(11-23-2017 08:20 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  There are 10 FBS conferences, 5 autonomous conferences and 5 that are not
This means there are two FBS divisions
The autonomous division has a selection Committee to decide 4 teams to play a championship deciding game that has the TV catching names
The other FBS division has no committee and no championship game
Both FBS divisions do have the same number of scholarships
The college football powers to be have a master plan it seems to slowly step by step to create a complete separation or one FBS league or division and I think they are more than 75% to achieving their goal
The final nail in the coffin IMO will be when the autonomous division try’s to change the amount of scholarships the non autonomous FBS conferences get” fewer “
If this dose in fact happen then I would think the best course of action the non autonomous conferences separate from the NCAA and make there own rules , like how many scholarships they want
just say’n

Actually, the final nail will be increasing the number of scholarships for everyone or eliminating the requirement for transfers to sit a year.

Dropped the word either. This would be the real rule that would drop the majority of lower FBS conferences. Depending on the raise of scholarship players, the finances would be too much, even for the majority of AAC teams.

(11-23-2017 08:10 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  There are 10 FBS conferences, 5 autonomous conferences and 5 that are not
This means there are two FBS divisions
The autonomous division has a selection Committee to decide 4 teams to play a championship deciding game that has the TV catching names
The other FBS division has no committee and no championship game
Both FBS divisions do have the same number of scholarships
The college football powers to be have a master plan it seems to slowly step by step to create a complete separation or one FBS league or division and I think they are more than 75% to achieving their goal
The final nail in the coffin IMO will be when the autonomous division try’s to change the amount of scholarships the non autonomous FBS conferences get” fewer “
If this dose in fact happen then I would think the best course of action the non autonomous conferences separate from the NCAA and make there own rules , like how many scholarships they want
just say’n

The autonomous powers of the P5 are limited. I’m pretty sure increasing the number of scholarships requires a full vote of D1 (at a minimum all of FBS).

Like I said before, they will have to take more schools with them. The other schools could kick all of their sports out of the NCAA if they try and break away from the rest. There are still several schools in the G5 that could compete with them for viewerships. When the schools from the WAC joined the MWC? they got millions of viewers. Ever since joining? They are being shown on CBSSports Network and not on ESPN like they used to. You could see who valued G5 schools? ESPN did. MWC should switch to ESPN in the next contract. They would be at least get on more tv sets than they would with CBS sports.

(11-23-2017 09:48 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 09:28 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 08:54 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This bias crap trash is so grossly pathetic

Yet, this system was agreed to by all 10 FBS conferences, even the AAC and other 4 non autonomous conferences (G5). Whether you like it or not, y’all said yes to this system.

Were you at the table when this crappy trash negotiations took place???

No. Were you?

Again, it was agreed to by all parties. Sorry about your damn luck!

I don’t know why all ten conferences voted for the autonomous situation
Why would 5 conference members vote for the other 5 conferences to allow this unfair advantage?
1) was it the TV cable ESPN people that could see making money on a 5 conference model with most all the big football names involved
2) was this new model in mind before the BCS ended and the new realignment started ?

(11-24-2017 01:28 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don’t know why all ten conferences voted for the autonomous situation
Why would 5 conference members vote for the other 5 conferences to allow this unfair advantage?

Because it was the best deal they could get?

(11-24-2017 01:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:28 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don’t know why all ten conferences voted for the autonomous situation
Why would 5 conference members vote for the other 5 conferences to allow this unfair advantage?

Because it was the best deal they could get?

85 million wasn’t chump change. FWIW-ArkStfan has mentioned several times that he was told the 85 million dollar G5 share offer exceeded what the G5 commissioners were prepared to accept. In other words, they would have accepted the CFP terms for less than what they got—so, if that’s true, I would assume the G5 was probably quite pleased with the deal.

(11-23-2017 09:45 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Everything is what it is. We haven't ran into a situation during the playoff era that a G5 team has been left out of anything they deserved. Could UCF be good enough? Possibly. After all of this stuff started on here I watched 4 of their games on youtube. They were bigger and faster than most of their opponents but they aren't as deep as the strong P5 teams. Auburn can go 3 deep on the lines and not really miss a beat from what I saw of UCF they don't have that kind of depth. I certainly think they are capable of playing some good football but I stick by my statements.

