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Potential XFL return
I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?
12-26-2017 05:57 PM
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RE: Potential XFL return
Allow kids to join straight out of HS

Watch the NFL collectively crap its pants
12-26-2017 06:32 PM
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RE: Potential XFL return
(12-26-2017 05:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?

Unused NFL markets is a good idea. The MLS has the advantage of being the top league of it’s sports in the country. A new XFL will need to overcome a minor league appearance.
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RE: Potential XFL return
(12-26-2017 06:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Allow kids to join straight out of HS

Watch the NFL collectively crap its pants

Not really. Unlike Baseball (occassionally) and Basketball, no straight outta HS kid is going to make it in the NFL. Just not big/strong enough. It would effect schools like Alabama, etc if the XFL paid more than they did, but any player that got good in the XFL will end up in the NFL.
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(12-26-2017 05:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?
I agree with everything you posted including franchise locations. Maybe throw in Toronto Vancouver and Mexico City.
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RE: Potential XFL return
(12-26-2017 06:34 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 05:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?

Unused NFL markets is a good idea. The MLS has the advantage of being the top league of it’s sports in the country. A new XFL will need to overcome a minor league appearance.

I think they way you avoid the minor league feel is that if your league is properly funded you allow each team a few roster spots for star players that make well above the league average. This attracts some notable names to your league and gives you a modicum of legitamacy.

Another way you stir up local support is giving each team 10-12 territorial roster spots. Let teams grab players from nearby colleges, NFL teams, or play near where they went to high school. Imagine the Orlando XFL team with Tim Tebow at quarterback and a host of ex-players from Florida St, FSU, Miami etc. this gives teams a community feel--a sense of hometown pride.

This league needs to trademark "The way football was supposed to be". Go back to football's roots. Play on sentimentality. Put a decent product on the field that families can afford to go see.
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RE: Potential XFL return
(12-26-2017 06:43 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 05:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?
I agree with everything you posted including franchise locations. Maybe throw in Toronto Vancouver and Mexico City.

The CFL probably would fight that tooth and nail in order to protect their domestic product.

Other non-NFL markets I'd look at expanding to would be:
Sacramento
Portland
Salt Lake
Omaha
Columbus
Hartford
Raliegh

If you want to move on the NFL's turf and are willing to toss a bit of cash into fixing up an aging stadium:

Washington D.C. (RFK)
Detroit (Pontiac Dome)
Houston (Astro Dome)

Or partner with a local college:
Phoenix (Sun Devil Stadium)
Miami (FAU or FIU Stadium)
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RE: Potential XFL return
If a new league REALLY wanted to make a dent in the NFL ...

... make all player contracts GUARANTEED.

THAT would get a crap ton of "middle of the road" NFL players to make the jump. Those players have the most to gain from that kind of contract. And it would force the NFL to match that going forward.
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(12-26-2017 06:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 06:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Allow kids to join straight out of HS

Watch the NFL collectively crap its pants

Not really. Unlike Baseball (occassionally) and Basketball, no straight outta HS kid is going to make it in the NFL. Just not big/strong enough. It would effect schools like Alabama, etc if the XFL paid more than they did, but any player that got good in the XFL will end up in the NFL.

I agree, NCAAF will get hurt the most. For the 4/5 star players, most (not all) have their goals set on the NFL, not the degree. They are simply using the schools such as Alabama, OSU, etc as a tool to improve their game to NFL standards. Offer those same kids the opportunity to get all those benefits without the distraction of school work, amateur rules, and a sizable salary (much less than the NFL, but 100-500X more than "cost of attendance" stipends). College football will be destroyed.
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RE: Potential XFL return
(12-26-2017 07:30 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 06:43 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 05:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know this isn't a college sports topic by any means but it certainly could have an impact on the college game and college players.

Vince McMahon appears to be gearing up to either relaunch the XFL, or perhaps another upstart league with a different name in response to the growing discontent fans are having with the NFL.

Here are my thoughts:

Play a spring schedule--don't take the NFL head on

Focus on cities that are the most discontent with the NFL--
St. Louis
San Diego
Oakland
Throw in some other markets that are unserved and have ready to use stadiums
San Antonio
Orlando
Birmingham
Memphis
Plus a few big markets for good measure
NYC (is you can't get the Meadowlands maybe this team ends up at Rutgers or UConn)
Chicago (stadium might be tricky too)
Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Learn from the mistakes of 2001. Don't emphasize the WWE or a bad boy culture. Brand yourselves as a return to "old time football" without the fancy stadiums and exorbitant prices. Cater to middle class consumers. Don't make crazy rules that lead to a bunch of injuries.

Find a network willing to take a chance on your product but also take advantage of streaming options. Could these be Turner's opportunity to jump into the football game?

Start with a single entity structure but eventually plan on moving to an owner/operator model similar to MLS.

Thoughts?
I agree with everything you posted including franchise locations. Maybe throw in Toronto Vancouver and Mexico City.

The CFL probably would fight that tooth and nail in order to protect their domestic product.

Other non-NFL markets I'd look at expanding to would be:
Sacramento
Portland
Salt Lake
Omaha
Columbus
Hartford
Raliegh

If you want to move on the NFL's turf and are willing to toss a bit of cash into fixing up an aging stadium:

Washington D.C. (RFK)
Detroit (Pontiac Dome)
Houston (Astro Dome)


Or partner with a local college:
Phoenix (Sun Devil Stadium)
Miami (FAU or FIU Stadium)

You know the Silverdome was partially detonated weeks ago and the structural steel was ruined. Astrodome is not fit for anything. RFK lost DC United and is tenantless, but there isn't much desire for the city to have a tenant as it just increase their costs.

Sun Devil Stadium is a construction zone until September

Memphis, Birmingham, Orlando are just not fit for a 4th/5th/6th attempt at alt-football. Every successive attempt, the attendance is lower. Case in point, the Stallions averaged 30K, but the Fire and Bolts both drew less than 16K. Memphis Showboats drew 30K, but Maniax drew 30% less. Orlando was basically the same with 25K for both USFL and XFL, but now Orlando City SC is in town.

Vince cashed out approximately $100MM in stock. That's about the same amount which he and GE/NBC spent last time.

$100MM is...~$75M LESS THAN what a single NFL team has to spend on players talent alone. It is about 1.7% of the total NFL salary cap for all 32 teams. Try to pick off any talent with that.
It's also just $48MM more than what the football budget for Alabama is and just 17MM more than what the University of Florida spends on football and "football related expenses"

If there is the attempt to go after recent HS graduates or those not currently enrolled in a NCAA program, Vince is going up atainst Don Yee's Pac Pro Football which apparently is still set for a summer launch (after the class of 2018 graduates) who claims salaries of $50K plus benefits and schooling since they originally wanted to partner with SoCal community colleges as playing sites. In the original XFL, Vince did not even give adequate players health insurance.

This is still a gate driven business and there is not enough gate for this to work at whatever price point.
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