(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

(12-26-2017 04:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 04:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

It does depend on if two brand names G5 schools with winning records takes on each other before Christmas are the ones usually do garner a lot of viewers. Sadly, they matched good teams against the worst teams recently.

True, but then again, 'brand name' G5 are very scarce. Boise? BYU as an honorary G5? Navy brings some patriotic cachet? And even those are minor brands.

Just to set the record straight BYU is not a P5 school.


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(12-26-2017 11:17 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 04:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 04:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

It does depend on if two brand names G5 schools with winning records takes on each other before Christmas are the ones usually do garner a lot of viewers. Sadly, they matched good teams against the worst teams recently.

True, but then again, 'brand name' G5 are very scarce. Boise? BYU as an honorary G5? Navy brings some patriotic cachet? And even those are minor brands.

Just to set the record straight BYU is not a P5 school.

To set the record straight, i never said they were. They are an independent, so don't technically belong to the P5 or G5, but i always lump them (and Army) in as G5.

Big 12 gets off the 0-fer with Kansas State's impressive second half comeback win over UCLA in the Cactus Bowl.

Good game!

An interesting sidebar this bowl season is that, if all the favorites win from here on out, the B1G would finish bowl season with an 8-0 record, and the PAC would finish at 1-8. That isn't likely, of course, as favotites are only winning at a 52% rate so far. But it would seem like the B1G got a favorable draw this year.

Jjoey52, just to set the record strait If ISU were in a non autonomous conference y’all would be middle of the road team, maybe, and yeah, wasn’t much of a beat down for my cougars , Fresno st was the better team by far...

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

My take is mostly because they are after Christmas. A lot of people on vacation and can pay attention to football games. Also, they tend to have ranked teams playing against each other that makes the bowl games more interesting.

From ESPN

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For the "too many bowls" crowd...through the first 20 bowl games of 2017 - 18 on ESPN and two on ABC – viewership is up 12% compared to last season’s first 20 games. More big numbers coming tomorrow with Alamo.
o This year: 2,240,000 viewers
o Last year: 2,003,000 viewers

(12-29-2017 02:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From ESPN

Burke Magnus
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For the "too many bowls" crowd...through the first 20 bowl games of 2017 - 18 on ESPN and two on ABC – viewership is up 12% compared to last season’s first 20 games. More big numbers coming tomorrow with Alamo.
o This year: 2,240,000 viewers
o Last year: 2,003,000 viewers

And game attendance is? I suspect down

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

My take is mostly because they are after Christmas. A lot of people on vacation and can pay attention to football games. Also, they tend to have ranked teams playing against each other that makes the bowl games more interesting.

Doesn't that tend to support the "between P5 teams" side as well?

(12-25-2017 02:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Some of the 6-6 P5 games after Christmas loses the interests of casual fans as the games get less viewers than several G5 top teams that played before Christmas. I would like to see some tweaks where the 6-6 P5 teams play before Christmas while the winning g5 programs that do draw viewers get some of those slots. Sometimes fans of a 6-6 P5 teams will not travel since they are not even excited about their team lack of success in the season.

Not only that, why do they have to cram in all the games between 12/16 and New Years Day. No University starts spring semester the day after NYD, Bowl games played Friday Nite 1/5 or Saturday 1/6 would get better ratings and almost certainly draw a better crowd than a midweek game..

After NYD the only college football remaining is the FCS title game scheduled for 11AM on Sat 1/6 and the D1 title game on Monday 1/8. Why schedule 5 games on 12/15 when 1/5 and 1/6 are wide open, Why schedule midweek afternoon games everyday from 12/26 to 12/29 when you could have Fri nite 1/5 or Saturday afternoon or evening of 1/6. Makes no sense.

(12-29-2017 08:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 06:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  N.C. State Vs Vanderbilt game was #37 with 1.27 million viewers. This was December 26th. A day after Christmas. This was last year.

Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

My take is mostly because they are after Christmas. A lot of people on vacation and can pay attention to football games. Also, they tend to have ranked teams playing against each other that makes the bowl games more interesting.

Doesn't that tend to support the "between P5 teams" side as well?

There is talk that there are way too many P5 teams that are over ranked, and G5 teams are under ranked. This year, we are seeing some over ranked teams losing their bowl games while under ranked teams taking out their opponents big time. Oregon was over ranked. They should have been a lot lower. Virginia is over ranked, but Navy was under ranked. It was proven that 2 highly ranked teams from the G5 GROUP COULD draw a lot of eyeballs. That was the year that 2 G5 schools played each other in the Fiesta Bowl as both were unbeaten and both ranked inside the top 5. That was Boise State and TCU. If Boise State could get the MWC to add 2 eastern schools like UTEP and UTSA? They could go unbeaten on the west side over San Diego State and Fresno state. MWC have Boise State, Fresno State and San Diego State beaten teams that are ranked higher than them.

