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The Last Jedi - NOW WITH SPOILERS!!!
Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.
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We have a tradition to go see a movie on Christmas afternoon and the past couple of years it's been Star Wars. Looking forward to seeing it in 10 days!
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(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?
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(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Latilleon, edit the title to include spoilers. There's some things we gotta discuss.

LOVED this movie.
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(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.
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(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

Yep, at first it was amusing, then I was kind of irritated by it. Different director, different strokes.
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(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.
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Had to sleep on it, and I'm gonna need to see it again....but Rey not being "special" does tie in with the ending, with the little boy using the Force on the broom. There are more out there who are strong with the Force than previously known about, and that's how this story is allowed to continue. With Luke gone, the only one left in the Skywalker family is Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.

By the way.....Mark Hamill played Luke to absolute perfection. His ending couldn't have been better.
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(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I believe production was already completely wrapped before Carrie passed away. I'm interested to see how it's addressed in Episode 9.

And actually, I could be wrong, but I believe Leia was supposed to be a major factor in the last one. The Force Awakens was Han's story. The Last Jedi focuses on Luke, and the last one was supposed to focus on Leia.
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(12-15-2017 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I believe production was already completely wrapped before Carrie passed away. I'm interested to see how it's addressed in Episode 9.

And actually, I could be wrong, but I believe Leia was supposed to be a major factor in the last one. The Force Awakens was Han's story. The Last Jedi focuses on Luke, and the last one was supposed to focus on Leia.

Maybe I've got my wires crossed, then. I swear I read somewhere that even before Carrie Fisher's death, Leia's storyline was pretty much done after ep. 8.

Regardless, I'm wondering how JJ Abrams will handle it in 9....unless he did a few scenes while they were all together for 8 & he's not letting on (I also think he's said he won't CGI her in).
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(12-15-2017 12:15 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Had to sleep on it, and I'm gonna need to see it again....but Rey not being "special" does tie in with the ending, with the little boy using the Force on the broom. There are more out there who are strong with the Force than previously known about, and that's how this story is allowed to continue. With Luke gone, the only one left in the Skywalker family is Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.

By the way.....Mark Hamill played Luke to absolute perfection. His ending couldn't have been better.

Kinda follows the same arc as the ending of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (hey, no cheap shots) in that "everyone" can be like her.
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(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I suspect he was lying. Just like he lied about exactly what happened with Luke. Just like he lied about what happened with Snoke.

I don’t like that Snoke was never explained. Who was he? How did he come to power? Where was he during the reign of Palpetine?

The more I think of it, the more I think it is an immation or Empire. Not as bad as TFA was a beat for beat copy of Star Wars, but it still did a little too much narrative sampling.
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(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."
(EDIT: with Snoke playing them both, maybe not)

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...maybe we'll see in ep 9 that Rey & Kylo still do indeed have a connection not created by Snoke.

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection & grow from there.
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(12-15-2017 12:36 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I believe production was already completely wrapped before Carrie passed away. I'm interested to see how it's addressed in Episode 9.

And actually, I could be wrong, but I believe Leia was supposed to be a major factor in the last one. The Force Awakens was Han's story. The Last Jedi focuses on Luke, and the last one was supposed to focus on Leia.

Maybe I've got my wires crossed, then. I swear I read somewhere that even before Carrie Fisher's death, Leia's storyline was pretty much done after ep. 8.

Regardless, I'm wondering how JJ Abrams will handle it in 9....unless he did a few scenes while they were all together for 8 & he's not letting on (I also think he's said he won't CGI her in).

Since she was the last of the three, I’m sure she had a role in 9. What will probably happen is in the crawl, she succumbs to her injuries from TLJ.

Since you’re the girl around here 03-wink

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.
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(12-15-2017 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  I don’t like that Snoke was never explained. Who was he? How did he come to power? Where was he during the reign of Palpetine?

Where does the Han Solo movie fall in the timeline? Maybe we'll have some answers from it?

Side note: I didn't catch the significance of the dice - this is an interesting read.
https://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-la...gold-dice/
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(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:36 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I believe production was already completely wrapped before Carrie passed away. I'm interested to see how it's addressed in Episode 9.

And actually, I could be wrong, but I believe Leia was supposed to be a major factor in the last one. The Force Awakens was Han's story. The Last Jedi focuses on Luke, and the last one was supposed to focus on Leia.

Maybe I've got my wires crossed, then. I swear I read somewhere that even before Carrie Fisher's death, Leia's storyline was pretty much done after ep. 8.

Regardless, I'm wondering how JJ Abrams will handle it in 9....unless he did a few scenes while they were all together for 8 & he's not letting on (I also think he's said he won't CGI her in).

Since she was the last of the three, I’m sure she had a role in 9. What will probably happen is in the crawl, she succumbs to her injuries from TLJ.

...which would COMPLETELY suck. All that, and you get a line in the crawl when you die. Dammit, Carrie...
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(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  I don’t like that Snoke was never explained. Who was he? How did he come to power? Where was he during the reign of Palpetine?

Where does the Han Solo movie fall in the timeline? Maybe we'll have some answers from it?

Side note: I didn't catch the significance of the dice - this is an interesting read.
https://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-la...gold-dice/

After ROTS and before RO.

Figured the dice were just something of Han’s.
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Some quick early reactions:
Overall really liked it, especially after letting it digest for a few hours.
I like the themes of failure and of starting over. It really juxtaposes the idea of hope and the idea of failure.
The casino scene seems a little forced at first, but the idea behind it has never been really portrayed in that way. A class structure with a cultural elite outside of the empire/ first order and such a class' inherent evils. It is an evil outside of the force vs dark side dichotomy. And, as shown in the last scene, it speaks to a greater potential source of good in the oppressed under class.
The scenes between Rey and Kylo seemed a little odd until you find out that it is Snoke that is forcing them together. then they become almost creepy. Both Rey and Kylo are pawns in his game.
Only part I didn't care for was Benecio del Toro's character. He seemed underdeveloped and eventually pointless. At the bare minimum, it would have been better to kill him off rather than have him confusingly turn them in. And, was the whole thing a trap or ploy that he was a part of, or did he turn on them in some unshown scene.
Going into the next movie there is basically a blank canvas. They are not tied to a legacy character unless they want to be. They are not really tied to explaining a back story unless they want to. They can literally take the remaining characters in any direction they want.
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(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Since you’re the girl around here 03-wink

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.

Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at Luke's reaction.

I thought Daisy did look a little different - her face was more round, IMO.

What do ya'll think about Rose? IMO, I didn't really feel like she was all that sympathetic of a character.
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(12-15-2017 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
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(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

I suspect he was lying. Just like he lied about exactly what happened with Luke. Just like he lied about what happened with Snoke.

I don’t like that Snoke was never explained. Who was he? How did he come to power? Where was he during the reign of Palpetine?

The more I think of it, the more I think it is an immation or Empire. Not as bad as TFA was a beat for beat copy of Star Wars, but it still did a little too much narrative sampling.

Yeah, that was odd. There should have been some background in TFA. Certainly, in TLJ Luke could have explained Snoke's ascension while interacting with Rey--again--part of my main beef was the lack of development between them.

It was odd. Rey goes all the way there. Follows him around for days, he ignores her. He finally relents and puts her through a couple trainings then she leaves to confront Kylo and Snoke without much objection or guidance from Luke.
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