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(01-26-2018 03:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 09:43 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 05:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Because that would be a significant step back.

Not to get all high and mighty or anything but you don't see Pac-12 members clamoring to join the MWC.

Understood. But, the AAC is not a P5 conference any more than the MWC or other G5 conference are. I don't see a new SWC conference being formed in the immediate future, but when TV contracts expire and the money is reduced, a move to a more regional conference may take place. If it does, this is a strong realignment. It has half of the AAC in it. The 2 Florida schools are missing who happen to have had a great year this year. But, these come and go along with their coaches who are poached by the P5. Who's to say a member of this new SWC couldn't step up and do what UCF did this year? What kind of rivalry does UH have with ECU or Navy or USF/UCF? Do they travel well to away games? Do UH fans travel well to a game in Greenville, North Carolina? The MWC covers the far west. The MAC covers the mid-west. The other 3 G5 conferences, AAC, CUSA and SBC are all over the country. CUSA is from El Paso to Miami to Huntington, WV. The SBC is from San Marcos to Boone, NC. The AAC is from Houston to Cincy to Annapolis to Tampa. G5 schools don't have $90M + athletic budgets. Travel is ridiculous, especially for spring sports, attendance is down because teams don't travel well, and revenue is down as a result. We all want to be a member of a P5 conference. If the invites aren't there, when TV contracts expire, finances may really get ugly. Just think about an effective realignment when they do.

Half of those AAC teams are teams UH doesn't or barely wants to associate with. Houston sees itself more with Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple and UCF than Tulsa, Tulane and even SMU.

Which is why that "it has half the AAC" argument doesn't hold much water. A regional conference may work better but not to the point UH is lowering itself to play with schools not on its level.
Alumna such as C2 always have to get the last word! Back on topic, Houston market! uH cheated, was caught, and like many individuals, has defenders; i.e. C2, etc.? Lowering yourself to schools who actual value academics and fair play; is that the uH model, or is it the China model, we are a big important (university) country and our agenda rules? So do I ‘lower’ myself to play with (schools) countries who are ‘not on its level’?
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If you want me to blunt and honest, it wouldn't be the end of the world to be associated with Rice again. But being associated with UNT, ULL and LaTech, among others? That's a step back.
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(01-25-2018 05:24 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-25-2018 04:24 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Might
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Why would you say that?

AAC - 6 teams - Houston, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU. Memphis, Cincy
CUSA - 5 teams - Rice, LA Tech, N. Texas, UTSA, S. Miss
SBC - 3 teams - Louisiana, Ark State, Texas State
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(01-26-2018 01:08 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Oh why not just spell it out so all the cards are the table for comparison......

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCas...?id=102093

https://books.google.com/books?id=ddYDAA...ns&f=false

UH: "On numerous occasions during the period 1978 to 1984, members of the university's football coaching staff provided student-athletes with cash payments ranging from $5 to $500."

UT: "On 15 different occasions, UT student-athletes received loans and gifts of cash totaling $670"

UH: "A representative of the university's athletics interests lent his automobile to a student-athlete in order for the young man to travel round-trip between Houston and his home town."

UT: "The coaching staff, including McWilliams, loaned athletes automobiles for lengths of time ranging from 20 minutes to a weekend."

UH: "football coaching staff and representatives of the university's athletics interests violated fundamental NCAA restrictions regarding the recruitment of prospective student-athletes, including rules on the number of recruiting contacts"

UT: " Various coaches made impermissible off-campus contacts with recruits"

UH: " a representative of the institution's athletics interests purchased a one-way airline ticket"

UT: "One-way transportation by private plane was provided to an athlete"

I can go on and on and into more detail but I think the point is proven. Everyone (save Rice and hard to believe Baylor) was guilty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...de8aabc080

"...The violations occurred in 1978-86. The investigation began in 1986, after four former players said Yeoman and his assistants had paid them. Wide receivers Lonell Phea and David Roberson said they were given $18,000 and $10,000, respectively, to play for the Cougars during their careers. Phea played 1979-81, Roberson 1981-83.
Yeoman said he gave petty cash to players for humanitarian reasons, such as paying their parents' utility bills. But in March 1987, former booster Frank Terry said Yeoman asked him to raise thousands of dollars for improper use.
"The violations on occasion were so numerous," the NCAA said, "that the former head football coach {Yeoman} and his assistants, even after they began to tell the truth, were not able to recall all the occasions they gave money to student athletes...."


http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/17/sports...ation.html
UH's own AD thought the NCAA took it easy on them.