1. They don't have the resume. (They just don't period)
2. If a G5 team beats 2 contending P5 teams OOC and then goes undefeated they'll get in over some of the softer resume P5s. Like Washington Last season. Houston would have had a way better resume' and the eye test would have also been in their favor. Problem is they lost 3 regular season games AND lost their bowl game bad. (Yes, I know the coach left, but they still should have competed better)
3. If G5 fans think it's unfair for a G5 team to go on the road and play 2 top P5 teams, then they need to sit back and think about what the P5 teams in the playoff have had to do throughout the season. They would have played a minimum 4 or 5 road games against other P5 teams on the road and won 4 or 5 more P5 games at home. There can't be a double standard.

*** Look at recruiting classes, yes I KNOW some very talented players slip through the cracks, but not almost 70 teams worth.***

The typical P5 team is going to be better by far than the typical G5 team. Yes some TOP G5 teams can easily beat the bottom P5 teams but the Bottom P5 teams easily beat the bottom G5 teams.

I'll use Florida vs UAB as an example.

Sure it's UAB first season back.

They are 5-2 in C-USA and their 2 losses in that conference are by a combined 4 points.

UAB has beaten 3 Bowl teams in their Conference and it could be upwards of 5.

They have won 7 games and are in 2nd in their division based on record they are the 3rd best team in C-USA this season and they lost to 4 win 10th place Florida team by 29 points who has an interim head coach.

Sure you have 1 or 2 teams throughout the season in the G5 that are capable of competing and even winning. That doesn't mean every season the #1 G5 program should be in the playoff over 4 P5 teams that have gone through the grind of a P5 Conference season.

There are going to be upsets sometimes too like Troy over LSU. It happens and I enjoy a HUGE laugh at the expense of LSU fans and their program.

Yes programs like TCU and Boise State during their runs were very very good, but, those are 1 game scenarios. TCU coming off of a BCS win took a few seasons in the Big 12 to be a real contender. As good as they were throughout the season in the lower level conferences they could not compete well during the course of an entire season. Louisville was in a BCS conference for like 9 years before going to the ACC. They were 2nd to UCF (Their ONLY loss and it was by 3) their last season in the Big East/AAC and finished with a 5-3 record in the ACC and a 37-14 loss to Georgia in their bowl game. That season UCF had a special guy playing QB Blake Bortles (Who is still a starter in the NFL) and an awesome RB in Storm Johnson. They didn't destroy them, it was a solid 10 point win and well deserved.

Utah went through the SAME transition period.

1st Season Pac 12- 7-5 (4-5)
2nd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (3-6)
3rd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (2-7)

Did TCU and Utah just magically become avg and then bad teams? You know the answer to that. Sure, they could win in a 1 game scenario. I believe any team could beat anyone on the right day in the right situation. Over the course of a season though, those teams WERE NOT capable of competing for a top 25 ranking much less a chance for a BCS/NY6 day bowl or the National Championship or playoff...

Throw out all of your facts and their are MANY more that can go against you.

No one is taking away from what those teams were able to accomplish. It's just been proven time and time again that the P5 is better. Look at the P5 vs G5 records. Since you apparently keep targeting TOP P5 programs. See what the TOP P5 programs are against the G5.

I think given the chance UCF, Memphis, Boise State and a couple of others would be able to compete in P5 conferences. Not right away though and not for a conference championship. More like what Utah is doing.

The ONLY team I think that could eventually come in and compete for Conference Championships would be Houston but not at the level of say Bama. More at the level of a Texas A&M. They would have their moments 1-2 times every 10-12 years, but would be a solid middle of the pack to 8 win team several other times throughout those years. It's not as easy as you apparently think having to play the schedules we do.

Lastly, do you honestly think as an Auburn fan I enjoy watching Bama hoist SEC and National Championship trophies? I freaking hate it. I would much rather watch UCF or Houston win it all than watch Bama, LSU, or Georgia win it all. I would actually pray for the upset.

While I don’t necessarily agree with all of this, you make some very valid points. +3

On recruiting, depth, and talent—let me say this-

1) G5’s are thinner. So what. They have to stay healthy because there is likely a bigger drop off between thier starter and the backup. But as long as they stay healthy, the depth doesn’t matter. If the Bama’s star QB gets hurt, is the Committee dropping them from #1 to #6. I doubt it. No reason to penalize the G5 for depth as long as they are performing. Avoiding key injuries is just part of having a magical season. Yeah—you have to be good and a little bit lucky in the injury department.

2). Recruited talent—P5’s clearly get better raw “off the rack” talent than G5’s. However, the G5’s often find overlooked diamonds and talent that blooms late. By a recruits Jr year in college, there might not be much difference at all in the P5/G5 starting talent of a G5 team that’s done good job of recruiting and player development. For G5’s, redshirting first year kids is a key. A lot of G5’s can’t always do this, but it gives those undersized 2/3-stars time to develop into kids that look a lot like the 5-stars.

