Penn State OC Joe Moorhead hired at Mississippi State. He has a very impressive resume but has never played or coached anywhere south of Akron, he'll need some good assistants for recruiting but if he gets them he could keep up the Mullen momentum.

(11-28-2017 11:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Penn State OC Joe Moorhead hired at Mississippi State. He has a very impressive resume but has never played or coached anywhere south of Akron, he'll need some good assistants for recruiting but if he gets them he could keep up the Mullen momentum.

Miss State did it systematically, quickly, and without drama. They were anticipating Mullen leaving for Florida.
They interviewed several in Atlanta.

Agree, with the right assistants/coordinators, he can make connections fairly fast throughout the state and region for recruitment purposes. He'll get the help.

Fisher was OC at LSU for 7 years. He knows the SEC west very well. If he is truly interested in A&M, I don't see the division being an obstacle. He was approached by LSU last year. With his history there, I would think that would be the job to pry him out of Tallahassee.

(11-28-2017 11:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Penn State OC Joe Moorhead hired at Mississippi State. He has a very impressive resume but has never played or coached anywhere south of Akron, he'll need some good assistants for recruiting but if he gets them he could keep up the Mullen momentum.

Outside of Texas, where they tend to be overly cliquish towards folks with Texas ties, recruiting is about your ability to reach people. If you can recruit in one area of the country you can recruit elsewhere.

Maybe 20 years ago it would be a detriment but with every game on TV and the WWW at your fingertips I highly doubt he's going to walk into a high school in south Mississippi and people not know who he is and what he's done.

(11-29-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 11:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Penn State OC Joe Moorhead hired at Mississippi State. He has a very impressive resume but has never played or coached anywhere south of Akron, he'll need some good assistants for recruiting but if he gets them he could keep up the Mullen momentum.

Outside of Texas, where they tend to be overly cliquish towards folks with Texas ties, recruiting is about your ability to reach people. If you can recruit in one area of the country you can recruit elsewhere.

Maybe 20 years ago it would be a detriment but with every game on TV and the WWW at your fingertips I highly doubt he's going to walk into a high school in south Mississippi and people not know who he is and what he's done.

That has little to do with recruiting the Southeast. In the Southeast it's the High School connections that start the recruiting process. How many of those coaches came from your program? How many have ties to and hopes of one day working for the school/s that recruit through them? How well do you know the other recruiters working the area? How insulated are you from being accountable for minor rule bending, meaning do you have as much on your opponents, or more, than they have on you?

Coaches from the outside whose ties haven't been established to the schools might get a player or two but their overall success level probably won't be established for 5 years and in coaching that might as well be a lifetime.

So no, coming in from outside of the region is not going to be a level playing field. But what a coach like Morehead should rely upon would be hiring some assistants and coordinators that are familiar with the area and do have established ties.

However in this case it is going to be important to hire most of those from outside of the Mississippi State network. Why? Miss State was instrumental in taking down Ole Miss. Mullen was smart to leave this year because it is going to get deuce ugly in Mississippi for awhile now. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the Ole Miss operatives go after him at Florida. But new faces, and clean hands with regards to turning evidence against Ole Miss could go a long way to easing the tension between Ole Miss and Miss State. It won't eliminate the hostility, but it will eliminate most of those who had a direct hand in it. The fans will stay hostile, but the animus between staffs will be greatly lessened.

This is exactly why Chip Kelly to Florida made no sense. If the newbie does anything wrong they get nailed right away. It is why Fisher and Swinney are effective. They've both worked on enough staffs in the Southeast and know enough for others to leave them alone unless the really step way over the line, which neither have. But recruiting the Southeast has nothing to do with WWW and TV and everything to do with what you know and who you know, and what you know about who. Atlanta and Florida are a little different because there are enough external cultural influences to lessen it a tad, but just a tad. Recruiting Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana is almost a closed system. A player or two might get poached from the outside, but the bulk are staying within the region and those high school connections are still the key. The same is true in Texas for the most part.

Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is official. Purdue is now on the clock.

Horrible break for Purdue. Went to a game there this year and that fan base was reinvigorated. They were worshipping Brohm.

(11-29-2017 12:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 11:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 11:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Penn State OC Joe Moorhead hired at Mississippi State. He has a very impressive resume but has never played or coached anywhere south of Akron, he'll need some good assistants for recruiting but if he gets them he could keep up the Mullen momentum.

Outside of Texas, where they tend to be overly cliquish towards folks with Texas ties, recruiting is about your ability to reach people. If you can recruit in one area of the country you can recruit elsewhere.

