(11-20-2017 09:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 08:48 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  It's totally in the committee's hands and who knows what they'd do.
Let's assume Boise wins out.
A Memphis loss to ECU, would drop them out of the Top25.
A USF win over UCF, would likely get them in the top25, but would it put them above Boise? Committee's call.
Now you have potentially unranked Memphis vs 24ish USF.

I could see it all falling apart. A lot has to do with if USF is ranked in the CFP top25 this week.

No, it will be completely done if Memphis beats ECU. Even if USF beats UCF, think about that. USF would have ending wins over a ranked UCF and a ranked Memphis, and finish 11-1.

No way in hell Boise would jump USF OR Memphis.

So, the ONLY thing that matters is IF Memphis beats ECU.

We do that, and Boise is out. No way anybody jumps any of the 3 of us.

Does anybody here realistically think ECU will beat Memphis? It could be close for awhile, or maybe not a blowout, but Memphis is winning that game. Too much on the line for us to look ahead. Book it.

The problem is, if usf beats ucf, ucf will not be ranked. If ecu beats memphis, Memphis will not be ranked. Therefore, usf will have NO wins over ranked teams, and don't put it past those bastards to frame the argument that way.

Any realistic scenario to not get the Access bowl requires ECU winning, and that is just not happening. Don’t even try to trick yourself into believing that blowout of Cincy means anything, we handled BYU pretty good and then had a bye week and Houston beat us like we stole something. At least the nice thing about this upcoming beating is it’s gonna ensure all of us get a check LOL

(11-20-2017 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 08:48 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  It's totally in the committee's hands and who knows what they'd do.
Let's assume Boise wins out.
A Memphis loss to ECU, would drop them out of the Top25.
A USF win over UCF, would likely get them in the top25, but would it put them above Boise? Committee's call.
Now you have potentially unranked Memphis vs 24ish USF.

I could see it all falling apart. A lot has to do with if USF is ranked in the CFP top25 this week.

No, it will be completely done if Memphis beats ECU. Even if USF beats UCF, think about that. USF would have ending wins over a ranked UCF and a ranked Memphis, and finish 11-1.

No way in hell Boise would jump USF OR Memphis.

So, the ONLY thing that matters is IF Memphis beats ECU.

We do that, and Boise is out. No way anybody jumps any of the 3 of us.

Does anybody here realistically think ECU will beat Memphis? It could be close for awhile, or maybe not a blowout, but Memphis is winning that game. Too much on the line for us to look ahead. Book it.

I agree the only scenario the American doesn't get the access is if ECU wins and I find that to be highly unlikely. I still don't think USF is ranked though after that dreadful performance on Friday. Guess we shall see though.

That part I agree with. And I think USF is the least likely of the 3 to win the AAC. But as long as Memphis beats ECU, USF will jump Boise if USF wins out.

So, if USF wins Friday, I expect Quo to be front and center pulling for Memphis on Saturday, lol.

My paramount goal is to see USF get in to the P5. This surpasses any other goal, including glory in a particular season. Would rather USF go 0-12 the next three years and then get invited to the ACC then go 12-0 the next three years but then remain stuck in the AAC. And while i don't think results on the field are the only thing, or even major thing, that matter, they do matter. Also, when i think about all the G5 schools that could get a P5 bid over USF, they are all in the AAC*.

So what it boils down to is this: the only time I want the AAC to get the NY6 bid is if it is USF, because I don't want any other AAC school to get that glory and thus look better in the eyes of P5 evaluators.

So no, I am rooting 100% for ECU, because that way, if Memphis wins the AAC, Memphis might not get the NY6 bid. FWIW, you can consider it a sign of respect that i do regard Memphis as a real threat to our P5 hopes, one of the biggest threats, which is why i don't want good things happening for you.

And no, I am not worried that if Memphis loses to ECU, that could hurt USF (if we beat UCF) by devaluing a win over Memphis in the AAC title game. I have zero doubt that if USF beats UCF and Memphis, USF will surpass Boise in the CFP and get the NY6 bid, no matter if Memphis has lost to ECU or not.

And no, I am not swayed by the fact that P5 expansion is at this point unlikely. I agree it is unlikely. Still, it can happen at any time so we always have to be in the best position possible should it suddenly be on the table.


* Schools like Boise, Colorado State and SDSU are more likely to get a PAC bid than USF, but that's because USF will never in a million years get a PAC bid so that's irrelevant.

