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Southwest Conference Redo
West
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St

East
Colorado
Texas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

If USC and Nebraska are considering changes, this would be the change they would want.
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12-28-2017 01:47 PM
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(12-28-2017 01:47 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  West
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St

East
Colorado
Texas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

If USC and Nebraska are considering changes, this would be the change they would want.
Arkansas

Similar subject matter discussed on another discussion thread
The WAC's Next Move
http://csnbbs.com/thread-835371-post-148...id14873581
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
SWC? There's only one school in there that was in it for more than a few years.
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(12-28-2017 05:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  SWC? There's only one school in there that was in it for more than a few years.

That's why I think he needs Rice to add SWC history, provide a presence in the Houston media market, establish the eastern academic rival for Stanford, and match the rich baseball tradition of the other programs in this proposed conference. 04-cheers
12-28-2017 05:31 PM
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
Here is better idea:

Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona

Arizona St
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Oklahoma St
12-28-2017 05:43 PM
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
(12-28-2017 05:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here is better idea:

Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona

Arizona St
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Oklahoma St

This may then be followed up with:

NEW CONFERENCE
West: Washington St, Oregon St, Boise St, BYU, Utah, San Diego St
East: Colorado St, Kansas St, Iowa St, TCU, Baylor, Houston
12-28-2017 06:13 PM
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(12-28-2017 05:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  SWC? There's only one school in there that was in it for more than a few years.

True--but the conference was never really geographically fit the "southwest" moniker. It was really the south central US (and really mostly Texas). The conference he shows actually is "southwestern" in geography.
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I like the new conference idea, and I think something like this just might happen
12-28-2017 11:13 PM
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(12-28-2017 06:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 05:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  SWC? There's only one school in there that was in it for more than a few years.

True--but the conference was never really geographically fit the "southwest" moniker. It was really the south central US (and really mostly Texas). The conference he shows actually is "southwestern" in geography.

It is important to remember that all the schools of the old SWC were southwest of almost every major population center in 1914, and certainly west of the Southeastern Conference. Remember the Big 10(+4) was once called the Western Conference.
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
(12-28-2017 06:13 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 05:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here is better idea:

Oregon
Washington
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona

Arizona St
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Oklahoma St

This may then be followed up with:

NEW CONFERENCE
West: Washington St, Oregon St, Boise St, BYU, Utah, San Diego St
East: Colorado St, Kansas St, Iowa St, TCU, Baylor, Houston

I like it but where does WVU go? They'd still be a member of the Big 12 and I am guessing this new league will fall under their umbrella. If I had to take a gamble, I'd say if they don't find a home in the ACC or SEC they stay in this new Big 12 and Colorado St gets bumped out. Then again, if the Big 12 is reduced to WVU, ISU, K St, TCU, and Baylor they may take in the Pac 12 refugees but WVU would demand some eastern time zone adds like the Florida twins.
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SWC Redo!

West- New Mexico St, UTEP, Rice, Texas St, UTSA, Sam Houston

East- La Tech, La Monroe, Mizz St, Ark St, Cen Ark, No. Texas
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(12-30-2017 11:44 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  SWC Redo!

West- New Mexico St, UTEP, Rice, Texas St, UTSA, Sam Houston

East- La Tech, La Monroe, Mizz St, Ark St, Cen Ark, No. Texas

Why would those schools agree to let 3 FCS schools in their new league? Where is ULL?

If you were going to start a Southwestern oriented league I'd do:

NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, UNT

Ark St, LA Tech, ULL, ULM, USM, UAB
12-30-2017 12:55 PM
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
I'm not advocating for this. Personally, I kind of view C-USA West as the closest thing to a SWC type set-up. But, since this is only hypothetical, if you were to build a new conference in an effort to try and revive the old SWC, you need to stick to a tight footprint that keep or develops regional rivalries, and include as many former SWC members from the G5 as possible. I'd only consider programs in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and the University of Memphis. It could look something like this...

Reformed SWC
Houston (AAC- former SWC member)
Rice (C-USA- former SWC member)
SMU (AAC- former SWC member)
North Texas (C-USA)
UTSA (C-USA)
Memphis (AAC)
LA Tech (C-USA)
Southern Miss (C-USA)
Arkansas State (Sun Belt)

8 of those 9 teams finished bowl eligible this past season. I think that could be a very strong conference with some good regional rivalries.

