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Cuse/Wisky Series Off '20-21
Mutual decision. I think Cuse AD realized the ACC Atlantic is plenty tough enough and it makes more sense to schedule a low/middle power rated P5 school for a H/H.

I wonder if Rutgers/Cuse will come back? Rutgers backed out a couple years ago of a proposed series.

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(12-01-2017 11:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Mutual decision. I think Cuse AD realized the ACC Atlantic is plenty tough enough and it makes more sense to schedule a low/middle power rated P5 school for a H/H.

I wonder if Rutgers/Cuse will come back? Rutgers backed out a couple years ago of a proposed series.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...celed.html

I hope so!
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That would make a lot of sense for both Rutgers and Syracuse, IMHO.
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I read somewhere that Wisconsin may have initiated it. I don’t know how true that is though.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Wisconsin initiated. Badgers recently added Notre Dame in 20/21 and with a 9 game conference schedule I doubt the Badgers wanted to keep P5 OOC opponents.
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I'd say the Terps should inquire but I think we're playing 'Cuse in 2019, don't have room in 2020 and have WVU in 2021.
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(12-03-2017 12:40 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if Wisconsin initiated. Badgers recently added Notre Dame in 20/21 and with a 9 game conference schedule I doubt the Badgers wanted to keep P5 OOC opponents.

10 P5 opponents is probably enough. 11 would be overkill.
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(12-05-2017 12:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:40 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if Wisconsin initiated. Badgers recently added Notre Dame in 20/21 and with a 9 game conference schedule I doubt the Badgers wanted to keep P5 OOC opponents.

10 P5 opponents is probably enough. 11 would be overkill.

We should / could all play 12. But if we do then the upper tier should be comprised of 72-80 schools, so in fact we would still be playing what we've called G5 opponents, but the lower tier G5 and FCS would be eliminated.

If we stay at 65 in the P5 then 10 or maybe 11 would be maxing out.
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JRSec,

I think 10 is the max you can legislate. And that can be done by making it a requirement to be selected for the CFP. So an Alabama or Washington State would have to get to their CCG to get that 10th game under their current schedule. This is a mandate I'd like to see put in place.

The big problem is logistics. Most P5 schools are budgeted based on 7 home games, or at least 6 home games and a big payoff neutral site game. 12 games would mean some schools would go down to 5 home games, and none would be more than 6 (taking into account neutral site). It would also end the access of G5 and that could cause legal problems.

Alabama is one of many top P5 programs with a schedule that looks like 7 home games, a neutral site game, and 4 conference road games. Dropping them down to 5 or 6 home games is potentially a $15m gate hit. That is not going to happen. You have to make up that revenue.
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(12-05-2017 01:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  JRSec,

I think 10 is the max you can legislate. And that can be done by making it a requirement to be selected for the CFP. So an Alabama or Washington State would have to get to their CCG to get that 10th game under their current schedule. This is a mandate I'd like to see put in place.

The big problem is logistics. Most P5 schools are budgeted based on 7 home games, or at least 6 home games and a big payoff neutral site game. 12 games would mean some schools would go down to 5 home games, and none would be more than 6 (taking into account neutral site). It would also end the access of G5 and that could cause legal problems.

Alabama is one of many top P5 programs with a schedule that looks like 7 home games, a neutral site game, and 4 conference road games. Dropping them down to 5 or 6 home games is potentially a $15m gate hit. That is not going to happen. You have to make up that revenue.

I think the way you solve that 7th home game is to move the Spring game, as Dabo first suggested, to mid-August and play a G5 or FCS school as a preseason game the ticket to which would be included in the Season book. You start practice for the Fall indoors or at night in July and you do away with Spring altogether. This actually permits our coaches to take May and part of June off. I think it would be healthy for the sport. Early signing could be moved up to the first week of August and signing day could stay the same.

For 2 sport athletes who play baseball or run track this would be very beneficial.

Also, by making the Spring Game an August preseason game you monetize that game. Then the additional content value of additional P games increases those tickets from $55 tickets to $85 tickets in most venues. So there's a bump for making this switch without giving up that 7th home game in the season book.

As for excluding the G5 if we formed our own tier with specifications established for maintaining a permeable entry and exit barrier through criteria there would be no likely grounds for suits.

Baseline attendance requirements are already part of the NCAA but they simply don't enforce them as they should. Set minimums for athletic endowments, athletic budgets, requisite number of sports, venue size minimums and amenities minimums, and I think you have it covered.

The points you raise are exactly the matters that do have to be addressed, it's just that addressing them in a positive way is not as difficult as many might think.

But of course the tendency of our conferences will be to try to get a raise for adding extra P games so they will get their one pay bump at a time, so it will take awhile to get there.
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