One problem with your thought process. In order for USF to win a NY6 bowl every year, they NEED a strong conference slate to play against every year. Would it help if USF went 12-0 and played a Sun Belt-ish type schedule every year? NO. So, while yes, I agree with you, I want USF in the NY6 bowl yearly to look good to other conferences, that simply won't happen without a strong conference schedule. We need UCF and Memphis to win, then defeat them. That gives us the most value and ensures a NY6 bid. They'd say the same thing, I'm sure.

(11-20-2017 01:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  No, it will be completely done if Memphis beats ECU. Even if USF beats UCF, think about that. USF would have ending wins over a ranked UCF and a ranked Memphis, and finish 11-1.

No way in hell Boise would jump USF OR Memphis.

So, the ONLY thing that matters is IF Memphis beats ECU.

We do that, and Boise is out. No way anybody jumps any of the 3 of us.

Does anybody here realistically think ECU will beat Memphis? It could be close for awhile, or maybe not a blowout, but Memphis is winning that game. Too much on the line for us to look ahead. Book it.

I agree the only scenario the American doesn't get the access is if ECU wins and I find that to be highly unlikely. I still don't think USF is ranked though after that dreadful performance on Friday. Guess we shall see though.

That part I agree with. And I think USF is the least likely of the 3 to win the AAC. But as long as Memphis beats ECU, USF will jump Boise if USF wins out.

So, if USF wins Friday, I expect Quo to be front and center pulling for Memphis on Saturday, lol.

My paramount goal is to see USF get in to the P5. This surpasses any other goal, including glory in a particular season. Would rather USF go 0-12 the next three years and then get invited to the ACC then go 12-0 the next three years but then remain stuck in the AAC. And while i don't think results on the field are the only thing, or even major thing, that matter, they do matter. Also, when i think about all the G5 schools that could get a P5 bid over USF, they are all in the AAC*.

So what it boils down to is this: the only time I want the AAC to get the NY6 bid is if it is USF, because I don't want any other AAC school to get that glory and thus look better in the eyes of P5 evaluators.

So no, I am rooting 100% for ECU, because that way, if Memphis wins the AAC, Memphis might not get the NY6 bid. FWIW, you can consider it a sign of respect that i do regard Memphis as a real threat to our P5 hopes, one of the biggest threats, which is why i don't want good things happening for you.

And no, I am not worried that if Memphis loses to ECU, that could hurt USF (if we beat UCF) by devaluing a win over Memphis in the AAC title game. I have zero doubt that if USF beats UCF and Memphis, USF will surpass Boise in the CFP and get the NY6 bid, no matter if Memphis has lost to ECU or not.

And no, I am not swayed by the fact that P5 expansion is at this point unlikely. I agree it is unlikely. Still, it can happen at any time so we always have to be in the best position possible should it suddenly be on the table.


* Schools like Boise, Colorado State and SDSU are more likely to get a PAC bid than USF, but that's because USF will never in a million years get a PAC bid so that's irrelevant.

One problem with your thought process. In order for USF to win a NY6 bowl every year, they NEED a strong conference slate to play against every year. Would it help if USF went 12-0 and played a Sun Belt-ish type schedule every year? NO. So, while yes, I agree with you, I want USF in the NY6 bowl yearly to look good to other conferences, that simply won't happen without a strong conference schedule. We need UCF and Memphis to win, then defeat them. That gives us the most value and ensures a NY6 bid. They'd say the same thing, I'm sure.

I respectfully disagree. ECU is of course in the AAC, so it's not clear why the AAC is stronger if Memphis beats ECU than vice-versa. Mathematically, it's a wash, and beyond that, one could argue that the conference needs ECU to get better more than it needs Memphis to be even better than they already are. But even if there is some "AAC is stronger" benefit to Memphis beating ECU, it is likely trivial. AAC strength is what it is.

So no, IMO we do not need Memphis to beat ECU. If Memphis beating ECU was needed for us to get the NY6 bid, then yes, I'd root for Memphis. But I don't think it is. We beat UCF and Memphis we will get the NY6 bid no matter what.

But, if we don't get the NY6 bid, whether because we lose to UCF or UCF loses to Memphis, then I'd far prefer no other AAC team gets it, and really the only way that can happen is if Memphis loses to ECU and then wins the AAC title.

So ... Go Pirates!

(11-20-2017 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 01:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  I agree the only scenario the American doesn't get the access is if ECU wins and I find that to be highly unlikely. I still don't think USF is ranked though after that dreadful performance on Friday. Guess we shall see though.

