(12-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:34 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Proposal D - Power conferences break off. CFP picks tops 8 teams, remaining play P5 vs P5 bowls by limiting to post Christmas only bowls and go back to 20 bowls outside the the CFP bowls. Break-off Power Conferences forms on Basketball Tourney. Power conferences no longer allows G5 and non-football to leach money. Lets see who survives on their own with TV contracts and diminished NCAA Tourney. Let the market decide who folds. Seems like a simple answer to me.

I think this is the endgame. The good news is that I won't have to buy the ESPN channels anymore.

The TV networks have taken over the game, and this is ultimately what they want. It's not about fans, schools, or student-athletes. It's about "viewers" and networks. They're going to ruin football.

People say that...but it really doesnt make sense from a TV point of view. TV WANTS all those G5 fans to remain engaged in college football. The last thing any media empire wants to do is run off 20-30% of their audience.

The P5 would LOVE to do that, because they get to split the money less ways. So, frankly, I dont think TV would really be pushing that end game as much as the P5. I mean...if this were to happen, I'd be done with college football. If Im going to watch the equivalent of pro football--well...I already have a NFL team to watch. I can walk away from college just as easily as I walked away from the NFL during the years Houston didnt have an NFL franchise. After holding Oilers season tickets for years, I found other things to do on Sunday and never missed the NFL after the Oilers moved to Nashville.

Not be cold, but is is not like Texas College Football would miss Houston fans with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech to go along with TCU and Baylor. That is the difference, not many G5 programs are the not the Flagship Universities in most states. Take the rest of the AAC States with P5

Florida - FSU, UF and Miami
PA - Penn State
Conn - The one Flagship outlier
NC - UNC, NCSU, DUKE and Wake
OH - The Ohio State Univ
MD - Univ of MD
OK - Ok, Ok St
La - LSU
TN - UT

That is the thing about college football, rarely you see fans who did not attend the G5 school that are fans of the G5 programs. The Bama, UNC, ND, USC, Tx Ohio State, Penn State will always draw fans even if they lost every G5 fan in the state. That is just the sad reality.

(12-15-2017 02:39 PM)YNot Wrote:  I like autobids for conference champions because it preserves (or elevates) the importance of conference championships and the CCGs.

I like wild cards because it accepts that some divisions and conference schedules are more difficult than others and it preserves (or elevates) the importance of the regular season. And, it continues the importance and impact of the tradition to rank the teams. However, wild cards should be limited in number to preserve the regular season and not undermine the conference championship.

I like access for the G5 because it embraces a significant portion of the FBS fan base.

My favorite CFP scenarios include play-in games, like the NCAAB Round 1 16-seed and 12-seed games. Personally, I like the 10-team CFP with two play-in games: one which will involve at least one G5 champ and one for certain wild card teams (which may include P5 champs not ranked in the top-6). Home field preference always goes to the highest ranked conference champion participating in the game. The Play-In round spills into the CFP Quarterfinals at the NY6 bowls. Semifinals played at the same location as a day-night doubleheader. Make this a Final Four event that will attract college football fans from all over - not just the fan bases of the teams involved.

Field seeded by the Selection Committee, but with the following stipulations:

(1) #1 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(2) #2 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(3) #3 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(4) #4 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(5) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(6) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(7) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(8) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(9) Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(10) Conference Champ (P5 or G5)

With six guaranteed spots for conference champs, each P5 conference is essentially guaranteed a spot in the playoff (though not technically). Also, at least one G5 champ is guaranteed a spot in the playoff.

*The possibility exists that the entire playoff field is champs only. However, that is highly unlikely, as it would mean the top 8 teams are all conference champions (P5 and G5). In most years, the top-8 seeds will all be P5 teams and will include at least one team from each P5 conference. The 9v10 play-in game will match the top-2 G5 champs.