3). On SOS—I think it’s extremely hard for any team to go undefeated. With every passing week the target on your back gets bigger. The pressure become more intense. The fatigue of bringing “week one” focus to week 12 becomes increasingly difficult for 20 year old kids. It’s a pretty rare case where a team that’s undefeated this late in the season isn’t probably top 10 good. For some reason (bias is the only reason I can think of), that appreciation of how difficult a feat being undefeated is has been significantly discounted and dismissed by the Committee when the undefeated team is a G5.

(11-24-2017 02:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:28 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don’t know why all ten conferences voted for the autonomous situation
Why would 5 conference members vote for the other 5 conferences to allow this unfair advantage?

Because it was the best deal they could get?

85 million wasn’t chump change. FWIW-ArkStfan has mentioned several times that he was told the 85 million dollar G5 share offer exceeded what the G5 commissioners were prepared to accept. In other words, they would have accepted the CFP terms for less than what they got—so, if that’s true, I would assume the G5 was probably quite pleased with the deal.

No question, the G5 got a big raise thanks to the CFP. People only whine because of how it compares to what the P5 got.

(11-24-2017 02:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:28 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don’t know why all ten conferences voted for the autonomous situation
Why would 5 conference members vote for the other 5 conferences to allow this unfair advantage?

Because it was the best deal they could get?

85 million wasn’t chump change. FWIW-ArkStfan has mentioned several times that he was told the 85 million dollar G5 share offer exceeded what the G5 commissioners were prepared to accept. In other words, they would have accepted the CFP terms for less than what they got—so, if that’s true, I would assume the G5 was probably quite pleased with the deal.

There are still some more valuable football schools in the G5 that are being groomed for P5 status. They know they can not break away when Boise State's football team is more valuable than say a Kansas Jayhawks' football team. You see Boise State on tv more times than you see Kansas. If the power 5 splits? Boise State, BYU, San Diego State, UNLV, Fresno State, Air Force, Colorado State and New Mexico are some valuable teams for football, basketball and all that. You can say about the same for most of the AAC schools.

(11-23-2017 10:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Like I said before, they will have to take more schools with them. The other schools could kick all of their sports out of the NCAA if they try and break away from the rest. There are still several schools in the G5 that could compete with them for viewerships. When the schools from the WAC joined the MWC? they got millions of viewers. Ever since joining? They are being shown on CBSSports Network and not on ESPN like they used to. You could see who valued G5 schools? ESPN did. MWC should switch to ESPN in the next contract. They would be at least get on more tv sets than they would with CBS sports.

The MWC is on ESPN in addition to CBS Sports Network

http://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameL...hgRktFOmhA

Any other groundbreaking ideas?

(11-24-2017 02:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 09:45 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Everything is what it is. We haven't ran into a situation during the playoff era that a G5 team has been left out of anything they deserved. Could UCF be good enough? Possibly. After all of this stuff started on here I watched 4 of their games on youtube. They were bigger and faster than most of their opponents but they aren't as deep as the strong P5 teams. Auburn can go 3 deep on the lines and not really miss a beat from what I saw of UCF they don't have that kind of depth. I certainly think they are capable of playing some good football but I stick by my statements.

1. They don't have the resume. (They just don't period)
2. If a G5 team beats 2 contending P5 teams OOC and then goes undefeated they'll get in over some of the softer resume P5s. Like Washington Last season. Houston would have had a way better resume' and the eye test would have also been in their favor. Problem is they lost 3 regular season games AND lost their bowl game bad. (Yes, I know the coach left, but they still should have competed better)
3. If G5 fans think it's unfair for a G5 team to go on the road and play 2 top P5 teams, then they need to sit back and think about what the P5 teams in the playoff have had to do throughout the season. They would have played a minimum 4 or 5 road games against other P5 teams on the road and won 4 or 5 more P5 games at home. There can't be a double standard.

*** Look at recruiting classes, yes I KNOW some very talented players slip through the cracks, but not almost 70 teams worth.***

The typical P5 team is going to be better by far than the typical G5 team. Yes some TOP G5 teams can easily beat the bottom P5 teams but the Bottom P5 teams easily beat the bottom G5 teams.

I'll use Florida vs UAB as an example.

Sure it's UAB first season back.

They are 5-2 in C-USA and their 2 losses in that conference are by a combined 4 points.

UAB has beaten 3 Bowl teams in their Conference and it could be upwards of 5.

They have won 7 games and are in 2nd in their division based on record they are the 3rd best team in C-USA this season and they lost to 4 win 10th place Florida team by 29 points who has an interim head coach.

