In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

This type of configuration is why the old Big East couldn't make it as a football conference.

No, the thing to do would be try to maintain the football conference. You left out Memphis. Add Army, Southern Miss, Marshall, ODU and one or both of the FxUs and you have a reasonably good conference.

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

That's a huge raid by the Big XII.

I'm not sure what the AAC does in that situation. Filling ranks depends on who is available and what the new top level looks like...

My guess is this:

Temple and UConn to the Big East. All six likely go Indy and sign scheduling agreements for November. Backfilling does more harm than good, and Independence > bottom G5 TV contracts.

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

Navy probably drops their affiliation now that the Texas schools left.

Big 12 would likely have Texas Tech since the PAC 12 won't get the Texhoma 4. So leave SMU in AAC

East:
UMass.
ODU
Temple
East Carolina
UConn.
Ohio U.

West:
SMU
Navy/Wichita State
Tulsa
Tulane
Southern Mississippi
Rice

Lotsa drugs in this thread...

Lotsa lotsa drugs.

(12-15-2017 10:39 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

That's a huge raid by the Big XII.

I'm not sure what the AAC does in that situation. Filling ranks depends on who is available and what the new top level looks like...

My guess is this:

Temple and UConn to the Big East. All six likely go Indy and sign scheduling agreements for November. Backfilling does more harm than good, and Independence > bottom G5 TV contracts.

Over Villanova's dead body (at least for Temple)

With UConn/UCF/USF/Cincy/Memphis/Houston gone, Army maintains independence at that point. Add UMass, Marshall, Toledo, NIU, Southern Miss, & Rice.

Travel Partners:
UMass/Temple
Marshall/ECU
NIU/Toledo
Wichita/Tulsa
SMU/Rice
Tulane/Southern Miss

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

What's in it for the A10 schools? Maybe the A10 would take Wichita State instead and call it a day.

If that is the conference, UConn will drop football and go back to the Big East. End of story.

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

The AAC is positioning itself as the conference of last value behind the P5 so I would think something like this could be in the works to preserve multi-bid basketball league status.

If one thinks about it, the logical replacements for Cincinnati and Houston would be St. Louis and Dayton on the basketball side and sticking at 10 for football. This way you split the CFP money less ways while maintaining a strong basketball footprint in the Midwest.

If its one departure, Western Kentucky seems like the school that does it all for you; fills a geographic hole, brings very good basketball, brings solid football. They will not let the AAC down unlike a few other candidates.

(12-16-2017 11:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The AAC is positioning itself as the conference of last value behind the P5 so I would think something like this could be in the works to preserve multi-bid basketball league status.

If one thinks about it, the logical replacements for Cincinnati and Houston would be St. Louis and Dayton on the basketball side and sticking at 10 for football. This way you split the CFP money less ways while maintaining a strong basketball footprint in the Midwest.

If its one departure, Western Kentucky seems like the school that does it all for you; fills a geographic hole, brings very good basketball, brings solid football. They will not let the AAC down unlike a few other candidates.

That was what I was aiming for in this hypoyhetical AAC.

I agree with the poster who said that Navy would probably bail. It may not happen right away depending on the timing of moves, but I think they wind up being replaced by two “Western Kentucky” types with strong basketball and football:

West - Tulsa, Tulane, Northern Illinois, WKU, UAB
East - UConn, UMass, Temple, Old Dominion, ECU

I suppose if ODU doesn’t have enough support with VCU and George Mason already on board, then maybe reach into the MAC an Ohio school and give NIU a protected crossover in football.

(12-16-2017 12:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The AAC is positioning itself as the conference of last value behind the P5 so I would think something like this could be in the works to preserve multi-bid basketball league status.

If one thinks about it, the logical replacements for Cincinnati and Houston would be St. Louis and Dayton on the basketball side and sticking at 10 for football. This way you split the CFP money less ways while maintaining a strong basketball footprint in the Midwest.

If its one departure, Western Kentucky seems like the school that does it all for you; fills a geographic hole, brings very good basketball, brings solid football. They will not let the AAC down unlike a few other candidates.

That was what I was aiming for in this hypoyhetical AAC.

