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RE: The Big Sky and Summit schedule a crossover challenge series with select schools
(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
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(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
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(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

You would need to flip WIU and YSU.
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RE: The Big Sky and Summit schedule a crossover challenge series with select schools
(02-09-2018 08:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
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(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.
NDSU trled to run the UND fb program in the dust by blocking UND before from the MVFC IMHO. NDSU and UND agreed to 2016 and 2019 games in Fargo - that is very telling. Only if something bigger than FCS would NDSU want UND fb back. For some reason -which have suggested here- NDSU actually agreed to schedule UND in a conference but not until 2020. The Summit by NDSU never blocked UND, but that would have lead to UND fb starving. UND actally had talked to the Southland about an affiliate deal when the Big Sky offered. Some of NDSU's success is due to UND not getting recruits in MN and WI that it used to when they were both DII programs. NDSU actually gets kids that have MAC offers.

Yep, UND's failure to have any success is 100% the fault of NDSU.

The only thing blocking UND from getting an MVFC invite was the eastern schools who cannot afford another trip to the Dakota's. Why did the invite occur now? Because the Summit needed UND and SDSU and NDSU have a lot of power in the MVFC. Along with USD the XDSU's pushed hard to get UND an invite. Adding UND also allows the allows the MVC to look at a FB school if the expand, and if they do not add a FB school, the Summit can bring in another FB school.

The delay to 2020 is due to scheduling and, in all likelihood, a split of the league into divisions lessening the travel, and secondary, providing an easier route to the playoffs for the eastern schools (my black helicopter moment).
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RE: The Big Sky and Summit schedule a crossover challenge series with select schools
(02-09-2018 11:32 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 08:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 07:25 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 05:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.
NDSU trled to run the UND fb program in the dust by blocking UND before from the MVFC IMHO. NDSU and UND agreed to 2016 and 2019 games in Fargo - that is very telling. Only if something bigger than FCS would NDSU want UND fb back. For some reason -which have suggested here- NDSU actually agreed to schedule UND in a conference but not until 2020. The Summit by NDSU never blocked UND, but that would have lead to UND fb starving. UND actally had talked to the Southland about an affiliate deal when the Big Sky offered. Some of NDSU's success is due to UND not getting recruits in MN and WI that it used to when they were both DII programs. NDSU actually gets kids that have MAC offers.

Yep, UND's failure to have any success is 100% the fault of NDSU.

The only thing blocking UND from getting an MVFC invite was the eastern schools who cannot afford another trip to the Dakota's. Why did the invite occur now? Because the Summit needed UND and SDSU and NDSU have a lot of power in the MVFC. Along with USD the XDSU's pushed hard to get UND an invite. Adding UND also allows the allows the MVC to look at a FB school if the expand, and if they do not add a FB school, the Summit can bring in another FB school.

The delay to 2020 is due to scheduling and, in all likelihood, a split of the league into divisions lessening the travel, and secondary, providing an easier route to the playoffs for the eastern schools (my black helicopter moment).

Hey, a voice of reason! 03-wink

So who's the 12th MVFC add? As I've stated, Northern Colorado seems very unlikely simply due to travel distance (especially if the eastern schools are concerned about trips just to the Dakotas).
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RE: The Big Sky and Summit schedule a crossover challenge series with select schools
(02-09-2018 11:32 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 08:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 07:25 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 05:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.
NDSU trled to run the UND fb program in the dust by blocking UND before from the MVFC IMHO. NDSU and UND agreed to 2016 and 2019 games in Fargo - that is very telling. Only if something bigger than FCS would NDSU want UND fb back. For some reason -which have suggested here- NDSU actually agreed to schedule UND in a conference but not until 2020. The Summit by NDSU never blocked UND, but that would have lead to UND fb starving. UND actally had talked to the Southland about an affiliate deal when the Big Sky offered. Some of NDSU's success is due to UND not getting recruits in MN and WI that it used to when they were both DII programs. NDSU actually gets kids that have MAC offers.

Yep, UND's failure to have any success is 100% the fault of NDSU.

The only thing blocking UND from getting an MVFC invite was the eastern schools who cannot afford another trip to the Dakota's. Why did the invite occur now? Because the Summit needed UND and SDSU and NDSU have a lot of power in the MVFC. Along with USD the XDSU's pushed hard to get UND an invite. Adding UND also allows the allows the MVC to look at a FB school if the expand, and if they do not add a FB school, the Summit can bring in another FB school.

The delay to 2020 is due to scheduling and, in all likelihood, a split of the league into divisions lessening the travel, and secondary, providing an easier route to the playoffs for the eastern schools (my black helicopter moment).

So the MVFC insisted that it couldn't add UND fb back then because the travel was too hard for Ind St and S Ill, but now it is just fine? This has the stench of NDSU's past admin all over it.

UND's success in football in the last days of DII drove NDSU supporters bat crazy. Here we were hosting DII playoff games in a very loud dome, and NDSU hadn't never hosted a playoff game for 20 years. If Brian Kelly and GVSU hadnt been in the way, UND would have had several championships in a row. SDSU had aways been a mediocre FB program unti moving up.