Sure you have 1 or 2 teams throughout the season in the G5 that are capable of competing and even winning. That doesn't mean every season the #1 G5 program should be in the playoff over 4 P5 teams that have gone through the grind of a P5 Conference season.

There are going to be upsets sometimes too like Troy over LSU. It happens and I enjoy a HUGE laugh at the expense of LSU fans and their program.

Yes programs like TCU and Boise State during their runs were very very good, but, those are 1 game scenarios. TCU coming off of a BCS win took a few seasons in the Big 12 to be a real contender. As good as they were throughout the season in the lower level conferences they could not compete well during the course of an entire season. Louisville was in a BCS conference for like 9 years before going to the ACC. They were 2nd to UCF (Their ONLY loss and it was by 3) their last season in the Big East/AAC and finished with a 5-3 record in the ACC and a 37-14 loss to Georgia in their bowl game. That season UCF had a special guy playing QB Blake Bortles (Who is still a starter in the NFL) and an awesome RB in Storm Johnson. They didn't destroy them, it was a solid 10 point win and well deserved.

Utah went through the SAME transition period.

1st Season Pac 12- 7-5 (4-5)
2nd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (3-6)
3rd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (2-7)

Did TCU and Utah just magically become avg and then bad teams? You know the answer to that. Sure, they could win in a 1 game scenario. I believe any team could beat anyone on the right day in the right situation. Over the course of a season though, those teams WERE NOT capable of competing for a top 25 ranking much less a chance for a BCS/NY6 day bowl or the National Championship or playoff...

Throw out all of your facts and their are MANY more that can go against you.

No one is taking away from what those teams were able to accomplish. It's just been proven time and time again that the P5 is better. Look at the P5 vs G5 records. Since you apparently keep targeting TOP P5 programs. See what the TOP P5 programs are against the G5.

I think given the chance UCF, Memphis, Boise State and a couple of others would be able to compete in P5 conferences. Not right away though and not for a conference championship. More like what Utah is doing.

The ONLY team I think that could eventually come in and compete for Conference Championships would be Houston but not at the level of say Bama. More at the level of a Texas A&M. They would have their moments 1-2 times every 10-12 years, but would be a solid middle of the pack to 8 win team several other times throughout those years. It's not as easy as you apparently think having to play the schedules we do.

Lastly, do you honestly think as an Auburn fan I enjoy watching Bama hoist SEC and National Championship trophies? I freaking hate it. I would much rather watch UCF or Houston win it all than watch Bama, LSU, or Georgia win it all. I would actually pray for the upset.

While I don’t necessarily agree with all of this, you make some very valid points. +3

On recruiting, depth, and talent—let me say this-

1) G5’s are thinner. So what. They have to stay healthy because there is likely a bigger drop off between thier starter and the backup. But as long as they stay healthy, the depth doesn’t matter. If the Bama’s star QB gets hurt, is the Committee dropping them from #1 to #6. I doubt it. No reason to penalize the G5 for depth as long as they are performing. Avoiding key injuries is just part of having a magical season. Yeah—you have to be good and a little bit lucky in the injury department.

2). Recruited talent—P5’s clearly get better raw “off the rack” talent than G5’s. However, the G5’s often find overlooked diamonds and talent that blooms late. By a recruits Jr year in college, there might not be much difference at all in the P5/G5 starting talent of a G5 team that’s done good job of recruiting and player development. For G5’s, redshirting first year kids is a key. A lot of G5’s can’t always do this, but it gives those undersized 2/3-stars time to develop into kids that look a lot like the 5-stars.

3). On SOS—I think it’s extremely hard for any team to go undefeated. With every passing week the target on your back gets bigger. The pressure become more intense. The fatigue of bringing “week one” focus to week 12 becomes increasingly difficult for 20 year old kids. It’s a pretty rare case where a team that’s undefeated this late in the season isn’t probably top 10 good. For some reason (bias is the only reason I can think of), that appreciation of how difficult a feat being undefeated is has been significantly discounted and dismissed by the Committee when the undefeated team is a G5.

I 100% agree that there are several 1st String's throughout College Football than compete with each other regardless of Conference status. The biggest disparity is in the depth. When you start going through looking at the 2 deep and 3 and even 4 that's the biggest difference. I'm not saying for all P5 schools but the upper echelon of programs.

I know how hard it is to go undefeated. It's rare, only 1 or 2 programs each season achieve it, sometimes none do. I appreciate those seasons regardless of team or status. I think a top 10 ranking will be in order if UCF handles business against USF today and Memphis in the Championship game. It's just as of today, they haven't really shown they should be and it's mostly due to the SoS at 90. If they were undefeated against say the #40 SoS they would probably be in the top 10 already.

