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(12-27-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:52 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  David I agree there is quality product in the G5.

Back in the non-BCS era it was basically Boise St, TCU, Utah and BYU that had any value. Programs like Houston, UCF, NIU, Ohio were building facilities over most of that time.

TCU, Utah and BYU were lost but you've added Cincinnati, USF, UConn from the BCS leagues plus the development of SBC programs like App St, Troy, Arkansas State.

My prediction when this G5 system was set up was instead of having 2-3 programs that are serious access bowl contenders eventually that list would be 8-10 deep. More depth in my opinion would necessitate a second access bowl in an NY8 system or a series of bowls for the non-CFP G5 champs vs. Top 25 P5 competition.

A G5 playoff IMO is not really needed. A second access bowl might be so conference championship games serve as more of a play-in than what they do now.


Under the WAc when Boise State was there, you had 4 teams that were a treat to the P5 at the time.

Boise State
UNR
Hawaii
Fresno State

One year, they had 4 finished in the top 35 voting. It was those 4. MWC only had TCU, Utah and BYU.
SBC had none
C-USA had Houston and Southern Miss. MAC had Northern Illinois and Miami.
Appalachian State already proved themselves when they beat Michigan.
Eastern Washington could be the next Boise State if they get an invite to the MWC. So could North Dakota State and South Dakota State. It seems that those 2 schools do have fan support who do travel to watch their teams play P5 schools.

What you are talking to with the FCS programs during that period is it was showing potential was there for a stronger non-P5 grouping at the top level.

With all of the programs that have moved from FCS to FBS this decade I think largely most of that potential is realized in the G5. The Dakota schools are outliers because of their unique location recruiting at the high FCS/G5 level into Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska states with no G5 team.

We are seeing App become a start in the G5 era. FAU/FIU have doubled down with Kiffin/Strong as coaches. Its taking the SBC and CUSA a little while for new stars to emerge but the value is there.


Appalachian State was already one of the best teams before they got invited to the SBC. They were a good add. They were already good before they joined.
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(12-27-2017 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Stewart Mandell and Bruce Feldman have a podcast called “The Audible”. During the mailbag segment of the last two episodes they have been pushing the G5 Playoff concept. They think it would improve ratings over the current crap lower tier bowls most of the G5 gets.

Data point to watch: Ratings for the Peach Bowl at 12:30 January 1 on ESPN vs ratings for the Citrus Bowl (Notre Dame vs LSU) at 1:00 JAnuary 1 on ABC. The Peach Bowl is basically the G5's Superbowl this year--can UCF run the table and stay unbeaten against a near-playoff contender?

At the exact same time, on network TV, are two traditional mega-powers who had good, but not exceptional seasons.

UCF vs Auburn is the most casual-fan-friendly storyline and game the G5 or the AAC could ever ask for. And it's going head-to-head with a vanilla traditional-powers bowl. (Also Michigan vs South Carolina at noon on ESPN2, for that matter. But I expect the notable game on ESPN to beat the run-of-the-mill game on ESPN2 handily. The run-of-the-mill game on ABC, on the other hand....)
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If there is no money or interest in App v Toledo in the Dollar General Bowl why would there be money or interest in App v Toledo in a G5 semifinal?
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(12-27-2017 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:52 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  David I agree there is quality product in the G5.

Back in the non-BCS era it was basically Boise St, TCU, Utah and BYU that had any value. Programs like Houston, UCF, NIU, Ohio were building facilities over most of that time.

TCU, Utah and BYU were lost but you've added Cincinnati, USF, UConn from the BCS leagues plus the development of SBC programs like App St, Troy, Arkansas State.

My prediction when this G5 system was set up was instead of having 2-3 programs that are serious access bowl contenders eventually that list would be 8-10 deep. More depth in my opinion would necessitate a second access bowl in an NY8 system or a series of bowls for the non-CFP G5 champs vs. Top 25 P5 competition.

A G5 playoff IMO is not really needed. A second access bowl might be so conference championship games serve as more of a play-in than what they do now.


Under the WAc when Boise State was there, you had 4 teams that were a treat to the P5 at the time.

Boise State
UNR
Hawaii
Fresno State

One year, they had 4 finished in the top 35 voting. It was those 4. MWC only had TCU, Utah and BYU.
SBC had none
C-USA had Houston and Southern Miss. MAC had Northern Illinois and Miami.
Appalachian State already proved themselves when they beat Michigan.
Eastern Washington could be the next Boise State if they get an invite to the MWC. So could North Dakota State and South Dakota State. It seems that those 2 schools do have fan support who do travel to watch their teams play P5 schools.