Maybe 20 years ago it would be a detriment but with every game on TV and the WWW at your fingertips I highly doubt he's going to walk into a high school in south Mississippi and people not know who he is and what he's done.

That has little to do with recruiting the Southeast. In the Southeast it's the High School connections that start the recruiting process. How many of those coaches came from your program? How many have ties to and hopes of one day working for the school/s that recruit through them? How well do you know the other recruiters working the area? How insulated are you from being accountable for minor rule bending, meaning do you have as much on your opponents, or more, than they have on you?

Coaches from the outside whose ties haven't been established to the schools might get a player or two but their overall success level probably won't be established for 5 years and in coaching that might as well be a lifetime.

So no, coming in from outside of the region is not going to be a level playing field. But what a coach like Morehead should rely upon would be hiring some assistants and coordinators that are familiar with the area and do have established ties.

However in this case it is going to be important to hire most of those from outside of the Mississippi State network. Why? Miss State was instrumental in taking down Ole Miss. Mullen was smart to leave this year because it is going to get deuce ugly in Mississippi for awhile now. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the Ole Miss operatives go after him at Florida. But new faces, and clean hands with regards to turning evidence against Ole Miss could go a long way to easing the tension between Ole Miss and Miss State. It won't eliminate the hostility, but it will eliminate most of those who had a direct hand in it. The fans will stay hostile, but the animus between staffs will be greatly lessened.

This is exactly why Chip Kelly to Florida made no sense. If the newbie does anything wrong they get nailed right away. It is why Fisher and Swinney are effective. They've both worked on enough staffs in the Southeast and know enough for others to leave them alone unless the really step way over the line, which neither have. But recruiting the Southeast has nothing to do with WWW and TV and everything to do with what you know and who you know, and what you know about who. Atlanta and Florida are a little different because there are enough external cultural influences to lessen it a tad, but just a tad. Recruiting Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana is almost a closed system. A player or two might get poached from the outside, but the bulk are staying within the region and those high school connections are still the key. The same is true in Texas for the most part.

I've been involved in the recruiting process from the high school side of things. Existing ties aren't anywhere near as big of a deal as people make it out to be. He and his staff are coaching one of the two P5 programs in the state of Mississippi. That's all the ties he's going to need to get in the door there in Mississippi and likely the surrounding states. There isn't going to be a high school coach within driving distance of Starkvegas who isn't going to know who he is because of where he works. The good ones are going to do their homework and talk to colleagues who have dealt with him before to get a feel about him (high school coaches these days network nationally just like everybody else) and as soon as word gets out about his first school visit that coach is going to get bombarded with phone calls to see what the deal is.

Recruiting isn't about ties (unless in Texas as mentioned above) it's about personal relationships. If you can build a personal relationship with a high school coach in Altoona, Pa you can do the same with a high school coach in Olive Branch, Ms. The job position gets you in the door, what happens next is up to you regardless of what kind of ties you have.

(11-29-2017 01:20 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Horrible break for Purdue. Went to a game there this year and that fan base was reinvigorated. They were worshipping Brohm.

Sumlin to Purdue makes too much sense now. They will be just fine.

(11-29-2017 01:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is official. Purdue is now on the clock.

That's the word from Louisville talk sights. He is a keeper coach.

(11-29-2017 01:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is official. Purdue is now on the clock.

The AD at Purdue? None other than Mike Bobinski.

How damning is it of Bobinski that his guy said, yeah, I'd rather walk to my own execution in Knoxville and get a bag of money for it than stick around here?

Bad news Purdue fans: Mike Bobinski is about to hire somebody important in your athletic program. My sincere condolences.

(11-29-2017 02:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 01:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is official. Purdue is now on the clock.

The AD at Purdue? None other than Mike Bobinski.

How damning is it of Bobinski that his guy said, yeah, I'd rather walk to my own execution in Knoxville and get a bag of money for it than stick around here?

Bad news Purdue fans: Mike Bobinski is about to hire somebody important in your athletic program. My sincere condolences.

There have been refutations for the Knoxville radio station's announcement of this deal. I'm not sure it is set in stone yet.

Per various sources all over the place now the UTK Chancellor didn't agree to the "gentleman's agreement" and so when UTK when back to Brohm with less he said no. Now they're looking elsewhere AGAIN, allegedly Doeren at NC State.

I was so looking forward to a full on meltdown hiring by Bobinski.

Pretty soon the Vols are going to be down to hiring Lennay Kekua.

(11-29-2017 05:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Per various sources all over the place now the UTK Chancellor didn't agree to the "gentleman's agreement" and so when UTK when back to Brohm with less he said no. Now they're looking elsewhere AGAIN, allegedly Doeren at NC State.