The 2017 Field:
(1)Clemson(ACC)
(2)Oklahoma(B12)
(3)Georgia(SEC)
(4)Ohio St.(B1G)
(5)Alabama(at large)
(6)Wisconsin(at large)
(7)Auburn (at large)
(8)USC(at large - P12 champ)
(9)UCF (AAC)
(10)Boise St. (MWC)

Saturday, December 16, 2017
8-Seed Game: (10)Boise St. v. (9)UCF, at Orlando, Florida
7-Seed Game: (7) Auburn v. (8)USC, at Los Angeles, California

Monday, January 1, 2018
Orange Bowl: 8-Seed Winner (UCF/Boise) v. (1)Clemson
Cotton Bowl: 7-Seed Winner (USC/Auburn) v. (2)Oklahoma
Sugar Bowl: (6)Wisconsin v. (3)Georgia
Rose Bowl: (5)Alabama v. (4)Ohio St.

Saturday, January 13, 2018
(first Saturday that is at least one week after the quarterfinals)
Two Semifinal games at the same Final Four venue (doubleheader)

Monday, January 22, 2018
(first Monday that is at least one week after the semifinals)
National Championship from Atlanta, Georgia

I don't like arbitrary byes. Who is to say Wisconsin is more deserving of a bye than a conference champ?

(12-15-2017 09:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:34 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Proposal D - Power conferences break off. CFP picks tops 8 teams, remaining play P5 vs P5 bowls by limiting to post Christmas only bowls and go back to 20 bowls outside the the CFP bowls. Break-off Power Conferences forms on Basketball Tourney. Power conferences no longer allows G5 and non-football to leach money. Lets see who survives on their own with TV contracts and diminished NCAA Tourney. Let the market decide who folds. Seems like a simple answer to me.

I think this is the endgame. The good news is that I won't have to buy the ESPN channels anymore.

The TV networks have taken over the game, and this is ultimately what they want. It's not about fans, schools, or student-athletes. It's about "viewers" and networks. They're going to ruin football.

People say that...but it really doesnt make sense from a TV point of view. TV WANTS all those G5 fans to remain engaged in college football. The last thing any media empire wants to do is run off 20-30% of their audience.

The P5 would LOVE to do that, because they get to split the money less ways. So, frankly, I dont think TV would really be pushing that end game as much as the P5. I mean...if this were to happen, I'd be done with college football. If Im going to watch the equivalent of pro football--well...I already have a NFL team to watch. I can walk away from college just as easily as I walked away from the NFL during the years Houston didnt have an NFL franchise. After holding Oilers season tickets for years, I found other things to do on Sunday and never missed the NFL after the Oilers moved to Nashville.

Not be cold, but is is not like Texas College Football would miss Houston fans with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech to go along with TCU and Baylor. That is the difference, not many G5 programs are the not the Flagship Universities in most states. Take the rest of the AAC States with P5

Florida - FSU, UF and Miami
PA - Penn State
Conn - The one Flagship outlier
NC - UNC, NCSU, DUKE and Wake
OH - The Ohio State Univ
MD - Univ of MD
OK - Ok, Ok St
La - LSU
TN - UT

That is the thing about college football, rarely you see fans who did not attend the G5 school that are fans of the G5 programs. The Bama, UNC, ND, USC, Tx Ohio State, Penn State will always draw fans even if they lost every G5 fan in the state. That is just the sad reality.

Its not as common as with P5 programs, but its not "rare." I know a number of Houston fans who didn't go to UH, but who live in Houston. Its probably even more common in non-pro, non-P5 markets. I would think you would find a lot of Wyoming fans in Wyoming, Boise fans in Boise, New Mexico fans in New Mexico, etc.

(12-15-2017 09:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:34 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Proposal D - Power conferences break off. CFP picks tops 8 teams, remaining play P5 vs P5 bowls by limiting to post Christmas only bowls and go back to 20 bowls outside the the CFP bowls. Break-off Power Conferences forms on Basketball Tourney. Power conferences no longer allows G5 and non-football to leach money. Lets see who survives on their own with TV contracts and diminished NCAA Tourney. Let the market decide who folds. Seems like a simple answer to me.

I think this is the endgame. The good news is that I won't have to buy the ESPN channels anymore.

The TV networks have taken over the game, and this is ultimately what they want. It's not about fans, schools, or student-athletes. It's about "viewers" and networks. They're going to ruin football.