Again, I say "I think" because I don't know but no one really knows. Hell, the committee probably doesn't even know. I am confident that one day we will run into that situation and we will see what the answer is. Until then though we can enjoy or hate speculation and good conversations between each other as fans of the game.

I will be watching the USF vs UCF game today and I will enjoy it as a College Football fan. I see the balance UCF has and I see the Offense USF has. I think it'll be a very entertaining game and I think we're all in for a treat when it's Conference Championship week. That's the best week in College Football until we get to bowl season.

It's hard to make the playoffs period. No SEC team has even had a sniff due to the Saban Led Crimson Tide. I'm a little bitter but respect what he's done. Hopefully we knock them off their perch tomorrow.

Goodluck the rest of the season :).

(11-24-2017 11:17 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 09:45 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Everything is what it is. We haven't ran into a situation during the playoff era that a G5 team has been left out of anything they deserved. Could UCF be good enough? Possibly. After all of this stuff started on here I watched 4 of their games on youtube. They were bigger and faster than most of their opponents but they aren't as deep as the strong P5 teams. Auburn can go 3 deep on the lines and not really miss a beat from what I saw of UCF they don't have that kind of depth. I certainly think they are capable of playing some good football but I stick by my statements.

1. They don't have the resume. (They just don't period)
2. If a G5 team beats 2 contending P5 teams OOC and then goes undefeated they'll get in over some of the softer resume P5s. Like Washington Last season. Houston would have had a way better resume' and the eye test would have also been in their favor. Problem is they lost 3 regular season games AND lost their bowl game bad. (Yes, I know the coach left, but they still should have competed better)
3. If G5 fans think it's unfair for a G5 team to go on the road and play 2 top P5 teams, then they need to sit back and think about what the P5 teams in the playoff have had to do throughout the season. They would have played a minimum 4 or 5 road games against other P5 teams on the road and won 4 or 5 more P5 games at home. There can't be a double standard.

*** Look at recruiting classes, yes I KNOW some very talented players slip through the cracks, but not almost 70 teams worth.***

The typical P5 team is going to be better by far than the typical G5 team. Yes some TOP G5 teams can easily beat the bottom P5 teams but the Bottom P5 teams easily beat the bottom G5 teams.

I'll use Florida vs UAB as an example.

Sure it's UAB first season back.

They are 5-2 in C-USA and their 2 losses in that conference are by a combined 4 points.

UAB has beaten 3 Bowl teams in their Conference and it could be upwards of 5.

They have won 7 games and are in 2nd in their division based on record they are the 3rd best team in C-USA this season and they lost to 4 win 10th place Florida team by 29 points who has an interim head coach.

Sure you have 1 or 2 teams throughout the season in the G5 that are capable of competing and even winning. That doesn't mean every season the #1 G5 program should be in the playoff over 4 P5 teams that have gone through the grind of a P5 Conference season.

There are going to be upsets sometimes too like Troy over LSU. It happens and I enjoy a HUGE laugh at the expense of LSU fans and their program.

Yes programs like TCU and Boise State during their runs were very very good, but, those are 1 game scenarios. TCU coming off of a BCS win took a few seasons in the Big 12 to be a real contender. As good as they were throughout the season in the lower level conferences they could not compete well during the course of an entire season. Louisville was in a BCS conference for like 9 years before going to the ACC. They were 2nd to UCF (Their ONLY loss and it was by 3) their last season in the Big East/AAC and finished with a 5-3 record in the ACC and a 37-14 loss to Georgia in their bowl game. That season UCF had a special guy playing QB Blake Bortles (Who is still a starter in the NFL) and an awesome RB in Storm Johnson. They didn't destroy them, it was a solid 10 point win and well deserved.

Utah went through the SAME transition period.

1st Season Pac 12- 7-5 (4-5)
2nd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (3-6)
3rd Season Pac 12- 5-7 (2-7)

Did TCU and Utah just magically become avg and then bad teams? You know the answer to that. Sure, they could win in a 1 game scenario. I believe any team could beat anyone on the right day in the right situation. Over the course of a season though, those teams WERE NOT capable of competing for a top 25 ranking much less a chance for a BCS/NY6 day bowl or the National Championship or playoff...

Throw out all of your facts and their are MANY more that can go against you.

No one is taking away from what those teams were able to accomplish. It's just been proven time and time again that the P5 is better. Look at the P5 vs G5 records. Since you apparently keep targeting TOP P5 programs. See what the TOP P5 programs are against the G5.