The last NDSU President had serious financial corruption charges against him, so he resigned. The current NDSU president somehow got his emails erased so a freedom of information release could not be made and has serious issues about filling out a travel voucher. Sounds awfully familiar in Washington, but this time it's Education Presidents. NDSU pulled out all stops to harm UND because Fargo people controlled the board for a time. Keep your blinders on and remain ignorant if you choose. NDSU was behind UND in alot of sports 15 year ago, and think that's evening out now except fb
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The delay of two years is primarily for UND to avoid exit fee penalty from the Big Sky. It's all about reducing expenses, which is why they have dropped Baseball and Women's Hockey recently as well. The increasing costs of playing at D-I level, combined with flat revenue (student growth spurt is over ... their primary funding is via tuition and fees not gate) has led to several cost cutting measures.

Paying an exit fee (don't remember how much exactly but somewhere between $250K and $500k) would run counter to reducing expenses. The math must work out such that the travel cost differential of playing 4 road games in the Big Sky for two years is considerably less than paying an exit fee. Hence the wait until 2020 for Football.
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(02-10-2018 12:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The delay of two years is primarily for UND to avoid exit fee penalty from the Big Sky. It's all about reducing expenses, which is why they have dropped Baseball and Women's Hockey recently as well. The increasing costs of playing at D-I level, combined with flat revenue (student growth spurt is over ... their primary funding is via tuition and fees not gate) has led to several cost cutting measures.

Paying an exit fee (don't remember how much exactly but somewhere between $250K and $500k) would run counter to reducing expenses. The math must work out such that the travel cost differential of playing 4 road games in the Big Sky for two years is considerably less than paying an exit fee. Hence the wait until 2020 for Football.

Sure, that's the "logical" explanation, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with an outlandish conspiracy theory?
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(02-10-2018 12:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The delay of two years is primarily for UND to avoid exit fee penalty from the Big Sky. It's all about reducing expenses, which is why they have dropped Baseball and Women's Hockey recently as well. The increasing costs of playing at D-I level, combined with flat revenue (student growth spurt is over ... their primary funding is via tuition and fees not gate) has led to several cost cutting measures.

Paying an exit fee (don't remember how much exactly but somewhere between $250K and $500k) would run counter to reducing expenses. The math must work out such that the travel cost differential of playing 4 road games in the Big Sky for two years is considerably less than paying an exit fee. Hence the wait until 2020 for Football.

Your cluelessness continues. UND fb will have three years in the Big St, and it only needs two for no exit fees. Only when actual retired Republican politicians were installed were any hard decisions made, like cutting a music therapy program or the expensive women's hockey. The NYTimes and the some SJW faculty have so lamented their decisions. But Engineering and other STEM enrollment and aviation\UAV and medical enrollment continues to climb with more facilities.

Our previous President was a clueless Californian too, UC Berkeley PhD, and he wouldn't make any decision, like cutting sports, that would undermine his popularity. But cutting the Sioux name would immediately help all the Indian Reservations develop, so that was his priority, not managing a university. Could just as well had Jerry Brown or Dianne Feinstein.
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(02-10-2018 02:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 12:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The delay of two years is primarily for UND to avoid exit fee penalty from the Big Sky. It's all about reducing expenses, which is why they have dropped Baseball and Women's Hockey recently as well. The increasing costs of playing at D-I level, combined with flat revenue (student growth spurt is over ... their primary funding is via tuition and fees not gate) has led to several cost cutting measures.

Paying an exit fee (don't remember how much exactly but somewhere between $250K and $500k) would run counter to reducing expenses. The math must work out such that the travel cost differential of playing 4 road games in the Big Sky for two years is considerably less than paying an exit fee. Hence the wait until 2020 for Football.

Sure, that's the "logical" explanation, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with an outlandish conspiracy theory?
There has been documented political blocking of schools all over, but you reject that when you have absolutely no clue about the local politics. Makes zero sense, but all righty then. The Fargo media is the only one that matters in the state for college sports and some have their interview privileges blocked by Ndue when they ask questions that the NDSU President doesnt want asked. He delated emails against the law after all in violation of the FOIA.
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RE: The Big Sky and Summit schedule a crossover challenge series with select schools
(02-10-2018 03:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 12:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The delay of two years is primarily for UND to avoid exit fee penalty from the Big Sky. It's all about reducing expenses, which is why they have dropped Baseball and Women's Hockey recently as well. The increasing costs of playing at D-I level, combined with flat revenue (student growth spurt is over ... their primary funding is via tuition and fees not gate) has led to several cost cutting measures.

Paying an exit fee (don't remember how much exactly but somewhere between $250K and $500k) would run counter to reducing expenses. The math must work out such that the travel cost differential of playing 4 road games in the Big Sky for two years is considerably less than paying an exit fee. Hence the wait until 2020 for Football.

Sure, that's the "logical" explanation, but doesn't it make more sense to come up with an outlandish conspiracy theory?
There has been documented political blocking of schools all over, but you reject that when you have absolutely no clue about the local politics. Makes zero sense, but all righty then. The Fargo media is the only one that matters in the state for college sports and some have their interview privileges blocked by Ndue when they ask questions that the NDSU President doesnt want asked. He delated emails against the law after all in violation of the FOIA.

I'm willing to believe that NDSU blocked UND, that sort of thing happens frequently. What makes people less willing to believe it is: That plausible statement is packaged together with another plausible-but-unsupported statement (the Montanas want to be in a conference with the 4 Dakota schools and vice versa) and with two fairly ridiculous statements (the Great Northern Conference is guaranteed-to-happen, and is going to be an FBS conference).

In short, the sky might be blue outside your room, NoDak, but given your track record (how's that FBS WAC doing, anyway?) people are liable to dismiss your testimony.
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