I've lost track now--in the theoretical Big North are the 3 California FCS schools in as FB affiliates?

(02-03-2018 12:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've lost track now--in the theoretical Big North are the 3 California FCS schools in as FB affiliates?

No. The three CA schools will join the WAC as well as some Southland schools .Seattle and UVU will join the rump of the Big Sky.

W Illinois is already disillusioned with the Summit as only one easy bus trip to IPFW, which wants out. The MVFC is what WIU wants, but there is no good bb league that would even consider them.

(02-03-2018 11:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 09:39 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Western Illinois is playing both Montana and Montana State this year.
http://goleathernecks.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

Clearly Western Illinois is now a part of the Summit League transforming into the Great North Conference now.

Know this is a joke post, but Montana scheduled a Home and Away series because their fans are tired of the Savannah St and Valpo out of conference games. W Ill has lost their last two fb coaches for bailing to richer institutions. Things are not well in Macomb, although their fb program has been the shining star of their athletic.

Western Illinois needs the MVFC but will chose the OVC because of their atrocious financials.

So when Montana and MSU play Dakota schools OOC, it's a harbinger of the Summit's apotheosis into the FBS Great Northern Conference. But when they play Summit LEague member Western Illinois, it's just an OOC game with no greater significance.

Alrighty then.

Yup. Ignore the fact NAU just finished a home and home with WIU, in the midst of one with Illinois State, and just had one with UNI

(02-03-2018 05:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 11:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 09:39 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Western Illinois is playing both Montana and Montana State this year.
http://goleathernecks.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

Clearly Western Illinois is now a part of the Summit League transforming into the Great North Conference now.

Know this is a joke post, but Montana scheduled a Home and Away series because their fans are tired of the Savannah St and Valpo out of conference games. W Ill has lost their last two fb coaches for bailing to richer institutions. Things are not well in Macomb, although their fb program has been the shining star of their athletic.

Western Illinois needs the MVFC but will chose the OVC because of their atrocious financials.

So when Montana and MSU play Dakota schools OOC, it's a harbinger of the Summit's apotheosis into the FBS Great Northern Conference. But when they play Summit LEague member Western Illinois, it's just an OOC game with no greater significance.

Alrighty then.

Yup. Ignore the fact NAU just finished a home and home with WIU, in the midst of one with Illinois State, and just had one with UNI

WIU plays in the same fb conference as Ill St and UNi. That's the reason they don't want to walk away from the MVFC.

(02-03-2018 12:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 12:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've lost track now--in the theoretical Big North are the 3 California FCS schools in as FB affiliates?

W Illinois is already disillusioned with the Summit as only one easy bus trip to IPFW, which wants out.

Omaha is closer to Macomb than Fort Wayne is.

(02-04-2018 01:56 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 12:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 12:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've lost track now--in the theoretical Big North are the 3 California FCS schools in as FB affiliates?

W Illinois is already disillusioned with the Summit as only one easy bus trip to IPFW, which wants out.

Omaha is closer to Macomb than Fort Wayne is.

Neither really makes for a short trip, which has as much to do with Macomb being really isolated as anything. Regardless, they're not going anywhere until they can stop being cellar dwellers in basketball. They have absolutely nothing to offer as a program apart from football.

(02-04-2018 01:56 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 12:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 12:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've lost track now--in the theoretical Big North are the 3 California FCS schools in as FB affiliates?

W Illinois is already disillusioned with the Summit as only one easy bus trip to IPFW, which wants out.

Omaha is closer to Macomb than Fort Wayne is.

Nashville is only slightly further than either. When Jacksonville St and E Kentucky are gone the OVC makes a lot more sense to WIU instead of flights to the Dakota's, Denver etc. The OVC already has two Illinois schools, why not a third and one in S Indiana? When Murray St leaves for the MVC, Bemont to the SoCon and EKU and Jax St are gone offer USI, Bellarmine, and Lipscomb for their mbb and WIU for their fb

Western Illinois is closer to all the Dakota schools than either of the Montana schools.

I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

I don't think they takeover the MVFC but the Summit becomes a FCS conference itself since 6 is the minimum to get an auto-bid for FCS.

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

No Colorado would give the Summit six fb schools, which would make it immensely easier to retain the autobid, but the end result would be W Illinois being driven off.
NoColo had to take a loan from the Big Sky to keep its athletics funded..

The Montanas and Idaho give so much more, including state rivalries, comparable funding, academics, and political unity. Those factors would make any descent President absolutely orgasmic.

NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

(02-06-2018 10:32 AM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

The orgasmic factor in 1978 was Nevada, which was just joining.
The later loss of Nevada, Boise St and Idaho created the desire to slap DI labels on West Coast commuter schools like Northridge, Sac St, and Portland St and deulsionally believe that they were good replacements that would have massive TV ratings and build much better than Jr High gyms. Turned out entirely wrong.

In 2002, NDSU's President at the time, coming from Mont St, understood the issues, it couldn't ram through his proposal to the Big Sky. UND had two big arenas coming on line, was hosting the DII basketball championships, and dealing with local flood issues had too much on its plate for a DI transition. The Montanas worked out a plan for UND's acceptance longer term because we weren't a bull in a China closet.

(02-06-2018 04:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:32 AM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

The orgasmic factor in 1978 was Nevada, which was just joining.
The later loss of Nevada, Boise St and Idaho created the desire to slap DI labels on West Coast commuter schools like Northridge, Sac St, and Portland St and deulsionally believe that they were good replacements that would have massive TV ratings and build much better than Jr High gyms. Turned out entirely wrong.

In 2002, NDSU's President at the time, coming from Mont St, understood the issues, it couldn't ram through his proposal to the Big Sky. UND had two big arenas coming on line, was hosting the DII basketball championships, and dealing with local flood issues had too much on its plate for a DI transition. The Montanas worked out a plan for UND's acceptance longer term because we weren't a bull in a China closet.

I'm confused. The Alerus was built with tax money and is owned by the city of Grand Forks. The Ralph was donated by his estate and is run by a non-profit, correct? So which two big arenas did UND build in 2002?

UND chose to not go D1 at the time due to their not wanting to ever leave D2. They did everything they could to make it difficult for NDSU, and even SDSU to move up. Your AD and Women's BB coach were all over the North Dakota media making fools of themselves. Your recent financial struggles may be why they were so adamant against the move. The powers that be must have understood that UND could not afford D1 for all sports and still fund hockey at the highest level. Smart guys.

The Montana's did not work out a plan to get UND into the Big Sky. That smart move was pushed by Fullerton (who also offered USD) in an attempt to build a super conference, hoping to attract SDSU and more importantly, NDSU. Fullerton admitted as much in his exit interview.

One other quick item. You rip Sac State and Portland yet a few years ago they were your dream conference mates. The more this thread goes on, the more fibs you tell. Maybe it is time for this thread, and your crazy ideas, to go away.

(02-06-2018 07:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 04:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:32 AM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

The orgasmic factor in 1978 was Nevada, which was just joining.
The later loss of Nevada, Boise St and Idaho created the desire to slap DI labels on West Coast commuter schools like Northridge, Sac St, and Portland St and deulsionally believe that they were good replacements that would have massive TV ratings and build much better than Jr High gyms. Turned out entirely wrong.

In 2002, NDSU's President at the time, coming from Mont St, understood the issues, it couldn't ram through his proposal to the Big Sky. UND had two big arenas coming on line, was hosting the DII basketball championships, and dealing with local flood issues had too much on its plate for a DI transition. The Montanas worked out a plan for UND's acceptance longer term because we weren't a bull in a China closet.

I'm confused. The Alerus was built with tax money and is owned by the city of Grand Forks. The Ralph was donated by his estate and is run by a non-profit, correct? So which two big arenas did UND build in 2002?

UND chose to not go D1 at the time due to their not wanting to ever leave D2. They did everything they could to make it difficult for NDSU, and even SDSU to move up. Your AD and Women's BB coach were all over the North Dakota media making fools of themselves. Your recent financial struggles may be why they were so adamant against the move. The powers that be must have understood that UND could not afford D1 for all sports and still fund hockey at the highest level. Smart guys.

The Montana's did not work out a plan to get UND into the Big Sky. That smart move was pushed by Fullerton (who also offered USD) in an attempt to build a super conference, hoping to attract SDSU and more importantly, NDSU. Fullerton admitted as much in his exit interview.

One other quick item. You rip Sac State and Portland yet a few years ago they were your dream conference mates. The more this thread goes on, the more fibs you tell. Maybe it is time for this thread, and your crazy ideas, to go away.

Like how EWU was critical to the formation of the Great North, needed and wanted by Idaho and the Montanas. Then, as soon as what was apparent to the rest of us, that EWU can barely afford to stay DI, he dropped them like a rock and suddenly Weber State was all that and a bag of chips. Sad, really.