I can't find a 12 team combination that could work.
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RE: Southwest Conference Redo
(12-30-2017 12:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 11:44 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  SWC Redo!

West- New Mexico St, UTEP, Rice, Texas St, UTSA, Sam Houston

East- La Tech, La Monroe, Mizz St, Ark St, Cen Ark, No. Texas

Why would those schools agree to let 3 FCS schools in their new league? Where is ULL?

If you were going to start a Southwestern oriented league I'd do:

NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, UNT

Ark St, LA Tech, ULL, ULM, USM, UAB

Sam Houston is a perennial FCS power and Mizz St is ready to jump up a division.

ULL is in a new Sun Belt I posted yesterday.

East- FIU, FAU, Ga So, Ga St, Liberty, Chattanooga

West- Troy, UAB, So Miss, ULL, So Alabama, Mid Tenn

New CUSA

North- Buffalo, Army, UMass, Deleware, New Hampshire, Marshall

South- ODU, JMU, Charlotte, App St, Coastal, WKU
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(12-28-2017 05:12 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 01:47 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  West
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St

East
Colorado
Texas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

If USC and Nebraska are considering changes, this would be the change they would want.
Arkansas

Similar subject matter discussed on another discussion thread
The WAC's Next Move
http://csnbbs.com/thread-835371-post-148...id14873581

Revised:
Conference USA = Conference USA West + Sunbelt Conference west
Sunbelt Conference = Conference USA East + Sunbelt Conference East

Conference USA (revised)
CUSA West
N TX
Rice
UTEP
UTSA
TX St
AR St

CUSA East
LA Tech
Lousiana
Lousiana-Monroe
USM
UAB
S. AL

Sunbelt Conference (revised)
Sunbelt North
Western KY
Middle TN
Marshall
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Appalachian St.

Sunbelt South
Coastal Carolina
GA St
GA Southern
Troy
FIU
FAU

Rebrand revised CUSA into new Southwest Conference.
Revised CUSA --> new SWC
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If your going to redo the SWC. Then you have to build it based around its history.


1, Arkansas
2, Kansas
3, Houston
4, New Mexico
5, Oklahoma
6, Oklahoma state
7, TCU
8, Texas
9, Texas A&M
10,Texas Tech
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(12-31-2017 09:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If your going to redo the SWC. Then you have to build it based around its history.


1, Arkansas
2, Kansas
3, Houston
4, New Mexico
5, Oklahoma
6, Oklahoma state
7, TCU
8, Texas
9, Texas A&M
10,Texas Tech

Wow... This lineup here definitely hits it right out of the park... Nice
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And it would be as irrelevant and uncompetitive on the national stage as the original was in its final days

Until TV stops being the primary source of income for schools, that model is doomed to failure.
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(12-31-2017 09:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If your going to redo the SWC. Then you have to build it based around its history.


1, Arkansas
2, Kansas
3, Houston
4, New Mexico
5, Oklahoma
6, Oklahoma State
7, TCU
8, Texas
9, Texas A&M
10, Texas Tech

Yeah, these guys ain't getting back together. Texas A&M and Arkansas won't leave the SEC to get back with the old SWC group. And, those in the BIG12 won't trade Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and West Virginia for Houston and New Mexico. If there were to be a revised version of the SWC it would have to come from a new configuration within the G5.
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(01-01-2018 09:25 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 09:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  If your going to redo the SWC. Then you have to build it based around its history.


1, Arkansas
2, Kansas
3, Houston
4, New Mexico
5, Oklahoma
6, Oklahoma State
7, TCU
8, Texas
9, Texas A&M
10, Texas Tech

Yeah, these guys ain't getting back together. Texas A&M and Arkansas won't leave the SEC to get back with the old SWC group. And, those in the BIG12 won't trade Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and West Virginia for Houston and New Mexico. If there were to be a revised version of the SWC it would have to come from a new configuration within the G5.

LOL... This is not a proposal tv networks are itching for... If I was a big time major tv network my investment would be targeting programs that do reside in big markets rather than invest in those who falsely claim it.
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