I think given the chance UCF, Memphis, Boise State and a couple of others would be able to compete in P5 conferences. Not right away though and not for a conference championship. More like what Utah is doing.

The ONLY team I think that could eventually come in and compete for Conference Championships would be Houston but not at the level of say Bama. More at the level of a Texas A&M. They would have their moments 1-2 times every 10-12 years, but would be a solid middle of the pack to 8 win team several other times throughout those years. It's not as easy as you apparently think having to play the schedules we do.

Lastly, do you honestly think as an Auburn fan I enjoy watching Bama hoist SEC and National Championship trophies? I freaking hate it. I would much rather watch UCF or Houston win it all than watch Bama, LSU, or Georgia win it all. I would actually pray for the upset.

While I don’t necessarily agree with all of this, you make some very valid points. +3

On recruiting, depth, and talent—let me say this-

1) G5’s are thinner. So what. They have to stay healthy because there is likely a bigger drop off between thier starter and the backup. But as long as they stay healthy, the depth doesn’t matter. If the Bama’s star QB gets hurt, is the Committee dropping them from #1 to #6. I doubt it. No reason to penalize the G5 for depth as long as they are performing. Avoiding key injuries is just part of having a magical season. Yeah—you have to be good and a little bit lucky in the injury department.

2). Recruited talent—P5’s clearly get better raw “off the rack” talent than G5’s. However, the G5’s often find overlooked diamonds and talent that blooms late. By a recruits Jr year in college, there might not be much difference at all in the P5/G5 starting talent of a G5 team that’s done good job of recruiting and player development. For G5’s, redshirting first year kids is a key. A lot of G5’s can’t always do this, but it gives those undersized 2/3-stars time to develop into kids that look a lot like the 5-stars.

3). On SOS—I think it’s extremely hard for any team to go undefeated. With every passing week the target on your back gets bigger. The pressure become more intense. The fatigue of bringing “week one” focus to week 12 becomes increasingly difficult for 20 year old kids. It’s a pretty rare case where a team that’s undefeated this late in the season isn’t probably top 10 good. For some reason (bias is the only reason I can think of), that appreciation of how difficult a feat being undefeated is has been significantly discounted and dismissed by the Committee when the undefeated team is a G5.

I 100% agree that there are several 1st String's throughout College Football than compete with each other regardless of Conference status. The biggest disparity is in the depth. When you start going through looking at the 2 deep and 3 and even 4 that's the biggest difference. I'm not saying for all P5 schools but the upper echelon of programs.

I know how hard it is to go undefeated. It's rare, only 1 or 2 programs each season achieve it, sometimes none do. I appreciate those seasons regardless of team or status. I think a top 10 ranking will be in order if UCF handles business against USF today and Memphis in the Championship game. It's just as of today, they haven't really shown they should be and it's mostly due to the SoS at 90. If they were undefeated against say the #40 SoS they would probably be in the top 10 already.

Again, I say "I think" because I don't know but no one really knows. Hell, the committee probably doesn't even know. I am confident that one day we will run into that situation and we will see what the answer is. Until then though we can enjoy or hate speculation and good conversations between each other as fans of the game.

I will be watching the USF vs UCF game today and I will enjoy it as a College Football fan. I see the balance UCF has and I see the Offense USF has. I think it'll be a very entertaining game and I think we're all in for a treat when it's Conference Championship week. That's the best week in College Football until we get to bowl season.

It's hard to make the playoffs period. No SEC team has even had a sniff due to the Saban Led Crimson Tide. I'm a little bitter but respect what he's done. Hopefully we knock them off their perch tomorrow.

Goodluck the rest of the season :).

Will be rooting for you to take care of business. I have the most obnoxious Bama fan friend. Somebody needs to stop them, I think you all have the best shot.

(11-22-2017 11:57 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You can't cherry pick the polls that agreed with the CFP, you have to use all the polls otherwise you're throwing out useful data and skewing the results.

Using the entire Massey Composite, we see that yes, the CFP has ranked the G5 champ lower:

2014: Boise ....... 20 M .... 22 CFP
2015: Houston ... 14 M .... 18 CFP
2016: WMU ....... 12 M .... 15 CFP

So yes, there is a gap, but the average is 3 positions. Which given the structure of the playoffs means ... zero. Correcting for a one-tailed interval of -3 doesn't put any past G5 champ in the playoffs, and it wouldn't put UCF in this year either.

And MC isn't always correct. E.g., last year, the CFP had Clemson #2, Massey had Clemson #4, and Clemson won the title, vindicating the CFP. Heck, Massey Composite still had Clemson ranked behind Alabama even after Clemson beat Alabama to win the title.

