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RE: RIP Mike Slive
(05-18-2018 12:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-17-2018 11:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-17-2018 10:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-17-2018 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-17-2018 07:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mean, I'm sorry to see the man pass, I truly am. But none of us are above criticism, even just after we pass.

I will say that the guy could have made the comment a little later or in another thread. He didn't have to derail the thread.

Time and place C2! When Kennedy was shot it was not a time to talk about his extra marital affairs. When any ex president dies, including Nixon you talk about him in a positive light even though Watergate is mentioned. When someone passes for no other reason than the sake of the bereaved you say the things that are positive and true and leave the rest of the story for the biography writers. The time to reflect critically is after everyone gets over their shock or the grief. Otherwise it is a total break from decorum. It's part of being civilized. Every life has good and bad in it. Therefore a great funeral is one that asks the question, "What constructive things can we learn from this person's life?"

But since you bring it up again why should anyone want to lead CUSA? Obviously if they get promoted they are going to be hated as a traitor. It's a destructive frame of mind not to wish those who have done you a great job success.

Craig Thompson has taken positions as commissioner of the MWC that had they been successful would have harmed the Sun Belt, his former commissioner job. If he were to become commissioner of the Pac-12 his job would be to represent the interests of the Pac-12, not the Sun Belt and not the MWC.

The late Arkansas Supreme Court Justice Ray Thornton was at one time president of AState. He lobbied to get Arkansas and AState playing. He later became president of the University of Arkansas and was asked about the change of heart on playing and said basically when I was at AState I worked to do what was best for AState and at UA, I work for its best interest. As a state supreme court justice he took positions different from positions he held as a US representative and as a university president.

You work for your employer's interests not your own.

Yeah, I explained the same above in the post before this last one. Apparently that wasn't enough.

Uh OK

You owe your employer your best effort. You owe yourself the accomplishment of the former with integrity.
05-18-2018 12:30 AM
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RE: RIP Mike Slive
RIP of course, sorry to see him pass.

As for an evaluation, I disagree that he was "visionary". The visionary SEC commissioner was Roy Kramer. He was a transformational leader woke the SEC up, leveraging a lot of untapped potential. Adding Arkansas and South Carolina created the modern SEC. The addition of Arkansas was really prescient, as beforehand the SEC was really too "eastern" in its orientation, neglecting the western part of the deep south. It allowed the SEC to claim southern territory it should have had all along, and set the stage for the later acquisition of Mizzou and TAMU.

And the implementation of the SEC title game in football is the stuff legacies are made of.

Slive, on the other hand, was more of a transactional leader, a technician who has others have noted consolidated the gains Kramer initiated and solved some internal structural and comity problems. Those are real achievements and the conference is stronger for it.
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RE: RIP Mike Slive
I must be a cold hearted bastard, because I do not feel any major tugs at heart strings nor do I feel like dancing on the man's grave in glee. I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of the posters on this board didn't know the man. He was in charge of the entity that some of you have been association with because your alma mater/rooting interest was a member of it. He oversaw the product that you consumed - which is no different than the guy who is in charge of the corporation that makes your favorite snacks or soft drinks.

Was he a good man or was he a bad man? Who knows - unless you actually knew the guy. I have sympathy for the loved ones that are still around after his death, but it's not like the guy was taken before his prime. I fail to see the efficacy of making value judgements about the guy; however, I think it's appropriate to discuss his legacy and his mark on college athletics.

IMHO, just odd to see such strong feelings about the guy personified as an angel of God or as the spawn of Satan.
05-18-2018 06:50 AM
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RE: RIP Mike Slive
(05-18-2018 06:50 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I must be a cold hearted bastard, because I do not feel any major tugs at heart strings nor do I feel like dancing on the man's grave in glee. I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of the posters on this board didn't know the man. He was in charge of the entity that some of you have been association with because your alma mater/rooting interest was a member of it. He oversaw the product that you consumed - which is no different than the guy who is in charge of the corporation that makes your favorite snacks or soft drinks.

Was he a good man or was he a bad man? Who knows - unless you actually knew the guy. I have sympathy for the loved ones that are still around after his death, but it's not like the guy was taken before his prime. I fail to see the efficacy of making value judgements about the guy; however, I think it's appropriate to discuss his legacy and his mark on college athletics.

IMHO, just odd to see such strong feelings about the guy personified as an angel of God or as the spawn of Satan.

I don't recall any Angel of God comments here Miko. Speaking in appreciation of what someone does is not an act of deification. And my point stands, decorum is to remember the good at the time of the death and leave the imperfections for biographers and historians if the life was worth such a later effort. This isn't a balanced issue between diametrically opposed positions. It is and remains a question of decorum, which for many reasons is being bred out of our society.

I do agree that his passing is not pertinent to most here. The purpose of having this thread is now past. But it was derailed by mindless hostility and that is what concerns me.
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