That part I agree with. And I think USF is the least likely of the 3 to win the AAC. But as long as Memphis beats ECU, USF will jump Boise if USF wins out.

So, if USF wins Friday, I expect Quo to be front and center pulling for Memphis on Saturday, lol.

My paramount goal is to see USF get in to the P5. This surpasses any other goal, including glory in a particular season. Would rather USF go 0-12 the next three years and then get invited to the ACC then go 12-0 the next three years but then remain stuck in the AAC. And while i don't think results on the field are the only thing, or even major thing, that matter, they do matter. Also, when i think about all the G5 schools that could get a P5 bid over USF, they are all in the AAC*.

So what it boils down to is this: the only time I want the AAC to get the NY6 bid is if it is USF, because I don't want any other AAC school to get that glory and thus look better in the eyes of P5 evaluators.

So no, I am rooting 100% for ECU, because that way, if Memphis wins the AAC, Memphis might not get the NY6 bid. FWIW, you can consider it a sign of respect that i do regard Memphis as a real threat to our P5 hopes, one of the biggest threats, which is why i don't want good things happening for you.

And no, I am not worried that if Memphis loses to ECU, that could hurt USF (if we beat UCF) by devaluing a win over Memphis in the AAC title game. I have zero doubt that if USF beats UCF and Memphis, USF will surpass Boise in the CFP and get the NY6 bid, no matter if Memphis has lost to ECU or not.

And no, I am not swayed by the fact that P5 expansion is at this point unlikely. I agree it is unlikely. Still, it can happen at any time so we always have to be in the best position possible should it suddenly be on the table.


* Schools like Boise, Colorado State and SDSU are more likely to get a PAC bid than USF, but that's because USF will never in a million years get a PAC bid so that's irrelevant.

One problem with your thought process. In order for USF to win a NY6 bowl every year, they NEED a strong conference slate to play against every year. Would it help if USF went 12-0 and played a Sun Belt-ish type schedule every year? NO. So, while yes, I agree with you, I want USF in the NY6 bowl yearly to look good to other conferences, that simply won't happen without a strong conference schedule. We need UCF and Memphis to win, then defeat them. That gives us the most value and ensures a NY6 bid. They'd say the same thing, I'm sure.

I respectfully disagree. ECU is of course in the AAC, so it's not clear why the AAC is stronger if Memphis beats ECU than vice-versa. Mathematically, it's a wash, and beyond that, one could argue that the conference needs ECU to get better more than it needs Memphis to be even better than they already are. But even if there is some "AAC is stronger" benefit to Memphis beating ECU, it is likely trivial. AAC strength is what it is.

So no, IMO we do not need Memphis to beat ECU. If Memphis beating ECU was needed for us to get the NY6 bid, then yes, I'd root for Memphis. But I don't think it is. We beat UCF and Memphis we will get the NY6 bid no matter what.

But, if we don't get the NY6 bid, whether because we lose to UCF or UCF loses to Memphis, then I'd far prefer no other AAC team gets it, and really the only way that can happen is if Memphis loses to ECU and then wins the AAC title.

So ... Go Pirates!

I don't really follow your logic. Any AAC team getting the bid each and every year improves your team's chances of

-getting the bid later
-getting ranked higher (or even initially) next year
-having ranked teams on your schedule next year
-getting more money next year

(11-20-2017 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 01:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  I agree the only scenario the American doesn't get the access is if ECU wins and I find that to be highly unlikely. I still don't think USF is ranked though after that dreadful performance on Friday. Guess we shall see though.

That part I agree with. And I think USF is the least likely of the 3 to win the AAC. But as long as Memphis beats ECU, USF will jump Boise if USF wins out.

So, if USF wins Friday, I expect Quo to be front and center pulling for Memphis on Saturday, lol.

My paramount goal is to see USF get in to the P5. This surpasses any other goal, including glory in a particular season. Would rather USF go 0-12 the next three years and then get invited to the ACC then go 12-0 the next three years but then remain stuck in the AAC. And while i don't think results on the field are the only thing, or even major thing, that matter, they do matter. Also, when i think about all the G5 schools that could get a P5 bid over USF, they are all in the AAC*.

So what it boils down to is this: the only time I want the AAC to get the NY6 bid is if it is USF, because I don't want any other AAC school to get that glory and thus look better in the eyes of P5 evaluators.

So no, I am rooting 100% for ECU, because that way, if Memphis wins the AAC, Memphis might not get the NY6 bid. FWIW, you can consider it a sign of respect that i do regard Memphis as a real threat to our P5 hopes, one of the biggest threats, which is why i don't want good things happening for you.

