RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 08:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Nebraska is a career killing job. That said, if you get offered $35 million, you take it.
Maybe...maybe not. Scott Frost is already set financially.
It would take someone making a $200,000 yearly salary more than 21 YEARS to make what Scott Frost has already made in TWO years at UCF.
If Frost stays at UCF it would likely take a raise to $3M yearly. That means he could make another $6M just by staying an additional two years. During that time he would still have a really loaded team given that almost all of our big play makers are sophomores, juniors, and even several freshmen.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 10:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:36 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:37 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:26 AM)dcg141 Wrote: I find it hard to believe that Frost would talk to a school that has not fired its current coach. Professional courtesy.
I got word that Herman began talking to Texas after we beat UCONN last season. This kind of stuff happens all the time. I doubt they’re working on contract details already, however.
I get that Frost is a Nebraska alum, but they’re terrible right now. Why he wouldn’t want to stick around with Milton for at least one more year is beyond me. I guess the allure of the P5 is too much for some of these guys to pass up.
Frost would have an absolutely loaded team next year, but sometimes when your name is hot you got to take that opportunity. I do think he can do better than Nebraska. There will probably be some high profile jobs opening. Nebraska has to build a team with out of state players. Not that easy to do (ask Uconn football).
I just don't want him to go to Florida. He will be dead to me when he is gone anyway.
I just hope that the kids can stay focused and continue winning games. It’s absolute BS for schools to be able to contact head coaches during the season. I wish the NCAA would crack down on schools contacting current head coaches during the season. It’s not fair to the players, but we all know the NCAA doesn’t give a crap about the players.
It's actually not against the rules. They need to change that rule and enforce it.
We already know that at least Ole Miss, Arkansas and Tennessee have contacted Norvell.
And we all know that schools NEVER break rules after they're established or even "enforced."
In this case, they don't even have to contact the coach. They just contact his agent. And even then, the interested school doesn't. They have some intermediary do it, or hide behind a privatized athletic association that's immune from any public records request.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 10:11 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:05 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:51 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 08:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Nebraska is a career killing job. That said, if you get offered $35 million, you take it. With that much money it doesn't matter if you fail and never coach again because you're set for life. So it's really up to Frost about whether he wants to take the money and then be fired in 3-4 years from Nebraska or wants to build a legacy at UCF over decades.
How is Nebraska a career killing job?
Fan base has unrealistic expectations despite massive landscape changes In college football since the 90s when when they were relevant. It's nearly impossible to consistently get beyond 9 wins a season there which which is their threshold for firing a coach. Being in a strong big 10 with Ohio State, Michigan, etc just makes it harder. Additionally, what college kid wants to move to Nebraska? You're not going to be able to recruit the kind of players Frost needs for his system there. Too many other more enticing options options for college kids.
I will agree that moving to the BIG was not a wise decision for Nebraska. Culturally, the Big 12 is a better fit. But if you think Nebraska is dead, you don't really understand that program. They are one right hire away from being a national power again. As far as kids not wanting to go to Nebraska, don't kids sign with Ohio State and Michigan and Wisconsin? I know it gets cold in Nebraska (I lived there a couple of years) but that argument makes no sense. Nebraska can sell 5 national title since the 70s and around 100 first-team All-Americans in their history. I'm not a Cornhuskers fan but some of these comments really don't make any sense.
You're not accounting for demographics. The highest number and best recruits come from a handful of states, i.e. California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio. Ohio State will almost always be competitive from that standpoint. Michigan can at least sell proximity to recruits from Ohio. Kids want to play in front of their families at least some of the time. What is going to make a kid from Florida or California move to the middle of nowhere, i.e. Nebraska? Wisconsin is kinda an outlier. Also consider what attractions/things to do each state has. What does Nebraska offer over a dozen other schools with more advantages? The Alabamas, USCs, Floridas, Ohio States, have built in recruiting advantages. I just think things have changed since Nebraska was good and don't see current trends going in Nebraska's favor. They have a lot of headwinds against them.
Nebraska pulled recruits from all over the country under Tom Osborne. If Nebraska just relied on in-state talent, they wouldn't be a blip on the radar of college football. There are sorts of reason kids would play at Nebraska; history, putting players in the NFL, facilities, great fan base, etc.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 10:13 AM)usffan Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:05 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:51 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 08:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Nebraska is a career killing job. That said, if you get offered $35 million, you take it. With that much money it doesn't matter if you fail and never coach again because you're set for life. So it's really up to Frost about whether he wants to take the money and then be fired in 3-4 years from Nebraska or wants to build a legacy at UCF over decades.
