that some of these former D1 schools can be a glue to help keep conferences stable. I rather have West Texas State in the WAc than I do for Chicago State who should move on.

It's not a choice between West Texas State and Chicago State. Chicago State seems to have bottomed out at about 2500, and they haven't shut down the school yet. If there is a choice, it's between West Texas State and every other non-Division I school west of the Mississippi you've been pimping for Division I. And West Texas State being in the Border Conference in the 1950s (I may be wrong about this, I *just* *don't* *care*) doesn't give them any real advantage over Texas A&M--El Dorado or whoever.

Actually, WTSU was in the Missouri Valley as recently as the 70s with Louisville, Memphis, New Mexico St., et. al.

(11-18-2017 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 07:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  If there is a choice, it's between West Texas State and every other non-Division I school west of the Mississippi you've been pimping for Division I. And West Texas State being in the Border Conference in the 1950s (I may be wrong about this, I *just* *don't* *care*) doesn't give them any real advantage over Texas A&M--El Dorado or whoever.

Actually, WTSU was in the Missouri Valley as recently as the 70s with Louisville, Memphis, New Mexico St., et. al.

Wikipedia says they dropped in 1986. That's 30 years ago. Nopony cares. It does not give them a leg up today over East Texas State, or North Pennsyltucky A&M, or whoever else in Division II the WAC or the Southland or A-Sun might be looking at.

(11-18-2017 10:48 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 07:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not sure about why people are hating West Texas A&M? They are actually in the footprint of the WAC outside of Amarillo. They are kinda in the MTZ to go with New Mexico State. That is why I pointing them out. WAC could be another MWC with UTEP. But West Texas A&M would be the UTEP for the WAC. They were part of the guess on who WAC could invite from D2 a few years ago. Several Lone Star schools where on the list including Dallas Baptist.

But as for A-Sun? I see nobody mentioned West Florida or Florida Tech. With UNA moving up? I say we should look at these 2 schools as well.

The danger with WTAMU is that if NMSU gets a home in another conference, this leaves them on an island. There’s also the question of what to do with their football program. The California schools will eventually seek out more schools closer to them.

The other danger with any Texas additions is that if the Southland starts bleeding members in Louisiana, the Texas members will gravitate towards more members in Texas. UTRGV probably still leaves the WAC first before the Southland reaches into the Division II cookie jar, but then again the Southland passed on them several times when they were UTPA.

The Lone Star Texas football schools almost all of them are looking to D1. The last time Southland expanded? They grabbed 2 D2 schools over UTRGV. Southland may turned their nose up them again, and go after Tarleton State, Midwestern State, Commerce, Angelo State, Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech or Kingsville over UTRGV.

(11-18-2017 07:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 07:40 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the WAC has a choice about it, I don’t see them adding anyone in the Central Time Zone ever again. Cal Baptist replaces Chicago State in 2018, Azusa Pacific replaces UMKC in 2022, and UTRGV gets replaced in 2026.

Not sure about why people are hating West Texas A&M? They are actually in the footprint of the WAC outside of Amarillo. They are kinda in the MTZ to go with New Mexico State. That is why I pointing them out. WAC could be another MWC with UTEP. But West Texas A&M would be the UTEP for the WAC. They were part of the guess on who WAC could invite from D2 a few years ago. Several Lone Star schools where on the list including Dallas Baptist.

But as for A-Sun? I see nobody mentioned West Florida or Florida Tech. With UNA moving up? I say we should look at these 2 schools as well.

If by kinda in the Mountain Time Zone, you mean not at all, then yes, you are correct.

El Paso is the only Texas city that is in the Mountain Time Zone.