So we can't necessarily presume that MC is the Word of God. It is unbiased, but unbiased doesn't necessarily mean correct.

It doesn't matter if they are correct. The point was that the criteria be applied fairly and equally. A 1-loss Houston beat a #9. You and I both know this committee would never put a G5 1-loss team in the top 10. That's bias.

The problem with the committee is simple. With regard to the G5, they dismiss them out of hand and spend little time discussing them because the committee is of the single opinion that they really cant possibly field a top 10 team. Its basically like an investigation that eliminates suspects before they look at the evidence.

Honestly, is there anyone that actually doesn't think UCF would probably beat about half the current top 10? When Miss St passed up UCF, that was the committee finally jumping the shark for me. That team has been about as unimpressive as a team can be this year and I have zero doubt UCF would clean their clock.

Three things stand out for me here.

1) While Aresco's P6 campaign hasn't had an impact on the real world, sadly, it does seem to have influenced AAC fans on these boards. I keep explaining that even in an "unbiased" system like MC, there is no way UCF will make the top four and the playoffs, so it really doesn't matter if they are #10 or #12 or #15.

So what explains all the whining? Seems like many of these AAC fans are shocked to realize that despite the P6 yard markers and helmet stickers and Aresco tweets, the CFP obviously is treating the AAC best teams like the hired help, not like one of the invited guests. AAC teams are getting treated like the G5 they are.

This is surprising to nobody in the real world, but i guess it is shocking to those who live in Aresco World.

2) There is a strong stench of hypocrisy. E.g., recall several threads where AAC fans boasted of an "AAC premium" compared to other G5 in the CFP. Many claimed that the AAC is so well-respected by the CFP that an AAC champ with one or even two losses would be viewed as superior to other G5 champs that were undefeated. And yet ... these same AAC fans who bitterly complain about "bias" against the AAC compared to the P5 were boasting and happy about the alleged CFP bias in favor of the AAC vs the other G5.

3) I thought of the current top 10 teams and can't think of even one I'd expect UCF to beat. Which ones do you think they'd beat?

Alabama?
Miami?
Clemson?
Wisconsin?
Oklahoma?
Auburn?
Notre Dame?
Ohio State?
Georgia?
Penn State? .... Hmmmmm ... just maybe.

Remember, UCF has beaten nobody but other AAC teams plus an FCS team, an FIU team that is 6th in C-USA, and a 4-7 Maryland team in last place in their B1G division, behind even Rutgers. Don't be bedazzled by 100 point wins vs awful teams.

In reply--

1) Im one that has maintained pretty much for the last 2 years that a G5 does not have any way to make the play off and that Houston would not have been in last year had they run the table. I was unsure on the topic the first couple of years, then if became clear that G5's are not even allowed in the top ten. My guess is that "top 10" ranking is reserved for a 2016 Houston type that runs the table. A top 4 finish is impossible with the current structure of the committee.

2) No hypocrisy. I can easily see that it is reasonably plausible that some one-loss P5 teams SHOULD be in front of an undefeated G5. I see the silliness of 2, 3, and 4 loss P5's in front of an undefeated G5. I figured the AAC would at least get a 1-game deference vs the other G5's (and they largely have).

3) Really? Seriously? You "lol" at the prospect of UCF beating Notre Dame? That would be the same Notre Dame that barely squeaked by Navy just last week at home (same Navy UCF destroyed?)? I think UCF would prison rape that slow Wisconsin team. Oklahoma....didnt they get crushed by a 4-loss mid-pack AAC team just last year? Dont see Penn State as all that. So, yeah, that's nearly half Id flat out expect them beat. Plus, Id give them a punchers chance against all the rest but Bama. Your as blinded by a brand name as the committe. At some point you need to understand that the name on the jersey is just a name. Like mutual funds, past performance may not be a guarantee of future performance.

Im completely willing to concede they may not be a top 4 team (probably are not), but I know they are a top 10 team.

Point 3.

That's funny. Not in a clever or humorous sort of way, but in a delusional one.

There isn't a top 10 team that wouldn't haul off and beotch slap UCF. That "slow" Wisconsin team would have no fear of getting "prison raped" because they'd punch them in the face and leave them for dead LONG before that would happen. ND & OU would stomp a mudhole in them and PSU & Bama would be playing the second string before the end of the third quarter.

You can yip like a Chihuahua all you like, but the TRUTH is that the top ten teams would fear UCF about as much as a windshield fears the bug.

I was wondering why this guy was so active with 10 posts in today’s UCF thread.