What you are talking to with the FCS programs during that period is it was showing potential was there for a stronger non-P5 grouping at the top level.

With all of the programs that have moved from FCS to FBS this decade I think largely most of that potential is realized in the G5. The Dakota schools are outliers because of their unique location recruiting at the high FCS/G5 level into Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska states with no G5 team.

We are seeing App become a start in the G5 era. FAU/FIU have doubled down with Kiffin/Strong as coaches. Its taking the SBC and CUSA a little while for new stars to emerge but the value is there.


Appalachian State was already one of the best teams before they got invited to the SBC. They were a good add. They were already good before they joined.

What I'm saying is they continue to advance their name as they have moved into playing as a G5.
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(12-27-2017 10:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Stewart Mandell and Bruce Feldman have a podcast called “The Audible”. During the mailbag segment of the last two episodes they have been pushing the G5 Playoff concept. They think it would improve ratings over the current crap lower tier bowls most of the G5 gets.

I think they are probably correct in the short run—-but because it would eventually sentence the G5 to become the new FCS, the ratings would slowly trend downward as people begin to see it as the JV playoff. People are generall6 quite interested in determining the identity of the best college team in the nation. The identity of the 65th best team in the nation (which is how the G5 playoff would eventually be perceived) is far less compelling TV.

I think anything that aids in separating the G5 from the P5 is a bad idea from the G5 prospective (and it’s probably a bad long term idea from the P5 prospective as well). Of the G5 splits off, that’s probably 25% of the P5 audience splitting off, I don’t see that as a good thing long term for the top level of football.


I think before they do that? The P5 schools do see that there are some schools in the G5 that do get viewers, and could be a threat to them in the future of stealing the spotlight. They would grab schools like:
AAC:
Temple
Navy
UCF'
USF
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
SMU
Cincinnati

C-USA:
UTEP
UTSA
Southern Mississippi
Marshall
Western Kentucky

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Bowling Green

MWC:
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Boise State
UNR
UNLV
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico

Sun Belt:
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern

Ind:
Army
BYU

FCS:
Eastern Washington
Montana
James Madison
Towson
northern Iowa
south Dakota
South Dakota State
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Fordham at times
Chattanooga
McNeese State
UCA
Sam houston State

Several schools in G5 are not strong enough to beat a P5.

The top G5's would nothing to do with a watering down of the product and a G5 play off. My counterpoint answer to any G5 playoff would be create a nationwide G5 "super conference". If Im one of the top 16 G5 programs in the nation, the last thing in the world I want is a G5 playoff or to share a league with a bunch of newly elevated FCS schools. Those current top 16 G5 programs would be far better off exiting their current conferences to create a new G5 national super conference that dominiates the G5 access bowl.

Such a conference, if constructed properly, would have solid football and solid basketball---and would be (by far) the most desired and valuable G5 media property. Something like this--

Cinci
UConn
ECU
UCF
USF
Memphis
Houston
Navy
Army
LaTech
Boise
SDSU
Air Foce
BYU
Fresno
Col St

Basketball Only
Wichita
Gonzaga

You can play around with the membership--but basically something like that is going to be a better outcome for those top G5 programs than a G5 playoff. That G5 superconference probably has a reasonable shot to be included in any "Division 4" if the P5 breaks away. Besides, I have zero confidence that there is the pot of gold at the end of the G5 Playoff rainbow. There is simply no evidence that such a playoff would be worth the 100-150 million that Frazier claims it would be.
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(12-27-2017 11:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Stewart Mandell and Bruce Feldman have a podcast called “The Audible”. During the mailbag segment of the last two episodes they have been pushing the G5 Playoff concept. They think it would improve ratings over the current crap lower tier bowls most of the G5 gets.

Data point to watch: Ratings for the Peach Bowl at 12:30 January 1 on ESPN vs ratings for the Citrus Bowl (Notre Dame vs LSU) at 1:00 JAnuary 1 on ABC. The Peach Bowl is basically the G5's Superbowl this year--can UCF run the table and stay unbeaten against a near-playoff contender?

At the exact same time, on network TV, are two traditional mega-powers who had good, but not exceptional seasons.