I was so looking forward to a full on meltdown hiring by Bobinski.

Didn't Bobinski hire Brohm?

(11-29-2017 05:40 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 05:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Per various sources all over the place now the UTK Chancellor didn't agree to the "gentleman's agreement" and so when UTK when back to Brohm with less he said no. Now they're looking elsewhere AGAIN, allegedly Doeren at NC State.

I was so looking forward to a full on meltdown hiring by Bobinski.

Didn't Bobinski hire Brohm?

Yep. And look how much Brohm thinks of what Bobinski is up to. At Georgia Tech some of Bobinski's great ideas:

- Firing most of the football recruiting assistants and slashing the recruiting budget, running a skeleton crew literally 1/4 the size of most the rest of the ACC
- Being silent and invisible in the media, aside from bizarrely fielding soft balls once a month on the **UGA** flagship radio station. This earned him the nickname Bobinsquatch from me, and I think that caught on. Why Bobinsquatch? You hear tales of its existence, but rarely see it.
- Extended Brian Gregory's contract only to fire him the very next year, costing Georgia Tech millions
- Played hardball with Paul Johnson's contract during the season ... only for PJ to go on a tear and beat UGAg and once again cost Georgia Tech millions
- Chased off most of the top talent in the GTAA who found the situation, and I quote the AJC here, "hopeless".

Mike Bobinski is a total unmitigated cluster**** unworthy of being athletic director at the D1 level. His pedigree is Xavier. XAVIER. Xavier doesn't even have a damn football program. He's a toxic carpetbagger devoid of leadership, devoid of vision, devoid of media savvy, devoid of even basic cost/benefit analysis, and I'm glad to see him several states away now. He is the Lane Kiffin of AD's: perpetually failing forward with gross incompetence. Difference being Lane Kiffin has at least SOME talent and at least APPEARS to have learned a little bit from his mistakes. Bobinsquatch has shown neither.




http://www.myajc.com/sports/college/geor...6l6fyJ5XK/

Quote:To understand the dysfunction that existed in the Georgia Tech athletic department, thanks largely to the departing Mike Bobinski, consider the clown show that has surrounded planning for the football team’s season opener in Ireland.
Bobinski’s soldiers in the Tech administration originally cut a deal that the Jackets would travel to Dublin, not by a major airline like Delta or (title sponsor) Aer Lingus, but Omni Air, a low-budget carrier that made its mark in transporting cargo and more recently focused on military charter flights to garden spots like Afghanistan.

The plane that Omni was going to provide for an eight-hour flight from Atlanta to Dublin for Tech’s players, coaches, marching band members and cheerleaders did not have WiFi, in-flight entertainment or anything in the way of amenities. The plane also included several rows of seats where the armrests didn’t go up, which can be a major problem for 300-plus pound linemen, and at the time of a recent visit reportedly smelled like a garbage dumpster.

“A tin can,” is how one Tech source described it.

The travel arrangements incensed coach Paul Johnson, as if the man needs a good reason to get upset. He had been frustrated in the past about other nickel-and-dime actions of the administration and he understandably wanted the Ireland experience to be special for his players. He had been venting his feelings to administrators since January. It all came to a head with a blowup last week that finally resulted in Bobinski and others stepping in to rectify the situation. The Jackets will now fly on a real plane.

Bobinski is gone now. Mercifully.

That's a newspaper rippin' into Bobinski that hard. A ... newspaper. A newspaper that doesn't even like Georgia Tech that much.

^ Sounds pretty awful, but he's a step or two behind Brad Bates and his reign of derp at Miami. Of course that's relative to the school, the stakes are a lot higher at GT.

(11-29-2017 05:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Pretty soon the Vols are going to be down to hiring Lennay Kekua.

Maybe this guy is still available.

https://deadspin.com/man-applies-for-und...1481626884

(11-29-2017 06:38 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 05:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Pretty soon the Vols are going to be down to hiring Lennay Kekua.

Maybe this guy is still available.

https://deadspin.com/man-applies-for-und...1481626884

Lennay will hire that dude as her offensive coordinator.

https://247sports.com/college/arizona-st...-111389097

Herm Edwards expected to take ASU job pending Crow approval
The Sun Devils are getting closer to hiring the former eight-year NFL head coach and current ESPN analyst to lead their program.

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https://247sports.com/college/arizona-st...-111389097

Herm Edwards expected to take ASU job pending Crow approval
The Sun Devils are getting closer to hiring the former eight-year NFL head coach and current ESPN analyst to lead their program.
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If Herm does become the ASU HC, I hope John Currie sends the ASU AD a nice muffin basket to thank him for making the worst coaching move of the year.