People say that...but it really doesnt make sense from a TV point of view. TV WANTS all those G5 fans to remain engaged in college football. The last thing any media empire wants to do is run off 20-30% of their audience.

The P5 would LOVE to do that, because they get to split the money less ways. So, frankly, I dont think TV would really be pushing that end game as much as the P5. I mean...if this were to happen, I'd be done with college football. If Im going to watch the equivalent of pro football--well...I already have a NFL team to watch. I can walk away from college just as easily as I walked away from the NFL during the years Houston didnt have an NFL franchise. After holding Oilers season tickets for years, I found other things to do on Sunday and never missed the NFL after the Oilers moved to Nashville.

Not be cold, but is is not like Texas College Football would miss Houston fans with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech to go along with TCU and Baylor. That is the difference, not many G5 programs are the not the Flagship Universities in most states. Take the rest of the AAC States with P5

Florida - FSU, UF and Miami
PA - Penn State
Conn - The one Flagship outlier
NC - UNC, NCSU, DUKE and Wake
OH - The Ohio State Univ
MD - Univ of MD
OK - Ok, Ok St
La - LSU
TN - UT

That is the thing about college football, rarely you see fans who did not attend the G5 school that are fans of the G5 programs. The Bama, UNC, ND, USC, Tx Ohio State, Penn State will always draw fans even if they lost every G5 fan in the state. That is just the sad reality.

Will ratings plummet because Houston is gone. Probably not. Perhaps college football TV ratings are climbing so fast, it wont matter a bit if we cut 65 smaller schools fan bases. Lets not even consider that the biggest schools dont have a lot of room to get much bigger---but there is a ton of college fan growth potential in the G5. Of course, I suspect your conclusion is UH fans will suddenly switch and become Longhorn fans. Arky St fans will run down to Walmart to score some Razorback T-shirts. But, to help you understand, lets just extrapolate that thinking and take it to its logical conclusion.


An all P5 league is not how you maximize the revenue for the real revenue producers. If your going to cut the G5 to increase the revenue for the big dogs--how long will it be before its time to cut all the P5 fat? Surely nobody will miss Kansas football--or Wake Forest--or Purdue--or Kentucky--or Duke. Those guys can show up when basketball starts. Surely, we can get down to 50. That leaves a bigger cut for the bigger schools and all those Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and Wake Forest fans will keep watching. They are college football fans. They'll just pick another team to watch.

Then, maybe since its really the Ohio St's, the Michigan's, the Longhorn's of the world that bring in the bucks--maybe we can get this trimmed down to 30 or so. If their still around, I doubt the Wolfpack makes this cut to 30. But you'll still be parked in front of the TV on Saturday--because you're a college football fan and it doesnt matter to you if the Wolfpack isnt involved anymore. You'll just pull out a map--figure out who the closest school still in FBS is and go buy a T-shirt at Walmart. Then, you'll sit down in your recliner on Saturday with your favorite beer and shout out---"Go Georgia Bulldogs!!!"

I haven't looked at the numbers, but I would guess that based on TV viewership, the P5 attract 80-85% of the college football audience. The vast majority of that viewership likely comes from about 20-25 teams.

Of the remaining 15-20%, the majority of that likely comes from about 10-12 teams.

If you look at the various TV contracts, it plays out exactly like this in the market. So, you could completely cut off about 50 teams and you would still capture 95% of the college football audience.

(12-15-2017 11:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 02:39 PM)YNot Wrote:  I like autobids for conference champions because it preserves (or elevates) the importance of conference championships and the CCGs.

I like wild cards because it accepts that some divisions and conference schedules are more difficult than others and it preserves (or elevates) the importance of the regular season. And, it continues the importance and impact of the tradition to rank the teams. However, wild cards should be limited in number to preserve the regular season and not undermine the conference championship.

I like access for the G5 because it embraces a significant portion of the FBS fan base.