I agree with the poster who said that Navy would probably bail. It may not happen right away depending on the timing of moves, but I think they wind up being replaced by two “Western Kentucky” types with strong basketball and football:

West - Tulsa, Tulane, Northern Illinois, WKU, UAB
East - UConn, UMass, Temple, Old Dominion, ECU

I suppose if ODU doesn’t have enough support with VCU and George Mason already on board, then maybe reach into the MAC an Ohio school and give NIU a protected crossover in football.

There are some issues going from the MAC to AAC.

Enormous increase in travel costs, at least a 2 million dollar increase. Its also rough on the student athlete missing class time.

Enormous increase in coaching salaries. The highest paid coach in the MAC makes 1.2 million per year. There are basketball and football coaches in the AAC that are making 3-4 million dollars a year.

So if you are looking at a raided AAC if you are a MAC school is it worth joining? It might not be at the end of the day.

AAC definitely offers Toledo if 5-6 are poached. They have a more proven, reliable FB/BB/facilities combo than any CUSA/SBELT/MAC out there, imo.

(12-16-2017 09:50 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If that is the conference, UConn will drop football and go back to the Big East. End of story.

If UConn gets left behind which I doubt they would stay in the AAC as FB only and returned the rest of their sports to the BE.

(12-17-2017 12:06 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 09:50 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If that is the conference, UConn will drop football and go back to the Big East. End of story.

If UConn gets left behind which I doubt they would stay in the AAC as FB only and returned the rest of their sports to the BE.

I don't see why the AAC would want a mediocre football affiliate without UConn basketball.

(12-16-2017 01:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 12:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:41 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The AAC is positioning itself as the conference of last value behind the P5 so I would think something like this could be in the works to preserve multi-bid basketball league status.

If one thinks about it, the logical replacements for Cincinnati and Houston would be St. Louis and Dayton on the basketball side and sticking at 10 for football. This way you split the CFP money less ways while maintaining a strong basketball footprint in the Midwest.

If its one departure, Western Kentucky seems like the school that does it all for you; fills a geographic hole, brings very good basketball, brings solid football. They will not let the AAC down unlike a few other candidates.

That was what I was aiming for in this hypoyhetical AAC.

I agree with the poster who said that Navy would probably bail. It may not happen right away depending on the timing of moves, but I think they wind up being replaced by two “Western Kentucky” types with strong basketball and football:

West - Tulsa, Tulane, Northern Illinois, WKU, UAB
East - UConn, UMass, Temple, Old Dominion, ECU

I suppose if ODU doesn’t have enough support with VCU and George Mason already on board, then maybe reach into the MAC an Ohio school and give NIU a protected crossover in football.

There are some issues going from the MAC to AAC.

Enormous increase in travel costs, at least a 2 million dollar increase. Its also rough on the student athlete missing class time.

Enormous increase in coaching salaries. The highest paid coach in the MAC makes 1.2 million per year. There are basketball and football coaches in the AAC that are making 3-4 million dollars a year.

So if you are looking at a raided AAC if you are a MAC school is it worth joining? It might not be at the end of the day.

U@Buffalo has already expressed non-interest due to the higher costs.

(12-15-2017 10:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 09:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  In the future, after the Big 12 - or should we say what’s left of the Big 12 - raids the American, it now looks like this:

West - BYU, Colorado State, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU
East - Kansas State, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF

which leaves the American looking like this:

Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Navy (football only)/Wichita State (no football)
Temple
UConn

The Big East has announced it is not pursuing expansion

Would it be pragmatic to raid the Atlantic 10?

Tulsa
Wichita State (no football)
Saint Louis (no football)
Northern Illinois
Tulane
Dayton (no football)
Western Kentucky
UConn
UMass
Temple
George Mason
VCU (no football)
East Carolina
Davidson (no football)
Navy (football only)

Navy probably drops their affiliation now that the Texas schools left.

Very possible

If UT, n OU left the big12 the AAC would look more attractive and seriously doubt BYU would want to join that league minus UT and OU.

Let's not forget after the 2 big boys leave the big12 so will their grossly overpaid tv contract.