...Davalos said he thought the N.C.A.A. had been lenient because of the progress the school has made in the past two years.
''I knew we were going to get hit when I saw the allegations,'' said Davalos, who was hired as athletic director in January 1987. ''The hope we had was they would see how far back it happened and they would take that into consideration. I think they did.'' Davalos said the television ban would cost the school about $300,000. Pardee said the scholarship limits would not have a great effect on the football team because only 20 members of the current team are seniors....
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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/18/sports...ation.html

"...The N.C.A.A. said a significant number of rules violations were found, but with a single exception, ''none of the serious violations involved the recruitment of prospective student-athletes, and it does not appear that the violations resulted in a significant competitive advantage for the University of Texas.'' "

These two don't sound anything alike.
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It's a shame Houston missed the P5 train before it left the station. The next one isn't due in until 2024.
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(12-09-2017 05:17 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Here's the thing: If Rice goes 2-10, you still have a great academic school in a fun city to visit that has a LOT of FBS tradition. It's not an undesirable bottom feeder.

+10 post, Rice (I don’t think we are a bottom feeder) has more upside for the PAC, B10, SEC, and ACC than any of the other D1 schools in town (HBU, Texas Southern, Prarie View (technically not in the city but still in the third most populous county in the nation) or uh))!
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(01-28-2018 10:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/18/sports...ation.html

"...The N.C.A.A. said a significant number of rules violations were found, but with a single exception, ''none of the serious violations involved the recruitment of prospective student-athletes, and it does not appear that the violations resulted in a significant competitive advantage for the University of Texas.'' "

These two don't sound anything alike.

Never denied we were guilty, in fact I think I went out of my way to show we were. I was responding to this quote.....

(01-25-2018 06:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  The things they got charged with were very different.

You were charged with the same thing we were but got off. Like I will say again since I guess it needs repeating....

Cover-up or vindication is a matter for another debate. I was simply proving you were charged with exactly the same charges we were. I just stopped where I did because whats the point in showing charges 9,10,11, etc when I have shown enough to prove my point and I provided the sources for anyone who cared to look up the rest.

You haven't disproved anything I posted.
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(01-29-2018 09:32 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 10:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/18/sports...ation.html

"...The N.C.A.A. said a significant number of rules violations were found, but with a single exception, ''none of the serious violations involved the recruitment of prospective student-athletes, and it does not appear that the violations resulted in a significant competitive advantage for the University of Texas.'' "

These two don't sound anything alike.

Never denied we were guilty, in fact I think I went out of my way to show we were. I was responding to this quote.....

(01-25-2018 06:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  The things they got charged with were very different.

You were charged with the same thing we were but got off. Like I will say again since I guess it needs repeating....

Cover-up or vindication is a matter for another debate. I was simply proving you were charged with exactly the same charges we were. I just stopped where I did because whats the point in showing charges 9,10,11, etc when I have shown enough to prove my point and I provided the sources for anyone who cared to look up the rest.

You haven't disproved anything I posted.

Of course I did, but I will never convince you.

If you claimed we simply didn't get caught you might have an ounce of credibility. But you just make up your own facts.
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(01-29-2018 11:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  Of course I did, but I will never convince you.

If you claimed we simply didn't get caught you might have an ounce of credibility. But you just make up your own facts.

Please point out one "fact" that you can dispute?.........

Can you simply not read? For the third time.............. I said the fact that either you got off or were vindicated is another debate. That said you were charged with the same things we were.

Those are the facts and are not disputable.

Yes, I am of the opinion that Texas was given a slap on the wrist compared to the rest of us but again that is my opinion not fact....

Oh but you did get three years probation and only served two so there is that nugget to fuel the fire.

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