"Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

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(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

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Unless if they can get Notre Dame type monies from the CFP and TV, it wouldn’t be worth attempting. With the B1G, XII, and PAC (presuming they backfill) at nine conference games, they’d have a harder time finding P5 opponents.

My guess is they would approach NBC first, who could deliver a more consistent college football product by extending their reach to go beyond Notre Dame. With BYU and Notre Dame every year, that leaves 10 games left to schedule. NBC in particular might try to get USC to schedule SEC teams home and home, with the hopes they can get some games against programs like Alabama, Tennessee, or Georgia.

The Pac 12 would probably add UNLV or San Diego State to replace USC, but it’s possible there could be other movement. I think New Mexico State eventually gets a home in the Mountain West.

The other possibility on the non-football side would be to approach the Big East with Gonzaga. I don’t think Fox would have any objections shelling out $10 Million per year for those two programs, and perhaps they figure out how to get the Big East to 16 with one of those being BYU.

I think we should start a thread, "what if Alabama left the SEC" or "what if Ohio State left the B1G"

and while we're at it, what if Superman was raised in Nazi Germany instead of America?

(12-12-2017 08:18 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think we should start a thread, "what if Alabama left the SEC" or "what if Ohio State left the B1G"

and while we're at it, what if Superman was raised in Nazi Germany instead of America?

He was raised in Germany. Engendering in Germany at least....

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

The Big 12 is about 6 years away from the GOR expiring. What if SoCal got together with some of the Big 12 programs and built a new conference. New SWC?

West
1, Arizona State
2, BYU
3, Colorado
4, Colorado State
5, New Mexico
6, USC

East
1, Kansas
2, Oklahoma
3, Oklahoma state
4, TCU
5, Texas
6, Texas Tech

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

Texas A&M will not join the SEC. Texas won't allow it. Plus, No way will the Big 10 add Maryland.

We would no longer be held back by those gang of five teams.

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

I would not be so sure about that. Tension has begun to build between our fans, donors, and the conference. The Pac-12 has held us back from a few national championships. And it's going to hold us back from playing and many more because outside of the top four programs the rest are pretty pathetic.

Not to mention playing games at 10pm at night for the rest of the country has not really helped our program grow. The conference sucks in football, the media deal sucks, the competition sucks, the other teams fans support sucks. And they literally Leach off of us.

The article is thinking about this incorrectly.

How so?

What if USC joined the Big XII?

What if USC joined the Big Ten?

I have written about this before.

USC (and UCLA and Stanford and California and Arizona and Arizona State and Oregon and Washington and Utah and Colorado) are properties that have value. Let's say that the Big Ten/Fox buys the Pac 12 Network. Adding Los Angeles and San Francisco and Seattle and Denver and Pheonix and Niketown has value. Subscribers could pay for the merger. An expanded Big Ten could have 24 members.

Of- What if USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado bolt for the Big XII. Could this type of arrangement make the Big XII a stable conference? USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Cal would not put up with Longhorn BS and may be able to put together the type of leadership to tame Texas.

(12-12-2017 08:55 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

Texas A&M will not join the SEC. Texas won't allow it. Plus, No way will the Big 10 add Maryland.

Boards and presidents make these decisions, not college football fans. A&M wanted to get out from under Austin's control, and an invite to a clearly superior conference ,with more money, was a no-brainer. Nebraska wanted out of the then-possibly-dead B12, and the B10 was a last minute lifeline than made it a no-brainer as well. Plus the B12 has existed 20 years, not 100. It's not comparable to USC leaving the PAC.

No one wants to join the B12. The PAC12 is a more prestigious conference, so any "merger" will be 2-4 schools leaving the B12.

Independence in football is a non-starter because putting olypic sports in the WCC or whatever is a non-starter. No USC president would vote on any of this. This is pure fan fiction.

(12-12-2017 08:55 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

Texas A&M will not join the SEC. Texas won't allow it. Plus, No way will the Big 10 add Maryland.

Stugray nailed this. USC leaving the PAC to go independent is not "some t-shirt fans find this unthinkable" level of "crazy" ... somebody who imagines, for instance, that Texas has a veto over Texas A&M's ability to join a conference that extends an invite.