(02-06-2018 07:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 04:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:32 AM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

The orgasmic factor in 1978 was Nevada, which was just joining.
The later loss of Nevada, Boise St and Idaho created the desire to slap DI labels on West Coast commuter schools like Northridge, Sac St, and Portland St and deulsionally believe that they were good replacements that would have massive TV ratings and build much better than Jr High gyms. Turned out entirely wrong.

In 2002, NDSU's President at the time, coming from Mont St, understood the issues, it couldn't ram through his proposal to the Big Sky. UND had two big arenas coming on line, was hosting the DII basketball championships, and dealing with local flood issues had too much on its plate for a DI transition. The Montanas worked out a plan for UND's acceptance longer term because we weren't a bull in a China closet.

I'm confused. The Alerus was built with tax money and is owned by the city of Grand Forks. The Ralph was donated by his estate and is run by a non-profit, correct? So which two big arenas did UND build in 2002?

UND chose to not go D1 at the time due to their not wanting to ever leave D2. They did everything they could to make it difficult for NDSU, and even SDSU to move up. Your AD and Women's BB coach were all over the North Dakota media making fools of themselves. Your recent financial struggles may be why they were so adamant against the move. The powers that be must have understood that UND could not afford D1 for all sports and still fund hockey at the highest level. Smart guys.

The Montana's did not work out a plan to get UND into the Big Sky. That smart move was pushed by Fullerton (who also offered USD) in an attempt to build a super conference, hoping to attract SDSU and more importantly, NDSU. Fullerton admitted as much in his exit interview.

One other quick item. You rip Sac State and Portland yet a few years ago they were your dream conference mates. The more this thread goes on, the more fibs you tell. Maybe it is time for this thread, and your crazy ideas, to go away.

Ralph donated the arena, but his non-profit foundation that was established needed full gate receipts for several years in order to make sure that arena was operating properly. It doesn't take an MBA to figure that out.

UND did not ever say it was staying in DII forever but always said DI was possible at the right time, but lies about UND are a constant theme on circle jerk XDSU message boards. Minnesota-Duluth just happens to be an important hockey ally, and giving them a shot in the NCC just wasn't in the interest of the XDSU's.

NDSU's President knew that UND could not go DI for a few years, so he barged ahead with his little sister, SDSU. He also worked overtime to paint UND as the bad actor, then he was run out of the state after a few years for gross financial improprieties. XDSU fans have him in their pantheon as a god, but there is no doubt that he did many evil things.

Fullerton did not have a vote, but no minds like you insist he did.

The XDSU presidents did a good job deceiving everybody that Portland St and Sac St would be great partners when they attempted to barge into the Big Sky several times.

My recollection of the transition is that UND loved having the only D1 sport (hockey) in the Dakota's. They wanted the other schools to stay D2 to maintain that monopoly. The SU's continued to be the leaders in the Dakota's and the UxD's are still playing catch up via COA and upgrading facilities. The Summit and MVFC will go the way the SU's want and the other schools will tag along.

Chapman>Kupchella

(02-06-2018 09:41 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  My recollection of the transition is that UND loved having the only D1 sport (hockey) in the Dakota's. They wanted the other schools to stay D2 to maintain that monopoly. The SU's continued to be the leaders in the Dakota's and the UxD's are still playing catch up via COA and upgrading facilities. The Summit and MVFC will go the way the SU's want and the other schools will tag along.

Chapman>Kupchella

Chapman was on par with Hillary, and you XDSU fans still love him. Pathetic.

UND already had DI hockey championships so DI cyanide tablets were not disbursed to ur fans like your Jim Jones wannabe President did.

NAU just announced 2018 Football schedule - playing Missouri State.






Obvious that NAU, having played Illinois State, WIU, South Dakota, UNI and now Missouri State is destined for the MVFC.

(02-07-2018 01:13 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  I seriously think NoDak (SiouxVolley) has a mental condition.

Have been accused of this XDSU fans for years, when my prediction of the Big Sky didn't come through quickly. The XDSU fans never had the gumption or character to admit their wrong. Standard practice for them to accuse others of mental illness when they disagree.

The facts are the Summit has not given a DII team membership for years, as IPFW is a dead man walking, as they badly want the Horizon and will bet it soon. Losing IPFW would cause an autobid loss, as no one else has baseball and men's soccer that would join. But UND joined willingly. Some other schools will be joining that have not been revealed. Simple math but XDSU posters are not capable of logic.