(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

(12-29-2017 08:56 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:30 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:23 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

I rewatched the game last night thinking the calls must have been bad or just bias .....but nope, WKU was just beating Tech to the rim which was causing all the fouls, your coach did a great job with adjustments on offense and defense which seem to level things out. I try to look at games the best i can without my red goggles, but all the trips to the free throw line for WKU was self inflicted by Tech

There were several horrible foul calls. The time when Jean was literally pushed by the WKU player and a block was called on him. The technical on Duriji was bs. Those two stand out but there was more. It was definitely "home cooking". All you can do is hope you get the same at home. The officiating in this league is a joke.

I did not see the push but the tech foul was absolutely legit, after he made a great block and the WKU player was laying on the ground the Tech player got over him and started jawing and talking crap ... I can't believe they didn't call that much faster. There was some missed both ways , one comes to mind, our 23 Justin johnson was being held by a tech player so Justin could not go get a rebound, another was a phantom call against Justin Johnson where he was just standing there and a tech player come flying in over Justin's back basically landing on Justin and they called a foul on Justin? Bad play in the first half by Tech cost the game for you guys and tired legs by WKU in the 2nd half almost cost WKU the game

No he didn't. All he did was clap. They made that call because the fans were booing. It was a weak T. No doubt bad play in the first half cost us the game but it's hard to win when the other teams shoots 17 more free throws than you in the first half.

Letting the opposition get huge first half leads sometimes leads to, well, losing games at the very end.

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Some of that is crappy officiating, some of that is by design. We don't have the depth to really force the issue on defense, so we play a lot of zone (which gives up 3 point looks, but doesn't wear us out as much or get us in foul trouble). On the flipside, we like to get the ball in the paint on offense (either through guards driving or feeding our bigs). 0 vs 17 is an outlier, but we usually shoot more than our opponents.

UTSA has an amazing freshman player. Jhivvan Jackson, he comes off the bench but scores around 20 points a game. He's gone up against Oklahomas Young & got 31 points in 26 minutes. Also 26 points vs Nebraska in 26 minutes This guy is definitely Freshman of Year in CUSA. What an amazing find & player. UTSA has a good young team for the first time in a while. We are set up for the future.

UTSA bear Rice by 15 . 6-0 at home so far

Foul disparity in favor of the home team in bball makes it hard to watch at times. It was a year or two ago when MU played essentially a home and home within one week with ETSU. In Huntington the Herd shot 44 foul shots, on the return trip ETSU shot 44. Interestingly most home fans can see a reason for the disparity, when in reality it is generally home cooking.

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

(12-29-2017 11:06 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

I've got to go back to being a season ticket holder in the Big XII again. At least the Big XII officials call fair and respectable games. CUSA basketball is sheeeit. It's a joke. The officiating in CUSA sucks at the highest level. The product is not fun to watch when the officiating is this lopsided. And then we get stupid responses like yours, from people who really don't care about the product.

(12-29-2017 02:00 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:22 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Yep, I watched it on C-USA TV. Marshall played slower than usual. Maybe it was the lack of CJ Burks or the defense by USM, but MU played a different game than they were used to. The first half especially was a grind it out type of game instead of the usual flow that MU plays by. It's not as bad because we still pulled away, but it wasn't that flashy of a game.

This team has shown it can play any style and even win this year. They had crisp and fast paced with a lot of ball movement and beat EKU by 20. They were slowed way down with Chattanooga and beat them at their own game. And tonight with a starter out and a key member of the bench out they played a whole different game. Deliberate ball down the floor with less ball movement and more set plays being run. Jon Elmore only scored 13 points and didn't score until the 2nd half and still came up just 2 rebounds short of a triple double.

This is a very good example of quality coaching and team chemistry. We had some great individual talent when Herrion was the coach, but they rarely played as a collective unit, especially when up against it.

(12-29-2017 11:09 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:06 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

I've got to go back to being a season ticket holder in the Big XII again. At least the Big XII officials call fair and respectable games. CUSA basketball is sheeeit. It's a joke. The officiating in CUSA sucks at the highest level. The product is not fun to watch when the officiating is this lopsided. And then we get stupid responses like yours, from people who really don't care about the product.

Dude, you are such a whiner. In your opinion, has La Tech ever lost a game that wasn't the refs' fault? Gets old.

(12-28-2017 09:39 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Can a UTSA fan tell me how they feel about Jhivvan Jackson? Unbelievably gifted scorer, but takes a lot of stupid shots. Really quick hands on defense, but statistically an overall terrible defender. Granted he's just a freshman, but I just can't quite figure him out.

Jhivvan Jackson has been C-USA Freshman of the Week twice so far this season. He's from Bayamón, Puerto Rico. I think he has the green light from Coach Henson because his shooting range is crazy long. What you say about him defensively is spot on because he does have pretty good hands, and can be a danger at close range, but he also sometimes gambles and gets beaten off the dribble. Defensively, his footwork and positioning need improvement, but I think that Coach Henson and staff will work with him on that.