UCF vs Auburn is the most casual-fan-friendly storyline and game the G5 or the AAC could ever ask for. And it's going head-to-head with a vanilla traditional-powers bowl. (Also Michigan vs South Carolina at noon on ESPN2, for that matter. But I expect the notable game on ESPN to beat the run-of-the-mill game on ESPN2 handily. The run-of-the-mill game on ABC, on the other hand....)

Not quite apple to apples, but close. One is on cable, the other OTA. OTA, tends to do better than cable. AAC championship game was a good apples to apples with some other P5 championships on at the same time.
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(12-27-2017 12:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 10:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Stewart Mandell and Bruce Feldman have a podcast called “The Audible”. During the mailbag segment of the last two episodes they have been pushing the G5 Playoff concept. They think it would improve ratings over the current crap lower tier bowls most of the G5 gets.

I think they are probably correct in the short run—-but because it would eventually sentence the G5 to become the new FCS, the ratings would slowly trend downward as people begin to see it as the JV playoff. People are generall6 quite interested in determining the identity of the best college team in the nation. The identity of the 65th best team in the nation (which is how the G5 playoff would eventually be perceived) is far less compelling TV.

I think anything that aids in separating the G5 from the P5 is a bad idea from the G5 prospective (and it’s probably a bad long term idea from the P5 prospective as well). Of the G5 splits off, that’s probably 25% of the P5 audience splitting off, I don’t see that as a good thing long term for the top level of football.


I think before they do that? The P5 schools do see that there are some schools in the G5 that do get viewers, and could be a threat to them in the future of stealing the spotlight. They would grab schools like:
AAC:
Temple
Navy
UCF'
USF
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
SMU
Cincinnati

C-USA:
UTEP
UTSA
Southern Mississippi
Marshall
Western Kentucky

MAC:
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Bowling Green

MWC:
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Boise State
UNR
UNLV
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico

Sun Belt:
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern

Ind:
Army
BYU

FCS:
Eastern Washington
Montana
James Madison
Towson
northern Iowa
south Dakota
South Dakota State
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Fordham at times
Chattanooga
McNeese State
UCA
Sam houston State

Several schools in G5 are not strong enough to beat a P5.

The top G5's would nothing to do with a watering down of the product and a G5 play off. My counterpoint answer to any G5 playoff would be create a nationwide G5 "super conference". If Im one of the top 16 G5 programs in the nation, the last thing in the world I want is a G5 playoff or to share a league with a bunch of newly elevated FCS schools. Those current top 16 G5 programs would be far better off exiting their current conferences to create a new G5 national super conference that dominiates the G5 access bowl.

Such a conference, if constructed properly, would have solid football and solid basketball---and would be (by far) the most desired and valuable G5 media property. Something like this--

Cinci
UConn
ECU
UCF
USF
Memphis
Houston
Navy
Army
LaTech
Boise
SDSU
Air Foce
BYU
Fresno
Col St

Basketball Only
Wichita
Gonzaga

You can play around with the membership--but basically something like that is going to be a better outcome for those top G5 programs than a G5 playoff. That G5 superconference probably has a reasonable shot to be included in any "Division 4" if the P5 breaks away. Besides, I have zero confidence that there is the pot of gold at the end of the G5 Playoff rainbow. There is simply no evidence that such a playoff would be worth the 100-150 million that Frazier claims it would be.


La. Tech is out. Army will stay where they are at.

I might look at this at it this way.

Boise State/Gonzaga
Fresno State/San Diego State
Colorado State/Air Force
North Dakota State/South Dakota State (both football and basketball are their strong sports.)
Wichita State/Missouri State
Houston/SMU
BYU/UNR
Memphis/Western Kentucky
Cincinnati/Toledo
UConn./UMass.
ECU/Temple
USF/UCF
Navy/James Madison

You could get paired up better this way. You could move Toledo out and replaced them with Dayton to compliment Navy's football only.

Basketball conference with these schools.

Wichita State
Missouri State
Gonzaga
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
UNR basketball is good this year.
Colorado State
Houston
SMU
Memphis
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
UConn.
UMass.
Temple
Western Kentucky
Dayton
Cincinnati
Could be one tough basketball conference right there alone.
You have:
Navy football only
Air Force all sports
Fresno State all sports
UCF and USf all sports
East Carolina all sports.