It's much more like Ohio State leave the B1G or Bama leaving the SEC to go independent level of crazy.

(12-13-2017 02:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:55 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

Texas A&M will not join the SEC. Texas won't allow it. Plus, No way will the Big 10 add Maryland.

Stugray nailed this. USC leaving the PAC to go independent is not "some t-shirt fans find this unthinkable" level of "crazy" ... somebody who imagines, for instance, that Texas has a veto over Texas A&M's ability to join a conference that extends an invite.

It's much more like Ohio State leave the B1G or Bama leaving the SEC to go independent level of crazy.

Uh, look at the world. North Korea is threatening Super Powers. A reality show host is President. Congress is falling on its sword over sexual misconduct. Bitcoin is gaining traction as possibly a global currency. Ancient Aliens is now in multiple seasons. People are fighting over public restroom access for the first time ever. And Missouri had been a member of some iteration of the Big 8/12 for over 100 years. Rutgers and Maryland are in the Big 10.

Now when all of that sinks in please tell me again how insane it would be? Compared to some of the other things I've noted it almost seems rational.

I suspect it is merely a position piece designed to move discussion of changes for the PACN's distribution further along. Still some kind of merger/scheduling alliance/or some other kind of hybrid cooperation effort between the PAC and Big 12 seems to have some traction in the not too distant future.

And this is the CS/CR board where oodles of pages have been spawned by a blog or tweet from the Dude of WV, MHVer3, Tuxedo Yoda, Greg Fluguar, or one of our locals.

And for the record, Alabama and Ohio State have seriously discussed going independent, as have Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and a few others. It was in the early 1970's. Presidents met and phoned each other about it. But it was ditched because of perceived scheduling issues, minor sports costs, and the fear of destabilizing what seemed to be secure. I would think those same reasons would be pondered today. But streaming and keeping all of the profits is the temptation now.

I'd say if you had to bet on which would happen first (a) Ohio State and Alabama going independent or (b) the Dollar loses World Reserve status to Bitcoin, that it would be a very tough call.

Quote:and while we're at it, what if Superman was raised in Nazi Germany instead of America?

Then everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now (and possibly us!).

USC wouldn't be leaving the P12 unless the P12 was falling apart like the B12 did back-in-the-day, and the B12 started grabbing teams.

Highly doubt it. BUT, maybe there is a Superwoman who was raised in Canada, eh?

(12-12-2017 08:52 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:37 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  "Here's a wild idea: what if USC left the Pac-12? Let's think through this"

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

USC has been in the PAC, through its iterations, for almost 100 years. It's not going to go independent, and it's not going to leave for another conference. This is offseason-level clickbait.

Like I said in another thread, all things being equal, you'd be correct. Rivalries and traditional matchups would be most important.

Unfortunately all things aren't equal. If you're SC and see non-elite smaller programs making MILLIONS more per year, you have to ask why and what can be done about it. Money talks, bull-it walks.

Whether or not they would be serious if push comes to shove who knows. It might just be a play to kickstart changes to the conference and how things like the network are run.

This seems like a lot of trouble to go to get out of playing Washington State and 10 pm games. Who ever they get a media deal with needs viewers in the eastern/central time zones to be able to afford USC. That means 10pm games. I don't know that USC has enough appeal to east coast viewers.

Fans may not drool over some teams in the conference but USC is already playing the best teams in the west. You can argue for Boise or BYU but they can't replace UCLA or Stanford. It's not inconceivable that the P12 avoids, if not completely boycotts USC. The only option is if USC gets a ND type deal with the PAC. 4-5 games in exchange for a home for Olympic sports. But then they are back to playing Washington State.

We would still have Batman.

I'm having a hard time imagining how USC and its fans would prefer traveling every year to Iowa or Minnesota instead of to Washington or Oregon. Especially if it meant cutting ties with Stanford and Cal.

I'm having an even harder time imagining them travelling to Lubbock or Waco. At least with the B1G they'd be getting paid better.

But I think it would require that the B1G persuade all four Cali schools to come together, which would take the B1G to 18 teams. If the five existing B1G schools who would be put in that far west division get a vote, I suspect they could and would prevent offering them an invite.

(12-13-2017 06:49 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:and while we're at it, what if Superman was raised in Nazi Germany instead of America?