And no, I am not worried that if Memphis loses to ECU, that could hurt USF (if we beat UCF) by devaluing a win over Memphis in the AAC title game. I have zero doubt that if USF beats UCF and Memphis, USF will surpass Boise in the CFP and get the NY6 bid, no matter if Memphis has lost to ECU or not.

And no, I am not swayed by the fact that P5 expansion is at this point unlikely. I agree it is unlikely. Still, it can happen at any time so we always have to be in the best position possible should it suddenly be on the table.


* Schools like Boise, Colorado State and SDSU are more likely to get a PAC bid than USF, but that's because USF will never in a million years get a PAC bid so that's irrelevant.

One problem with your thought process. In order for USF to win a NY6 bowl every year, they NEED a strong conference slate to play against every year. Would it help if USF went 12-0 and played a Sun Belt-ish type schedule every year? NO. So, while yes, I agree with you, I want USF in the NY6 bowl yearly to look good to other conferences, that simply won't happen without a strong conference schedule. We need UCF and Memphis to win, then defeat them. That gives us the most value and ensures a NY6 bid. They'd say the same thing, I'm sure.

I respectfully disagree. ECU is of course in the AAC, so it's not clear why the AAC is stronger if Memphis beats ECU than vice-versa. Mathematically, it's a wash, and beyond that, one could argue that the conference needs ECU to get better more than it needs Memphis to be even better than they already are. But even if there is some "AAC is stronger" benefit to Memphis beating ECU, it is likely trivial. AAC strength is what it is.

So no, IMO we do not need Memphis to beat ECU. If Memphis beating ECU was needed for us to get the NY6 bid, then yes, I'd root for Memphis. But I don't think it is. We beat UCF and Memphis we will get the NY6 bid no matter what.

But, if we don't get the NY6 bid, whether because we lose to UCF or UCF loses to Memphis, then I'd far prefer no other AAC team gets it, and really the only way that can happen is if Memphis loses to ECU and then wins the AAC title.

So ... Go Pirates!

You logic is flawed...

If you have 5 teams who are ranked and 5 teams that are garbage and you beat them all will considered for the PLAYOFFS in the league.

If you have 10 teams that are average and beat them all you wont sniff the playoff.

(11-20-2017 01:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Any realistic scenario to not get the Access bowl requires ECU winning, and that is just not happening. Don’t even try to trick yourself into believing that blowout of Cincy means anything, we handled BYU pretty good and then had a bye week and Houston beat us like we stole something. At least the nice thing about this upcoming beating is it’s gonna ensure all of us get a check LOL

ECU be like...

(11-20-2017 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 01:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 09:33 AM)PT_american Wrote:  I agree the only scenario the American doesn't get the access is if ECU wins and I find that to be highly unlikely. I still don't think USF is ranked though after that dreadful performance on Friday. Guess we shall see though.

That part I agree with. And I think USF is the least likely of the 3 to win the AAC. But as long as Memphis beats ECU, USF will jump Boise if USF wins out.

So, if USF wins Friday, I expect Quo to be front and center pulling for Memphis on Saturday, lol.

My paramount goal is to see USF get in to the P5. This surpasses any other goal, including glory in a particular season. Would rather USF go 0-12 the next three years and then get invited to the ACC then go 12-0 the next three years but then remain stuck in the AAC. And while i don't think results on the field are the only thing, or even major thing, that matter, they do matter. Also, when i think about all the G5 schools that could get a P5 bid over USF, they are all in the AAC*.

So what it boils down to is this: the only time I want the AAC to get the NY6 bid is if it is USF, because I don't want any other AAC school to get that glory and thus look better in the eyes of P5 evaluators.

So no, I am rooting 100% for ECU, because that way, if Memphis wins the AAC, Memphis might not get the NY6 bid. FWIW, you can consider it a sign of respect that i do regard Memphis as a real threat to our P5 hopes, one of the biggest threats, which is why i don't want good things happening for you.

And no, I am not worried that if Memphis loses to ECU, that could hurt USF (if we beat UCF) by devaluing a win over Memphis in the AAC title game. I have zero doubt that if USF beats UCF and Memphis, USF will surpass Boise in the CFP and get the NY6 bid, no matter if Memphis has lost to ECU or not.

And no, I am not swayed by the fact that P5 expansion is at this point unlikely. I agree it is unlikely. Still, it can happen at any time so we always have to be in the best position possible should it suddenly be on the table.