I put Missouri State in this lineup as the purpose for Wichita State to have a travel partner.
Both Dakota schools have pretty good with both money sports.
UConn. is left on an island, but they would like to have UMass. for a cheaper travel partner.
James Madison does have a pretty good football team that could be a threat to P5 schools.
Western Kentucky have shown that they could play ball with both sports.
Toledo have shown that they can beat an SEC foe.
I am wondering if East Carolina should be on here since both of their sports suck right now.

La. Tech is hot and cold right now in football. Western Kentucky is better in both sports from C-USA side.
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Does FCS not get good crowds and TV audience for the playoff games? If you eliminated the playoff and went to a system of FCS bowl games, would interest/attendance/viewership be better or worse?
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(12-29-2017 09:02 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Does FCS not get good crowds and TV audience for the playoff games? If you eliminated the playoff and went to a system of FCS bowl games, would interest/attendance/viewership be better or worse?

Worse. FCS has a much lower attendance average than FBS. The playoff games get a decent number of people in the stands because they are played on campus at home stadiums. If both teams had to travel it’s almost a certainly the attendance would drop.
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(12-29-2017 09:02 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Does FCS not get good crowds and TV audience for the playoff games? If you eliminated the playoff and went to a system of FCS bowl games, would interest/attendance/viewership be better or worse?


Most crowds or fans are not interested in seeing schools from the NEC, SWAC, Pioneer, Patriot, Big South, MEAC and some smaller weak conferences in the playoffs. If the G5 gets a playoffs? you would see a lot of the top FCS conferences want to leave the weaklings behind. The crowd will pick up for the playoffs then for the FCS schools.

P5 + AAc and MWC are the top tier of FBS.
C-USA, MAC, SBC, Big Sky, MVFC, CAA, Southern, OVC, Southland are the FBS tier 2 conferences.

NEC, Big South. half of MEAC, Fordham, some SWAC, GSC, GAC, Lone Star, GNAC, RMAC, The Minnesota schools, the Michigan schools, NW Missouri State, Central oklahoma, Shepherd, University of Charleston would be the top FCS level type schools.

MEAC, Pioneer, Patriot, IVY, SWAC, D2 HBCU conferences and several D3 schools would be the tier 2 FCS strength.

The issue is that You do have the same type interest crowds of Tier 1 FCS and the top D2 schools have a common bound and could work better.

The lower FCS schools are more like the D2 lower schools and most of D3 for non=scholarship. I read a comment from a Birmingham-Southern fan that they should not dropped down to D3 just to play football, but to stay in D1's A-SUN and play Pioneer League football. They would have Stetson and jacksonville close by to play.

This is how I view the D1, D2 and D3 should break down. Imagine if University of Chicago, U. Washington-Missouri, Johns Hopkins, Case western and some others stayed in D1 or be in D1 today? They would play all other sports against some of the like minded schools like the Big 10 in all sports but football. Washington-Missouri might have been picked to join the Big 10 over Missouri. Saint Louis is a larger tv market.
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(12-29-2017 10:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 09:02 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Does FCS not get good crowds and TV audience for the playoff games? If you eliminated the playoff and went to a system of FCS bowl games, would interest/attendance/viewership be better or worse?

Worse. FCS has a much lower attendance average than FBS. The playoff games get a decent number of people in the stands because they are played on campus at home stadiums. If both teams had to travel it’s almost a certainly the attendance would drop.



Most teams have woeful attendance for playoff games compared to regular season games. Yes, it's because the schools have to split the gate with the NCAA so they under-report, but it's usually a large drop between regular season and playoffs.
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(12-29-2017 10:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 09:02 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Does FCS not get good crowds and TV audience for the playoff games? If you eliminated the playoff and went to a system of FCS bowl games, would interest/attendance/viewership be better or worse?

Worse. FCS has a much lower attendance average than FBS. The playoff games get a decent number of people in the stands because they are played on campus at home stadiums. If both teams had to travel it’s almost a certainly the attendance would drop.