If UCF had been ranked in the top 10 to start the year, would they have dropped out of the top 10 despite not losing, based on their schedule and margins of victory?

(01-02-2018 03:14 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:57 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It doesn't matter if they are correct. The point was that the criteria be applied fairly and equally. A 1-loss Houston beat a #9. You and I both know this committee would never put a G5 1-loss team in the top 10. That's bias.

The problem with the committee is simple. With regard to the G5, they dismiss them out of hand and spend little time discussing them because the committee is of the single opinion that they really cant possibly field a top 10 team. Its basically like an investigation that eliminates suspects before they look at the evidence.

Honestly, is there anyone that actually doesn't think UCF would probably beat about half the current top 10? When Miss St passed up UCF, that was the committee finally jumping the shark for me. That team has been about as unimpressive as a team can be this year and I have zero doubt UCF would clean their clock.

Three things stand out for me here.

1) While Aresco's P6 campaign hasn't had an impact on the real world, sadly, it does seem to have influenced AAC fans on these boards. I keep explaining that even in an "unbiased" system like MC, there is no way UCF will make the top four and the playoffs, so it really doesn't matter if they are #10 or #12 or #15.

So what explains all the whining? Seems like many of these AAC fans are shocked to realize that despite the P6 yard markers and helmet stickers and Aresco tweets, the CFP obviously is treating the AAC best teams like the hired help, not like one of the invited guests. AAC teams are getting treated like the G5 they are.

This is surprising to nobody in the real world, but i guess it is shocking to those who live in Aresco World.

2) There is a strong stench of hypocrisy. E.g., recall several threads where AAC fans boasted of an "AAC premium" compared to other G5 in the CFP. Many claimed that the AAC is so well-respected by the CFP that an AAC champ with one or even two losses would be viewed as superior to other G5 champs that were undefeated. And yet ... these same AAC fans who bitterly complain about "bias" against the AAC compared to the P5 were boasting and happy about the alleged CFP bias in favor of the AAC vs the other G5.

3) I thought of the current top 10 teams and can't think of even one I'd expect UCF to beat. Which ones do you think they'd beat?

Alabama?
Miami?
Clemson?
Wisconsin?
Oklahoma?
Auburn?
Notre Dame?
Ohio State?
Georgia?
Penn State? .... Hmmmmm ... just maybe.

Remember, UCF has beaten nobody but other AAC teams plus an FCS team, an FIU team that is 6th in C-USA, and a 4-7 Maryland team in last place in their B1G division, behind even Rutgers. Don't be bedazzled by 100 point wins vs awful teams.

In reply--

1) Im one that has maintained pretty much for the last 2 years that a G5 does not have any way to make the play off and that Houston would not have been in last year had they run the table. I was unsure on the topic the first couple of years, then if became clear that G5's are not even allowed in the top ten. My guess is that "top 10" ranking is reserved for a 2016 Houston type that runs the table. A top 4 finish is impossible with the current structure of the committee.

2) No hypocrisy. I can easily see that it is reasonably plausible that some one-loss P5 teams SHOULD be in front of an undefeated G5. I see the silliness of 2, 3, and 4 loss P5's in front of an undefeated G5. I figured the AAC would at least get a 1-game deference vs the other G5's (and they largely have).

3) Really? Seriously? You "lol" at the prospect of UCF beating Notre Dame? That would be the same Notre Dame that barely squeaked by Navy just last week at home (same Navy UCF destroyed?)? I think UCF would prison rape that slow Wisconsin team. Oklahoma....didnt they get crushed by a 4-loss mid-pack AAC team just last year? Dont see Penn State as all that. So, yeah, that's nearly half Id flat out expect them beat. Plus, Id give them a punchers chance against all the rest but Bama. Your as blinded by a brand name as the committe. At some point you need to understand that the name on the jersey is just a name. Like mutual funds, past performance may not be a guarantee of future performance.

Im completely willing to concede they may not be a top 4 team (probably are not), but I know they are a top 10 team.

Point 3.

That's funny. Not in a clever or humorous sort of way, but in a delusional one.

There isn't a top 10 team that wouldn't haul off and beotch slap UCF. That "slow" Wisconsin team would have no fear of getting "prison raped" because they'd punch them in the face and leave them for dead LONG before that would happen. ND & OU would stomp a mudhole in them and PSU & Bama would be playing the second string before the end of the third quarter.

You can yip like a Chihuahua all you like, but the TRUTH is that the top ten teams would fear UCF about as much as a windshield fears the bug.

I was wondering why this guy was so active with 10 posts in today’s UCF thread.

What a tool, a know it all tool.

That was one hell of a bug.