* Schools like Boise, Colorado State and SDSU are more likely to get a PAC bid than USF, but that's because USF will never in a million years get a PAC bid so that's irrelevant.

One problem with your thought process. In order for USF to win a NY6 bowl every year, they NEED a strong conference slate to play against every year. Would it help if USF went 12-0 and played a Sun Belt-ish type schedule every year? NO. So, while yes, I agree with you, I want USF in the NY6 bowl yearly to look good to other conferences, that simply won't happen without a strong conference schedule. We need UCF and Memphis to win, then defeat them. That gives us the most value and ensures a NY6 bid. They'd say the same thing, I'm sure.

I respectfully disagree. ECU is of course in the AAC, so it's not clear why the AAC is stronger if Memphis beats ECU than vice-versa. Mathematically, it's a wash, and beyond that, one could argue that the conference needs ECU to get better more than it needs Memphis to be even better than they already are. But even if there is some "AAC is stronger" benefit to Memphis beating ECU, it is likely trivial. AAC strength is what it is.

So no, IMO we do not need Memphis to beat ECU. If Memphis beating ECU was needed for us to get the NY6 bid, then yes, I'd root for Memphis. But I don't think it is. We beat UCF and Memphis we will get the NY6 bid no matter what.

But, if we don't get the NY6 bid, whether because we lose to UCF or UCF loses to Memphis, then I'd far prefer no other AAC team gets it, and really the only way that can happen is if Memphis loses to ECU and then wins the AAC title.

So ... Go Pirates!

Now this Gentleman, is what it meant to be in a conference in the "pre-BCS" era. Everyone hates each other. Now you have this absurd love fest that you see here.

Well done Quo. You have brought me back to my early years. I long for those days.

(11-20-2017 05:08 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 01:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Any realistic scenario to not get the Access bowl requires ECU winning, and that is just not happening. Don’t even try to trick yourself into believing that blowout of Cincy means anything, we handled BYU pretty good and then had a bye week and Houston beat us like we stole something. At least the nice thing about this upcoming beating is it’s gonna ensure all of us get a check LOL

ECU be like...

Dolla Dolla Bills!!! $$$

I want Memphis to beat ECU, the conference championship, and the access bowl.

If Memphis loses in the conference champion, I'll pull for the other team to win the access bowl.

(11-22-2017 09:22 AM)TOGC Wrote:  I want Memphis to beat ECU, the conference championship, and the access bowl.

If Memphis loses in the conference champion, I'll pull for the other team to win the access bowl.

I missed you bud!

To answer the OP question: No.

(11-25-2017 02:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  To answer the OP question: No.

Yeah. It's 0% at this point.

No. It's either Memphis or UCF unless a crater swallows up both teams next week.

Where's Fanhood when you need him?

Since UCF already beat Memphis handily, is it really a given that Memphis winning the championship would guarantee them jumping UCF? It’s a reasonable expectation, but if Memphis only wins by 3 points or so, I can see a scenario where the CFP committee keeps UCF in front.

(11-25-2017 03:05 PM)HAL 9100 Wrote:  Since UCF already beat Memphis handily, is it really a given that Memphis winning the championship would guarantee them jumping UCF? It’s a reasonable expectation, but if Memphis only wins by 3 points or so, I can see a scenario where the CFP committee keeps UCF in front.

which wont matter as far as who gets the access bowl.

(11-25-2017 02:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Where's Fanhood when you need him?

Already congratulated both teams in another thread. I have actually been very complimentary to Memphis all season. I just point out insane and myopic comments when I see them.

(11-25-2017 03:05 PM)HAL 9100 Wrote:  Since UCF already beat Memphis handily, is it really a given that Memphis winning the championship would guarantee them jumping UCF? It’s a reasonable expectation, but if Memphis only wins by 3 points or so, I can see a scenario where the CFP committee keeps UCF in front.

If Memphis wins by 1 on a last second Hail Mary, they will pass UCF. It's a championship game. It's for all the marbles.

(11-25-2017 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:05 PM)HAL 9100 Wrote:  Since UCF already beat Memphis handily, is it really a given that Memphis winning the championship would guarantee them jumping UCF? It’s a reasonable expectation, but if Memphis only wins by 3 points or so, I can see a scenario where the CFP committee keeps UCF in front.

which wont matter as far as who gets the access bowl.

Do the rules require you to be a conference champion? I thought it was just the highest ranked school.