How is Nebraska a career killing job?
Fan base has unrealistic expectations despite massive landscape changes In college football since the 90s when when they were relevant. It's nearly impossible to consistently get beyond 9 wins a season there which which is their threshold for firing a coach. Being in a strong big 10 with Ohio State, Michigan, etc just makes it harder. Additionally, what college kid wants to move to Nebraska? You're not going to be able to recruit the kind of players Frost needs for his system there. Too many other more enticing options options for college kids.
I will agree that moving to the BIG was not a wise decision for Nebraska. Culturally, the Big 12 is a better fit. But if you think Nebraska is dead, you don't really understand that program. They are one right hire away from being a national power again. As far as kids not wanting to go to Nebraska, don't kids sign with Ohio State and Michigan and Wisconsin? I know it gets cold in Nebraska (I lived there a couple of years) but that argument makes no sense. Nebraska can sell 5 national title since the 70s and around 100 first-team All-Americans in their history. I'm not a Cornhuskers fan but some of these comments really don't make any sense.
Oh my God, this has become dogma, and it couldn't be more wrong. Nebraska, as a university, is a million times better off in the B1G. There is so much more to a university than a football program. They clearly will be better off financially, and access to the Big Ten Academic Alliance is worth more than anything that's going to happen with their football program.
I was alluding simply to the football side of things. Of course the B1G is better related to academics, prestige and stability. But Nebraska isn't the big fish in the smaller pond anymore when it comes to football.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 08:46 AM)KnightNasty Wrote: The joy everyone on here gets out of the thought about Frost leaving...
Yay! Our conference would take a major hit! Awesome!
Lol. I think it's more look at the laughs they get out of watching certain poster's reactions to these posts. Just enjoy the season we are having and don't stresss over what you can't control. UCF is a desirable job, so IF Frost goes, we will be able to make a solid hire to replace him.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 11:26 AM)usffan Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:36 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:37 AM)Joprior23 Wrote: I got word that Herman began talking to Texas after we beat UCONN last season. This kind of stuff happens all the time. I doubt they’re working on contract details already, however.
I get that Frost is a Nebraska alum, but they’re terrible right now. Why he wouldn’t want to stick around with Milton for at least one more year is beyond me. I guess the allure of the P5 is too much for some of these guys to pass up.
Frost would have an absolutely loaded team next year, but sometimes when your name is hot you got to take that opportunity. I do think he can do better than Nebraska. There will probably be some high profile jobs opening. Nebraska has to build a team with out of state players. Not that easy to do (ask Uconn football).
I just don't want him to go to Florida. He will be dead to me when he is gone anyway.
I just hope that the kids can stay focused and continue winning games. It’s absolute BS for schools to be able to contact head coaches during the season. I wish the NCAA would crack down on schools contacting current head coaches during the season. It’s not fair to the players, but we all know the NCAA doesn’t give a crap about the players.
It's actually not against the rules. They need to change that rule and enforce it.
We already know that at least Ole Miss, Arkansas and Tennessee have contacted Norvell.
And we all know that schools NEVER break rules after they're established or even "enforced."
In this case, they don't even have to contact the coach. They just contact his agent. And even then, the interested school doesn't. They have some intermediary do it, or hide behind a privatized athletic association that's immune from any public records request.
USFFan
That's what they do now, at least in the beginning. But Fuente was traveling to talk to Va Tech while our season was still going on.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 11:35 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:11 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:05 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:51 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote: How is Nebraska a career killing job?
Fan base has unrealistic expectations despite massive landscape changes In college football since the 90s when when they were relevant. It's nearly impossible to consistently get beyond 9 wins a season there which which is their threshold for firing a coach. Being in a strong big 10 with Ohio State, Michigan, etc just makes it harder. Additionally, what college kid wants to move to Nebraska? You're not going to be able to recruit the kind of players Frost needs for his system there. Too many other more enticing options options for college kids.
I will agree that moving to the BIG was not a wise decision for Nebraska. Culturally, the Big 12 is a better fit. But if you think Nebraska is dead, you don't really understand that program. They are one right hire away from being a national power again. As far as kids not wanting to go to Nebraska, don't kids sign with Ohio State and Michigan and Wisconsin? I know it gets cold in Nebraska (I lived there a couple of years) but that argument makes no sense. Nebraska can sell 5 national title since the 70s and around 100 first-team All-Americans in their history. I'm not a Cornhuskers fan but some of these comments really don't make any sense.