Another guy to keep an eye on is Keaton Wallace though. He's another freshman guard we have, and he's been C-USA Freshman of the Week 3 times so far this year. Together, our freshman guard tandem have been Freshman of the Week 5 times in the first 7 weeks of the season.

We also got a terrific freshman forward named Adrian Rodriguez who had 10 points and 8 rebounds for us in only 14 minutes of play in the first game of the season before getting hurt for the season. Coach Henson was really high on this kid, and he's also a terrific interior passer, and hits his free throws. If he were playing, we might even have had a chance for a clean sweep of Freshman of the Week honors for the first 7 weeks.

All said, we have a lot of guys who can shoot the trey this year. The guy you asked about, Jhivvan Jackson, is shooting 44% from 3-point range, and like you said, he does take some crazy long ones. Junior guard Deon Lyle is also shooting 44%, junior forward Nick Allen is actually shooting 55% (17-31), sophomore guard George Willborn III is shooting 40%, and junior forward Toby Van Ry, who doesn't get a lot of PT, has hit 3 of 7 for 43%.

If we had Rodriguez healthy and playing, I think we'd be 11-3 right now because I believe we would've beaten Bradley (2-point loss), Tulsa (4-point loss), and Utah Valley (8-point loss). Nebraska only beat us 104-94, and OU beat us 97-85, so I think we'd still have lost those games, but they likely would've gone down to the wire. Our worst game was against Coastal Carolina, an 83-69 loss. Just didn't play well that day.

(12-29-2017 11:57 AM)busch Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:09 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:06 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

I've got to go back to being a season ticket holder in the Big XII again. At least the Big XII officials call fair and respectable games. CUSA basketball is sheeeit. It's a joke. The officiating in CUSA sucks at the highest level. The product is not fun to watch when the officiating is this lopsided. And then we get stupid responses like yours, from people who really don't care about the product.

Dude, you are such a whiner. In your opinion, has La Tech ever lost a game that wasn't the refs' fault? Gets old.

It gets old for me too. Same old sheeeet. Worst conference in America. By far. And then some little dweeb like you doesn't get it.

(12-29-2017 11:23 AM)Herd-in-ATL Wrote:  This is a very good example of quality coaching and team chemistry. We had some great individual talent when Herrion was the coach, but they rarely played as a collective unit, especially when up against it.

That would be debatable in Herrion's last year, maybe last 2 years. Here is his last roster 13-14 season.

Shawn Smith
Kareem Canty
Kevin McNair
Cheikh Sane
DeVince Boykins
TyQuane Goard
Justin Edmonds
Elijah Pittman
Ryan Taylor
JP Kambola
Tamron Manning
Yous Mbao
Austin Loop

Out of those 13 players under Herrion there are most likely 2 DI players. That being Kareem Canty and Ryan Taylor, who were both freshman at the time. Austin Loop only played 72 nins as a freshman walk on and scored 41 points, he would have probably left Marshall after his Soph year had there not been a coaching change.

Sure we had DeAndre Kane (Jones commitment), Justin Coleman, Chris Martin, Kareem Canty all roll though Huntington while Herrion was here but they were all head cases or didn't stick around long enough to show what they could do at the college level.

The actual DI recruits Herrion signed:

Robert Goff - JR College transfer, scored 351 points while in Huntinton in 2 years.
Chris Martin - A 4 star player, head case, was here 2 years, scored 92 points and transferred to Mt Saint Marys then to Savannah State.
Dennis Tinnon - JR College transfer, played 2 years at Marshall, scored 691 points while in Huntinton.
Ryan Taylor - The best signing Herrion made while at Marshall, starter all 4 years at Marshall ended up with 1778 points and 985 rebounds, only the 2nd person in Marshall history to have 1700 points and 900 rebounds, the other was JR VanHoose from 99-02 with 1803 points an 1,086 rebounts.
Kareem Canty - Extreamly talented player that scored 538 points while in Huntington, dismissed by D'Antoni when he got here, went on a twitter tirade and downed both Marshall and the city of Huntington.

Not even going to list Justin Coleman, the kid only played in 9 games before he was dismissed. And Jaylen Brantley red shirted and never played a min for Marshall.

Now lets list those Herrion missed on:
Tamron Manning
Elijah Pittman
DD Scarver
Shawn Smith
Cheikh Sane - I wouldn't say Sane was a wiff, I think he was misued
Justin Edmounds - Decent his 1st year, gone missing after his knee injury.
DeVince Boykins
TyQuane Goard
JP Kambola
Yous Mbao

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:17 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Tops barely pull it out against LaTech. 69-68.

Sure wish the NCAA would let us know about our other 2 players. Sucks only having 8 players with one of those being a walk on.

Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

I was there. We were by far the more active team. Totally out playing La Tech at that time. Your guys were reaching in trying to stop us. Plus u were missing everything and getting frustrated. We were just play ing that much better.
Then the 2nd half started and u guys picked up the pace and we started tiring. Happens when u play just 7 players. Tech went to the line more than we did in the 2nd half. If we get our other two players we r going to b tough to defend. All and all I thought the better team won last night.