Then everyone in Europe would be speaking German right now (and possibly us!).

USC wouldn't be leaving the P12 unless the P12 was falling apart like the B12 did back-in-the-day, and the B12 started grabbing teams.

Highly doubt it. BUT, maybe there is a Superwoman who was raised in Canada, eh?

When our nation was being formed there was a vote on the official language. English nudged out German by a vote or two. Verstehen sie?

The difference of course is that Superman the hero is an American creation born out of our cultural identity which at that time emphasized personal responsibility and accountability in a nation that prized individuality. Hence one guy, not exactly from our world, but raised with our ideals, who can inexplicably do it all.

The concept had been kicked around before by Nietzsche and others when philosophizing about the perfect man.

Hitler adopted his archetype from such philosophical discussions, misappropriated it to fit his concepts of racial purity (partially borrowed in a mishmash Wagnerian archetypes and concepts from the Vril Society) and turned it all into the horror of the lebensborn through which he hoped to obtain the supermen that would arise through Aryan purity. So it isn't all that odd that the comic book hero (who during WWII is actually depicted fighting Nazis) and Hitler's confused notion of producing supermen were actually contemporary with one another.

Unfortunately it's not coincidental that now the abandonment of personal responsibility and accountability and the pursuit of a better person is occurring contemporary with lagging education, rising incarceration, and entertainment that has been debased in language usage, reduced to violence and sex only, mocks ideals, and gives us the movie "Idiocracy".

The pursuit of the better self should never have been abandoned, but it is dying along with religion which in most cases urges that pursuit. As our founding fathers once pointed out, and nation of the people, for the people, and by the people, cannot long endure (major condensation of thought here) when we quit being vigilant (accountable & responsible) as people. Or when we quit striving to be better.

I would argue that the Nanny State mentality is the greatest warning to our public that going forward none of us shall be truly free, that those who consider themselves to be superior to our citizens will decide matters for us, and that we should no longer strive to be anything other than subservient to our corporate overlords.

We are no longer challenged to be better or smarter or to think rationally because we are being raised now to be a new kind of slave. Inebriated, fat, stupid, and irresponsible is no way to go through life! It's kryptonite to freedom.

(12-13-2017 09:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  But I think it would require that the B1G persuade all four Cali schools to come together, which would take the B1G to 18 teams. If the five existing B1G schools who would be put in that far west division get a vote, I suspect they could and would prevent offering them an invite.

You basically have to have pods at that point. Then becomes a chicken and egg situation. Do you invite the schools before pods are approved or get pods approved (tipping your hand) and then invite the schools. My personal opinion is that they'd probably prefer to go to 20 or even 24 instead of 18. At that point aren't you just annexing the PAC? Would it be easier or more cost effective to just sign a deal with the BTN? The B1G wouldn't would want "the blood" on their hands from destroying another conference. I don't think the B1G has interest in WSU, OSU and what to do with the Arizona schools and Utah?

(12-13-2017 12:02 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  But I think it would require that the B1G persuade all four Cali schools to come together, which would take the B1G to 18 teams. If the five existing B1G schools who would be put in that far west division get a vote, I suspect they could and would prevent offering them an invite.

You basically have to have pods at that point. Then becomes a chicken and egg situation. Do you invite the schools before pods are approved or get pods approved (tipping your hand) and then invite the schools. My personal opinion is that they'd probably prefer to go to 20 or even 24 instead of 18. At that point aren't you just annexing the PAC? Would it be easier or more cost effective to just sign a deal with the BTN? The B1G wouldn't would want "the blood" on their hands from destroying another conference. I don't think the B1G has interest in WSU, OSU and what to do with the Arizona schools and Utah?

I would think that moving to 20 would be better for those involved. It would be more like returning to the old PAC 8 or whatever. As to the Arizona Schools and Utah I would think that Texas and the Big 12 would be more than amenable. The California 4, Washington, and Oregon would be the core. It would seem that Colorado at least would be needed as a bridge, so the person that postulated that Nebraska could return to the Big 12 might have found a solution.

As far as killing conferences goes, we are down to 5. Nobody remembers or counts the many cuts that kill Caesar. They just remember Brutus. So if more than one conference benefits nobody gets blamed.

Still, I don't really see it happening that way.