(12-19-2017 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So noone can explain why we need this once Obamacare passed?

No one is answering because you are asking a bogus question. Chip is a well run and important program that insures poor children. It was in place long before the ACA and addressed that segment of the population well, thus the ACA didn't need address that segment.

CHIP federal funding expired in September. The Trump administration has not renewed it. This means 5 million children will be without health insurance once the money runs out.

It's hasn't got much press but Republican haven't done a damn thing about it.

(12-19-2017 11:35 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So noone can explain why we need this once Obamacare passed?

No one is answering because you are asking a bogus question. Chip is a well run and important program that insures poor children. It was in place long before the ACA and addressed that segment of the population well, thus the ACA didn't need address that segment.

Well, if its a well run program, then we know it has nothing to do with Obamacare.

I'm ok with this program being extended, as long as they repeal Obamacare. But they arent to touch this program until they fix my insurance debacle.

(12-19-2017 09:08 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Programs...........


Now look righties another lesson here. I claim that Alabama is freezing their enrollment into a govt. program. Next thing I am going to do is post a link to back up my claims. Now you are at a disadvantage here. FoxNews or Pajamas media isn't going to be reporting on these issues anytime soon. Probably for the vast majority on this site this is the first you have probably heard of CHIP or the cutting of it under Trump's GOP. These tax cuts for the rich have to be paid for somewhere, but here is the gist of the issue. If you are a poor kid in Pro Life Alabama and you get sick. Your life depends upon charity.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/...story.html

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/stor...899083001/


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/365...-two-weeks


Alabama will freeze enrollment in its children's health insurance program soon if Congress doesn't reauthorize funding for the program.

The state announced Monday that it would no longer enroll children in its "ALL Kids" program for low-income children, starting on Jan. 1, because Congress has not yet reauthorized funding for the program.

Federal funding for the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) expired at the end of September, but states weren't expected to run out of money until the end of the year or early next year.

Some states have already sent out notices to families telling them their coverage might be canceled if Congress doesn't act soon to reauthorize the program.




but you know those tax cuts for the Kochs is priority numero uno.


We all should be pissed about this. Not just Democrats.

I'm not a resident of Alabama. I have no say in what Alabama does.

However, as a Tennessean who witnessed the FLOTUS HilLIARy health care plan debacle piloted in TN known as TennCare, I can share my opinion that government funded and government run health programs are ineffective and cost prohibitive.

As her initiative fell apart at the federal level she worked with AlGore to have her plan implemented in his home state of TN.

At the time Tennessee and North Carolina were dubbed as the most fiscally sound states in the nation. The fact that TN was the most fiscally sound is incredible when you consider that, unlike North Carolina, Tennessee has NO STATE INCOME TAX.

TennCare was great! It covered everybody! It was free! Well, free from a user's perspective. I mean, tax payers funded it.

Anyway, it was great! It covered everything for everybody.

But then money started running out. Go figure, huh.

Why did $$$ run out? Because it was like being at a buffet. Pile as much of everything on your plate. Who cares!

Also, rampant corruption set in.

Eventually, they scaled coverage back to the disabled and children. There still wasn't enough money to cover the costs.

During this time, TN went from one of the two most fiscally sound states to the lowest tier of least fiscally sound.

We can discuss this, debate this, talk about this, but those are the facts. That's what happened.

There is more than ample documentation on this in the webisphere. Just like there's plenty of documentation about Hawaii's attempt to cover all children. After 7 months they shut down their program because of the unanticipated additional costs from too many children being signed up for the program.

It seems Hawaii planned for underprivileged children but they didn't think that EVERYBODY would move their children off their own healthcare plan onto Hawaii's plan.

Think about it. You have medical coverage through your employer. You cover your entire family. Your state says they will start covering children. You can pay taxes to cover other people's children and pay for your employer plan to cover your children -- OR -- you can drop your children from your plan thereby lowering your monthly premium and add your children to Hawaii's utopia plan.

Well, it went belly up in less than a year.

So two examples of programs providing extensive health care for citizens both went belly up. In TN's case it almost bankrupted our state.



Here's the point: two states implemented government funded health care programs. Both programs exploded. I don't know the aftermath of Hawaii's but TN struggled for several years to return to financially solvency.


If a state is tied to federal programs you can bet that there will be some fiscal issues.

Somebody has to pay -- either the people who provide tax dollars or people who take those tax dollars.

(12-19-2017 10:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So, Obamacare is so great that we spend trillions on it,


Please cite evidence that we have spent trillions on Obamacare......... pleases and thank yous Fredo 1.

Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange.

(12-19-2017 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  CHIP federal funding expired in September. The Trump administration has not renewed it. This means 5 million children will be without health insurance once the money runs out.

It's hasn't got much press but Republican haven't done a damn thing about it.

Crybaby kimmel cried about it.

This is also fake news. It's funded through March, and the stopgap bill passed this month approved a provision to shift funds to states that run out of money before that. The GOP is also looking for funding by raising Medicare premiums on the wealthy.

That's right. Taking money from the wealthy and giving it to the poor.

TDS.

(12-19-2017 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So noone can explain why we need this once Obamacare passed?

to be fair, the concern is once the penalty is eliminated from the current tax bill, the concern reverts back to why CHIP....

nobody wants to really debate the reality of consequence.....

both arguments are a concern....

again, I contend the poor will be taken care of regardless as req'd......none of this is cut and dry, single statement solution.....the cons will respond as necessary once their wheel starts spinning....

right now, the tards are in a tizzy they can't escape.......deservedly so......

(12-19-2017 09:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't they just use faith healing in that state anyways.

Shamans, organic foods and herbal teas. Industrialized medicine causes global warming. Bama elected a Democrat.

"Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange."

You seem quite confused on what actually is evidence to support your claims. You did not cite this. http://www.pulleditoutofmyass doesn't count homeboy.

Please cite evidence for what you claim...............

Anyone else seeing a pattern here??????????????

(12-19-2017 01:27 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange."

You seem quite confused on what actually is evidence to support your claims. You did not cite this. http://www.pulleditoutofmyass doesn't count homeboy.

Please cite evidence for what you claim...............

Anyone else seeing a pattern here??????????????

Oh, yeah. The pattern has been clear since last November.

(12-19-2017 01:27 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange."

You seem quite confused on what actually is evidence to support your claims. You did not cite this. http://www.pulleditoutofmyass doesn't count homeboy.

Please cite evidence for what you claim...............

Anyone else seeing a pattern here??????????????

PolitiFact
By Louis Jacobson on Tuesday, July 14th, 2015 at 3:00 p.m.

Donald Trump says the '$5 billion website for Obamacare … never worked. Still doesn't work'

Quote:The cost of the website has been a bone of contention ever since its launch, partly because federal contracting is complex, involving some 60 major contracts. Our friends at the Washington Post Fact Checker grappled with this question over the course of two separate reports that included several interim updates as new data surfaced.

Officially, the Department of Health and Human Services says the website cost $834 million. That’s the number offered by then-HHS Secretary-designate Sylvia Mathews Burwell at a Senate hearing on May 8, 2014.

Quote:Not everyone has taken that figure at face value.
...
Using this broader net, Bloomberg Government came up with a figure of $2.1 billion.

Quote:Using a provision of the Affordable Care Act, the federal government has spent nearly $5 billion in a series of grants to states to establish health care exchanges, according to tabulations made by both the Congressional Research Service and the Kaiser Family Foundation.

So, the feds spend anywhere from $834M to $2.1B for the fed exchanged and kicked in almost $5B for state exchanges.

(12-19-2017 01:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:27 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange."

You seem quite confused on what actually is evidence to support your claims. You did not cite this. http://www.pulleditoutofmyass doesn't count homeboy.

Please cite evidence for what you claim...............

Anyone else seeing a pattern here??????????????

PolitiFact
By Louis Jacobson on Tuesday, July 14th, 2015 at 3:00 p.m.

Donald Trump says the '$5 billion website for Obamacare … never worked. Still doesn't work'

Quote:The cost of the website has been a bone of contention ever since its launch, partly because federal contracting is complex, involving some 60 major contracts. Our friends at the Washington Post Fact Checker grappled with this question over the course of two separate reports that included several interim updates as new data surfaced.

Officially, the Department of Health and Human Services says the website cost $834 million. That’s the number offered by then-HHS Secretary-designate Sylvia Mathews Burwell at a Senate hearing on May 8, 2014.

Quote:Not everyone has taken that figure at face value.
...
Using this broader net, Bloomberg Government came up with a figure of $2.1 billion.

Quote:Using a provision of the Affordable Care Act, the federal government has spent nearly $5 billion in a series of grants to states to establish health care exchanges, according to tabulations made by both the Congressional Research Service and the Kaiser Family Foundation.

So, the feds spend anywhere from $834M to $2.1B for the fed exchanged and kicked in almost $5B for state exchanges.

#puristinsanity

again, the fight is against the numbers of those with and those w/o.....

the game is not so amazingly different today......it's now my turn to point out the obvious......and I don't trim my nails anymore (until a mod ***** with me )

Great summary on Tenncare. I can see it was ignored.

Libs will eat their young if it makes them feel empowered. And yet, they still have no power.

(12-19-2017 02:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  Libs will eat their young if it makes them feel empowered. And yet, they still have no power.

So are you for or against fully funding CHIP?

(12-19-2017 02:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  Libs will eat their young if it makes them feel empowered. And yet, they still have no power.

Yeah, I think they just like to eat their young.

Yeah, we just use faith healing and leaches down here. Wish I could be as educated as someone from Ohio.

Signed,

An Alabama nurse practitioner

So how do you feel about Alabama freezing CHIP enrollment.

(12-19-2017 03:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So how do you feel about Alabama freezing CHIP enrollment.

I don't do pediatrics, so I don't really know much about it. But if the money isn't there then its at least the smart thing to do for now.

(12-19-2017 01:27 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "Minnesota, alone, spent about 300 million on their exchange creation... That's just the creation of the exchange, none of the services and subsidies provided by the exchange."

You seem quite confused on what actually is evidence to support your claims. You did not cite this. http://www.pulleditoutofmyass doesn't count homeboy.

Please cite evidence for what you claim...............

Anyone else seeing a pattern here??????????????

TDS seems to have put you in a bad mood...

http://www.startribune.com/dump-mnsure-m...310551021/

Quote:Minnesota received about $155 million in federal grants to launch MNsure, but the exchange suffered from a balky website and overwhelmed call center in the months following its launch in October 2013. There were significantly fewer problems during a second open enrollment period that started in November 2014, as MNsure added staff and improved its technology.

MNsure received $34 million more in federal grant money late last year, in part to fund ongoing fixes to the IT system. It continues to cause trouble for state and county workers who use MNsure for people enrolled in Medicaid and MinnesotaCare insurance.

The grant triggered Medicaid spending that takes the MNsure tab to more than $250 million, Republicans say.

And it's wasted a shaq ton of money in its operating state giving out 115$ million in incorrect benefits back in 2015. Iy has been a total disaster and this one state alone has spent 250 million in setup and hundreds of millions in operational expenses.

Hawaii spent 205 million on a site which never worked...

Between those two states the exchanges spent half a billion in setup and had a 50% success rate.