(12-29-2017 11:09 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:06 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:09 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

Need to tell your guys to quit reaching when we drove to the basket, or climb over people trying to get a rebound, or try and get a charge call while still moving!

You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

I've got to go back to being a season ticket holder in the Big XII again. At least the Big XII officials call fair and respectable games. CUSA basketball is sheeeit. It's a joke. The officiating in CUSA sucks at the highest level. The product is not fun to watch when the officiating is this lopsided. And then we get stupid responses like yours, from people who really don't care about the product.

Last night refs also work NCAA tournament and final 4's. Maybe your players should not foul or learn to adjust to the way the game is being called. WKU dont foul much because of the style of play, but Ohio 31-35 at the line when WKU played them, it happens to everyone on the road, thats why good home crowds are so important

(12-29-2017 12:57 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:57 AM)busch Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:09 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:06 AM)Psychored Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:00 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  You mean like the charge against WKU that WASN'T called with 14 seconds left in the game, and Tech leading 68-67? That play was absurdly ruled a "defensive foul" against Tech's Joniah White. Never mind his feet were absolutely planted, and he simply got run over while WKU's #1 was out of control and trying to go to the rim.

That was THE pivitol play of the game. Yes, WKU's #1 missed to following two free throws, but wouldn't ya know it....WKU got another call on the ensuing play and got TWO MORE chances at free throws with 12 seconds left. That's 4 free throws in the last 14 seconds that WKU got.

It was definitely home cooking. I was there. It as like this all night long.

LMAO!! Suck it up buttercup!

I've got to go back to being a season ticket holder in the Big XII again. At least the Big XII officials call fair and respectable games. CUSA basketball is sheeeit. It's a joke. The officiating in CUSA sucks at the highest level. The product is not fun to watch when the officiating is this lopsided. And then we get stupid responses like yours, from people who really don't care about the product.

Dude, you are such a whiner. In your opinion, has La Tech ever lost a game that wasn't the refs' fault? Gets old.

It gets old for me too. Same old sheeeet. Worst conference in America. By far. And then some little dweeb like you doesn't get it.

Never said I thought the officiating was good in this conference. What I said is you are a whiner, who blames the officials for every loss, no matter the sport. That gets old. Sometimes your team just gets beat. I'm waiting for the first time for you to admit that. Love, Little Dweeb.

(12-29-2017 09:17 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:56 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:30 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:23 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 01:02 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  Just for the record, it also sucks to sit there and have to watch WKU get 17 free throws in the 1st half to LA Tech's zero.

I rewatched the game last night thinking the calls must have been bad or just bias .....but nope, WKU was just beating Tech to the rim which was causing all the fouls, your coach did a great job with adjustments on offense and defense which seem to level things out. I try to look at games the best i can without my red goggles, but all the trips to the free throw line for WKU was self inflicted by Tech

There were several horrible foul calls. The time when Jean was literally pushed by the WKU player and a block was called on him. The technical on Duriji was bs. Those two stand out but there was more. It was definitely "home cooking". All you can do is hope you get the same at home. The officiating in this league is a joke.

I did not see the push but the tech foul was absolutely legit, after he made a great block and the WKU player was laying on the ground the Tech player got over him and started jawing and talking crap ... I can't believe they didn't call that much faster. There was some missed both ways , one comes to mind, our 23 Justin johnson was being held by a tech player so Justin could not go get a rebound, another was a phantom call against Justin Johnson where he was just standing there and a tech player come flying in over Justin's back basically landing on Justin and they called a foul on Justin? Bad play in the first half by Tech cost the game for you guys and tired legs by WKU in the 2nd half almost cost WKU the game

No he didn't. All he did was clap. They made that call because the fans were booing. It was a weak T. No doubt bad play in the first half cost us the game but it's hard to win when the other teams shoots 17 more free throws than you in the first half.

Blame your player and not the ref.... you can't do that, its called a technical every time, the crowd had every right to be upset that they did not call it immediately

Nice to see some of the back forth between us and WKU fans still.

I was surprised that WKU didn't adjust better to the 1-3-1 and fell apart in the 2nd half after playing really well in the 1st. If we could have rebounded the missed FT at the end then we would have probably won game which is somewhat surprising. If we continue to play White inside so many minutes things won't get much better.

(12-29-2017 03:00 PM)winston70 Wrote:  Nice to see some of the back forth between us and WKU fans still.

I was surprised that WKU didn't adjust better to the 1-3-1 and fell apart in the 2nd half after playing really well in the 1st. If we could have rebounded the missed FT at the end then we would have probably won game which is somewhat surprising. If we continue to play White inside so many minutes things won't get much better.

Love the 1-3-1 trap. When I coached 8th grade boys basketball, I used man-to-man or the 1-3-1 almost exclusively. We always had speed defensively, so I liked to force the issue with other teams and either play a full-court man press, or an aggressive 1-3-1 half-court trap.

During tryouts, I always picked at least a couple defensive specialists who perhaps couldn't dribble or shoot as well as others, but who were quick on their feet, had long arms, and were coachable. I'd use them in my half-court trap and teach them to basically cover their area, watch the ball, read eyes, and anticipate. They wreaked havoc. Good times. lol