You're not accounting for demographics. The highest number and best recruits come from a handful of states, i.e. California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio. Ohio State will almost always be competitive from that standpoint. Michigan can at least sell proximity to recruits from Ohio. Kids want to play in front of their families at least some of the time. What is going to make a kid from Florida or California move to the middle of nowhere, i.e. Nebraska? Wisconsin is kinda an outlier. Also consider what attractions/things to do each state has. What does Nebraska offer over a dozen other schools with more advantages? The Alabamas, USCs, Floridas, Ohio States, have built in recruiting advantages. I just think things have changed since Nebraska was good and don't see current trends going in Nebraska's favor. They have a lot of headwinds against them.
Nebraska pulled recruits from all over the country under Tom Osborne. If Nebraska just relied on in-state talent, they wouldn't be a blip on the radar of college football. There are sorts of reason kids would play at Nebraska; history, putting players in the NFL, facilities, great fan base, etc.
Losing playing Texas and even more losing Oklahoma really hurt the Nebraska program. I don't think the B10 offers a replacement for that. The closest may be Wisconsin but that hasn't matched even close to the Oklahoma rivalry.
I drove through a good part of Nebraska once. It's a very boring drive with only driving through Kansas to be more of a boring drive, in my experiences.
RE: Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
(11-18-2017 11:56 AM)sfink16 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 11:35 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:11 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:
(11-18-2017 10:05 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:
(11-18-2017 09:51 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: Fan base has unrealistic expectations despite massive landscape changes In college football since the 90s when when they were relevant. It's nearly impossible to consistently get beyond 9 wins a season there which which is their threshold for firing a coach. Being in a strong big 10 with Ohio State, Michigan, etc just makes it harder. Additionally, what college kid wants to move to Nebraska? You're not going to be able to recruit the kind of players Frost needs for his system there. Too many other more enticing options options for college kids.
I will agree that moving to the BIG was not a wise decision for Nebraska. Culturally, the Big 12 is a better fit. But if you think Nebraska is dead, you don't really understand that program. They are one right hire away from being a national power again. As far as kids not wanting to go to Nebraska, don't kids sign with Ohio State and Michigan and Wisconsin? I know it gets cold in Nebraska (I lived there a couple of years) but that argument makes no sense. Nebraska can sell 5 national title since the 70s and around 100 first-team All-Americans in their history. I'm not a Cornhuskers fan but some of these comments really don't make any sense.
You're not accounting for demographics. The highest number and best recruits come from a handful of states, i.e. California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio. Ohio State will almost always be competitive from that standpoint. Michigan can at least sell proximity to recruits from Ohio. Kids want to play in front of their families at least some of the time. What is going to make a kid from Florida or California move to the middle of nowhere, i.e. Nebraska? Wisconsin is kinda an outlier. Also consider what attractions/things to do each state has. What does Nebraska offer over a dozen other schools with more advantages? The Alabamas, USCs, Floridas, Ohio States, have built in recruiting advantages. I just think things have changed since Nebraska was good and don't see current trends going in Nebraska's favor. They have a lot of headwinds against them.
Nebraska pulled recruits from all over the country under Tom Osborne. If Nebraska just relied on in-state talent, they wouldn't be a blip on the radar of college football. There are sorts of reason kids would play at Nebraska; history, putting players in the NFL, facilities, great fan base, etc.
Losing playing Texas and even more losing Oklahoma really hurt the Nebraska program. I don't think the B10 offers a replacement for that. The closest may be Wisconsin but that hasn't matched even close to the Oklahoma rivalry.
I drove through a good part of Nebraska once. It's a very boring drive with only driving through Kansas to be more of a boring drive, in my experiences.
You mean the 14 total times they've ever played, including all 10 of the times they played them while in the Big XII? Remember, Oklahoma and Nebraska were members of the Big 8 Conference, which is the conference Nebraska was in when they won all but one of their national titles (the last one came in only the 2nd year of the Big XII's existence, arguably with recruits from before they joined the Big XII). Texas had been in the Southwest Conference. The only Big 8 team with a rivalry with Texas was Oklahoma.
Seriously, this whole "Nebraska should have stayed in the Big XII" is so played out and wrong.
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Unconfirmed Report: Nebraska, Frost "close" on contract, $35M, 7 years
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