My favorite CFP scenarios include play-in games, like the NCAAB Round 1 16-seed and 12-seed games. Personally, I like the 10-team CFP with two play-in games: one which will involve at least one G5 champ and one for certain wild card teams (which may include P5 champs not ranked in the top-6). Home field preference always goes to the highest ranked conference champion participating in the game. The Play-In round spills into the CFP Quarterfinals at the NY6 bowls. Semifinals played at the same location as a day-night doubleheader. Make this a Final Four event that will attract college football fans from all over - not just the fan bases of the teams involved.

Field seeded by the Selection Committee, but with the following stipulations:

(1) #1 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(2) #2 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(3) #3 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(4) #4 Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(5) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(6) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(7) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(8) At large (could be Conference Champ)
(9) Conference Champ (P5 or G5)
(10) Conference Champ (P5 or G5)

With six guaranteed spots for conference champs, each P5 conference is essentially guaranteed a spot in the playoff (though not technically). Also, at least one G5 champ is guaranteed a spot in the playoff.

*The possibility exists that the entire playoff field is champs only. However, that is highly unlikely, as it would mean the top 8 teams are all conference champions (P5 and G5). In most years, the top-8 seeds will all be P5 teams and will include at least one team from each P5 conference. The 9v10 play-in game will match the top-2 G5 champs.

The 2017 Field:
(1)Clemson(ACC)
(2)Oklahoma(B12)
(3)Georgia(SEC)
(4)Ohio St.(B1G)
(5)Alabama(at large)
(6)Wisconsin(at large)
(7)Auburn (at large)
(8)USC(at large - P12 champ)
(9)UCF (AAC)
(10)Boise St. (MWC)

Saturday, December 16, 2017
8-Seed Game: (10)Boise St. v. (9)UCF, at Orlando, Florida
7-Seed Game: (7) Auburn v. (8)USC, at Los Angeles, California

Monday, January 1, 2018
Orange Bowl: 8-Seed Winner (UCF/Boise) v. (1)Clemson
Cotton Bowl: 7-Seed Winner (USC/Auburn) v. (2)Oklahoma
Sugar Bowl: (6)Wisconsin v. (3)Georgia
Rose Bowl: (5)Alabama v. (4)Ohio St.

Saturday, January 13, 2018
(first Saturday that is at least one week after the quarterfinals)
Two Semifinal games at the same Final Four venue (doubleheader)

Monday, January 22, 2018
(first Monday that is at least one week after the semifinals)
National Championship from Atlanta, Georgia

I don't like arbitrary byes. Who is to say Wisconsin is more deserving of a bye than a conference champ?

Selection committee decides. Hysteria would ensue if there was a system that favored the #12 team over the #5 team (based on the polls) based solely on winning a conference championship.

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Having read a plethora of ideas on this board, going to throw in some ideas for qualifications that may produce results a bit better than what we see from the CFP.

Going to make the claim that if you are viewed as among the top 10% of the field, you are deemed a competitor worthy of a national title shot.

Going to make the claim as well that if you are a conference champion, you have proven that you have what it takes to win big games.

With all of this said, here are amalgamations of these qualifications with the College Football Playoff rankings.

The REAL issue is that there will never be more than a 4 team playoff unless it's approved by the P5 and the networks.

ASSUMING they agree to expand the playoffs to say 8, there's no way in hell the P5 are going to agree to an auto-qualify for a G5 champ. There's no way in hell the P5 are going to allow what would amount to three of them to have their runner up shut out of the playoffs. Even if the P5 eventually becomes the P4, the same will hold true.

I personally don't see what the big deal is. The conferences and the networks make a "it" ton of money on the current format.

If it ain't broke.....

(12-19-2017 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  I haven't looked at the numbers, but I would guess that based on TV viewership, the P5 attract 80-85% of the college football audience. The vast majority of that viewership likely comes from about 20-25 teams.

Of the remaining 15-20%, the majority of that likely comes from about 10-12 teams.

If you look at the various TV contracts, it plays out exactly like this in the market. So, you could completely cut off about 50 teams and you would still capture 95% of the college football audience.

Looks like you're pretty much right on.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

Big name schools from big name conferences getting the biggest ratings.

That's why the networks will NEVER take a chance at cutting their own throats by risking a ratings loser making it to the championship.