(12-29-2017 10:30 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Right, but it's also true that the 15 highest-rated bowl matchups last year were all post-Christmas, and all but one of those were P5 vs P5 (the one exception was the P5 vs G5 NY6 Access game), and 20 of the first 21 were. IOW's, of the top 20 highest rated bowls, exactly one was a pre-Christmas G5 vs G5 game.

So if it makes you feel better that it's only true that that overwhelming majority, and not literally 100%, of the 20 highest-rated bowl games are post-Christmas P5 vs P5, and that yes, there are examples of pre-Christmas G5 bowls having higher ratings than some post-Christmas P5 bowls, then, well, revel in that fact i guess.

So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

My take is mostly because they are after Christmas. A lot of people on vacation and can pay attention to football games. Also, they tend to have ranked teams playing against each other that makes the bowl games more interesting.

Doesn't that tend to support the "between P5 teams" side as well?

There is talk that there are way too many P5 teams that are over ranked, and G5 teams are under ranked. This year, we are seeing some over ranked teams losing their bowl games while under ranked teams taking out their opponents big time. Oregon was over ranked. They should have been a lot lower. Virginia is over ranked, but Navy was under ranked. It was proven that 2 highly ranked teams from the G5 GROUP COULD draw a lot of eyeballs. That was the year that 2 G5 schools played each other in the Fiesta Bowl as both were unbeaten and both ranked inside the top 5. That was Boise State and TCU. If Boise State could get the MWC to add 2 eastern schools like UTEP and UTSA? They could go unbeaten on the west side over San Diego State and Fresno state. MWC have Boise State, Fresno State and San Diego State beaten teams that are ranked higher than them.

Not surprisingly, the talk about G5 teams being underranked tends to come from G5 fans.

(12-29-2017 10:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 10:30 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  So, are those games highly rated because they are played after Christmas, or are they highly rated because they are between P5 teams? Or is there some other reason?

My take is mostly because they are after Christmas. A lot of people on vacation and can pay attention to football games. Also, they tend to have ranked teams playing against each other that makes the bowl games more interesting.

Doesn't that tend to support the "between P5 teams" side as well?

There is talk that there are way too many P5 teams that are over ranked, and G5 teams are under ranked. This year, we are seeing some over ranked teams losing their bowl games while under ranked teams taking out their opponents big time. Oregon was over ranked. They should have been a lot lower. Virginia is over ranked, but Navy was under ranked. It was proven that 2 highly ranked teams from the G5 GROUP COULD draw a lot of eyeballs. That was the year that 2 G5 schools played each other in the Fiesta Bowl as both were unbeaten and both ranked inside the top 5. That was Boise State and TCU. If Boise State could get the MWC to add 2 eastern schools like UTEP and UTSA? They could go unbeaten on the west side over San Diego State and Fresno state. MWC have Boise State, Fresno State and San Diego State beaten teams that are ranked higher than them.

Not surprisingly, the talk about G5 teams being underranked tends to come from G5 fans.

If Boise State went 13-0 going into the bowl game this year? They would have been ranked in the top 5 because of their past performance. They do get more of the love than any other G5 schools.

To date, the average MOV in games between two P5 teams has been 12.1 (8 games in all). In the 12 G5 vs G5 games, the average MOV has been 21.3, while P5 vs G5 shows an average MOV of 21.4 (5 games).

In only 8 out of 25 games has the MOV been a touchdown or less. On the whole, these haven't been the most exciting games to watch. That's surprising, since the point spreads were a touchdown or less in all but two of those games (FAU-Akron and FSU-So Miss).

The B1G wins the Bowl Challenge, along with every other measure of OOC performance this year. The standings:

B1G... .875..(7-1)
SBC... .800..(4-1)
B12... .625..(5-3)
AAC... .571..(4-3)
MWC.. .500..(3-3)
SEC... .444..(4-5)
USA... .444..(4-5)
ACC... .400..(4-6)
MAC... .200..(1-4)
PAC.... .111..(1-8)

(01-02-2018 11:00 AM)ken d Wrote:  The B1G wins the Bowl Challenge, along with every other measure of OOC performance this year. The standings:

B1G... .875..(7-1)
SBC... .800..(4-1)
B12... .625..(5-3)
AAC... .571..(4-3)
MWC.. .500..(3-3)
SEC... .444..(4-5)
USA... .444..(4-5)
ACC... .400..(4-6)
MAC... .200..(1-4)
PAC.... .111..(1-8)

It was a pretty impressive run by the Big10.

It was also pretty impressive what the PAC did.