Eastern Washington, South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Weber State, Montana. Montana State, Delaware, James Madison and Jacksonville State are the few exceptions. Eastern Washington actually sell more tickets for temp seatings for playoff games. These schools show that they do get fan support than others. I can say the same thing for the top games in the SWAC like Alabama State Vs Tuskegee, Bethune-Cookman Vs. Florida A&M and southern Vs Grambling. The Celebration Bowl or the HBCUs Bowl do sometimes get more fans in the stand than some of the lower FBS bowls.It just depends on which schools that are playing. I do think the turnout would be higher if the top half of the FCS conferences join the FBS ranks. They may get a lower payout, but then you could create more bowls and that you could get a NIT type playoffs for teams not getting a bowl birth like Buffalo, Western Michigan and UTSA would be in the NIT type playoffs with some of the other 7-5 and 6-6 G5 schools with some of the lower FCS type schools while James Madison could have taken on UCF in the access bowl. North Dakota State could take on Northern illinois.
South Dakota State could take on Wyoming. UCA could take on Arkansas State in the Little Rock Bowl. Little Rock Bowl could be a SBC team vs a Southland conference winner. UCA was the winner of the Southland Conference. Jacksonville State could take on a Troy or if South Alabama was bowl eligible. You could get some very good interesting matched up.
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(12-27-2017 03:26 PM)otown Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 11:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 09:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Stewart Mandell and Bruce Feldman have a podcast called “The Audible”. During the mailbag segment of the last two episodes they have been pushing the G5 Playoff concept. They think it would improve ratings over the current crap lower tier bowls most of the G5 gets.

Data point to watch: Ratings for the Peach Bowl at 12:30 January 1 on ESPN vs ratings for the Citrus Bowl (Notre Dame vs LSU) at 1:00 JAnuary 1 on ABC. The Peach Bowl is basically the G5's Superbowl this year--can UCF run the table and stay unbeaten against a near-playoff contender?

At the exact same time, on network TV, are two traditional mega-powers who had good, but not exceptional seasons.

UCF vs Auburn is the most casual-fan-friendly storyline and game the G5 or the AAC could ever ask for. And it's going head-to-head with a vanilla traditional-powers bowl. (Also Michigan vs South Carolina at noon on ESPN2, for that matter. But I expect the notable game on ESPN to beat the run-of-the-mill game on ESPN2 handily. The run-of-the-mill game on ABC, on the other hand....)

Not quite apple to apples, but close. One is on cable, the other OTA. OTA, tends to do better than cable. AAC championship game was a good apples to apples with some other P5 championships on at the same time.
If you want your direct comparison then Michigan vs South Carolina playing at the same time on ESPN2 will be the direct comparison.
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(12-29-2017 11:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Eastern Washington, South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Weber State, Montana. Montana State, Delaware, James Madison and Jacksonville State are the few exceptions.

NDSU averaged 18607 during the regular season and 17784 for their playoff games.
JMU averaged 24841 during the regular season and 15491 for their playoff games.
SoDkSt averaged 13808 during the reg. season and 6699 for their playoff games.

EWU(2016) averaged 10201 during reg. season and 5489 during their playoff games.

That's the norm. Everyone has a big dropoff. NDSU is the best of the bunch, but everyone else is bad.
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(12-29-2017 11:25 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 11:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Eastern Washington, South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Weber State, Montana. Montana State, Delaware, James Madison and Jacksonville State are the few exceptions.

NDSU averaged 18607 during the regular season and 17784 for their playoff games.
JMU averaged 24841 during the regular season and 15491 for their playoff games.
SoDkSt averaged 13808 during the reg. season and 6699 for their playoff games.

EWU(2016) averaged 10201 during reg. season and 5489 during their playoff games.

That's the norm. Everyone has a big dropoff. NDSU is the best of the bunch, but everyone else is bad.


Eastern Washington had their stands filled when they won the FCS championship that year before NDSU was dominated. Their fans filled the seats in Frisco than Sam Houston State. The improvement for these FCS schools would increase if they played FBS schools. Would anybody want to play schools like University of San Diego, Southern Utah, Charleston Southern, Liberty, Presbyterian, C. Conn. State, Duquesne, Colgate, Lehigh, Fordham, Dayton and Drake? The top FCS schools and their fans wish these schools were not in the playoffs. Those schools are killing the FCS playoffs.
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RE: Casual Group Of 5 Playoff Talks Occurred?
(12-29-2017 11:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Eastern Washington had their stands filled when they won the FCS championship that year before NDSU was dominated. Their fans filled the seats in Frisco than Sam Houston State. The improvement for these FCS schools would increase if they played FBS schools. Would anybody want to play schools like University of San Diego, Southern Utah, Charleston Southern, Liberty, Presbyterian, C. Conn. State, Duquesne, Colgate, Lehigh, Fordham, Dayton and Drake? The top FCS schools and their fans wish these schools were not in the playoffs. Those schools are killing the FCS playoffs.


EWU had a playoff average attendance of 4775 during their 2010 FCS championship year.
The FCS national title that year only had 13027 people in the stands.
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