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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 10:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:35 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 03:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.


Well, Id hazard to guess that over half the losses were by AAC teams with no coaches/skelaton staffs/or both. Of all people, I'd think a S Miss fan would be fairly familiar with the importance of having a good head coach and staff on the sideline. By the way---didnt I just watch one of those 6-6 P5 teams stomp a mud hole in one of the top CUSA teams in the Indy Bowl. 04-cheers

See my first post.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 10:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:35 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 03:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.
Navy was just tougher. Better mental discipline playing in the cold.

Agree 100%. Navy was tougher. Clearly the better team.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 10:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:35 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 03:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.

You still didn’t address the 2-10 vs your brothers. As much as you hate it, you will be judged for this way more then you’re judged for 6-5 vs P5, unfortunately.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 11:09 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:35 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.

You still didn’t address the 2-10 vs your brothers. As much as you hate it, you will be judged for this way more then you’re judged for 6-5 vs P5, unfortunately.

What is the AAC record vs. the G4 over the last 3-4 years in the regular season.

Hint: It's ridiculously good, much better than 10-2 even.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-29-2017 11:09 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 05:35 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year. 03-weeping

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.

You still didn’t address the 2-10 vs your brothers. As much as you hate it, you will be judged for this way more then you’re judged for 6-5 vs P5, unfortunately.

Only by G4 fans.
2-10 in bowls is eclipsed by 32-16 in regular season. If you care about stats, then the larger sample is enough. In national/media perception, the national narrative over the last few years is that bowls outside NY6 are losing their importance with over-emphasis on the CFP, draftees skipping them etc -- G4 wishful thinking that this smaller sample is somehow more important just don't stand up. Don't try the "that's what happens when American teams play good G4s" I've proven in detail in other threads that the 10 wins in the AAC 10-4 vs G4 this regular season came mostly against the better G4 teams; the four losses were AAC cellar dwellers.
Does the 6-5 v Playoff-5 conferences carry more weight? Actually yes it does. First, the national perception, ESPN, etc are all overly focussed on the Playoff-5 conferences, we all agree about that, right? So, yes, AAC success against the big name conferences DOES get weighted in national media/perception. Nobody caares whether the mwc Aggies or the SunBelt Aggies won in Tuscon tonight, nor will anyone long remember that LaTech beat SMU. Navy-Virginia win, though, was all over the Washington Post, and prompted that McMurphy tweet.
Second, go back to first principles: P6 is not an assertion that AAC=SEC today; P6 means closer to those five than to the little four. We make our 2025 strategic goal by separating from the G4s but just need to keep pace with the Playoff-5. In that regard, 6-5 works; 32-16 works; 2-10 is merely a blip on the radar.
You may want that 2-10 to be of outsize importance, but other than four conference message boards it isn't
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(12-29-2017 11:57 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 11:09 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.

You still didn’t address the 2-10 vs your brothers. As much as you hate it, you will be judged for this way more then you’re judged for 6-5 vs P5, unfortunately.

Only by G4 fans.
2-10 in bowls is eclipsed by 32-16 in regular season. If you care about stats, then the larger sample is enough. In national/media perception, the national narrative over the last few years is that bowls outside NY6 are losing their importance with over-emphasis on the CFP, draftees skipping them etc -- G4 wishful thinking that this smaller sample is somehow more important just don't stand up. Don't try the "that's what happens when American teams play good G4s" I've proven in detail in other threads that the 10 wins in the AAC 10-4 vs G4 this regular season came mostly against the better G4 teams; the four losses were AAC cellar dwellers.
Does the 6-5 v Playoff-5 conferences carry more weight? Actually yes it does. First, the national perception, ESPN, etc are all overly focussed on the Playoff-5 conferences, we all agree about that, right? So, yes, AAC success against the big name conferences DOES get weighted in national media/perception. Nobody caares whether the mwc Aggies or the SunBelt Aggies won in Tuscon tonight, nor will anyone long remember that LaTech beat SMU. Navy-Virginia win, though, was all over the Washington Post, and prompted that McMurphy tweet.
Second, go back to first principles: P6 is not an assertion that AAC=SEC today; P6 means closer to those five than to the little four. We make our 2025 strategic goal by separating from the G4s but just need to keep pace with the Playoff-5. In that regard, 6-5 works; 32-16 works; 2-10 is merely a blip on the radar.
You may want that 2-10 to be of outsize importance, but other than four conference message boards it isn't

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Judged by whom? Contrary to some in this forum, bowl performance emphasis (or lack there of) did not originate with the formation of the AAC. And never, in the history of college football has bowl performance been the only consideration for determining conference strength. So, why in the world would that be the sole factor now?

Just look at the media coverage of the regular season vs. bowl season. Bowl performances are only discussed in the current cycle...until the next one comes along. Regular season wins/losses garner far more coverage, and more importantly, carryover with the selection committee. Now, I personally don't think one should be excluded in favor of the other as neither tell a complete story. But, there's no question that outside the CFP, the news cycle for bowls (win or lose) is shorter than the lifespan of regular season games. And, since the media deliver (and in some instances create) narratives, reg. season games consistently offer more opportunities to mold perception.

Of course, this assumes that the conferences in question receive coverage outside of bowl games. Typing out loud here, but that may be where some are coming from as bowls may be the best, or even only chance at affecting perception if reg. season press is poor to non-existent. Bowl games generally generate over 1 mil viewers and very well may be the highest visibility that some teams/conferences receive...perhaps even greater than the highest rated conference games (including championships). If indeed this is the case, then I would probably agree that bowl games may offer the best opportunity to reach eyeballs and build/promote brands in those instances.

ETA: Bowl performance is NOT meaningless. Just trying to understand why a subset, either power or nonpower, would carry more weight than the totality of resumes...outside CFP games which obviously reach much larger audiences and receive mega media coverage.
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(12-30-2017 12:36 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Judged by whom? Contrary to some in this forum, bowl performance emphasis (or lack there of) did not originate with the formation of the AAC. And never, in the history of college football has bowl performance been the only consideration for determining conference strength. So, why in the world would that be the sole factor now?

Just look at the media coverage of the regular season vs. bowl season. Bowl performances are only discussed in the current cycle...until the next one comes along. Regular season wins/losses garner far more coverage, and more importantly, carryover with the selection committee. Now, I personally don't think one should be excluded in favor of the other as neither tell a complete story. But, there's no question that outside the CFP, the news cycle for bowls (win or lose) is shorter than the lifespan of regular season games. And, since the media deliver (and in some instances create) narratives, reg. season games consistently offer more opportunities to mold perception.

Of course, this assumes that the conferences in question receive coverage outside of bowl games. Typing out loud here, but that may be where some are coming from as bowls may be the best, or even only chance at affecting perception if reg. season press is poor to non-existent. Bowl games generally generate over 1 mil viewers and very well may be the highest visibility that some teams/conferences receive...perhaps even greater than the highest rated conference games (including championships). If indeed this is the case, then I would probably agree that bowl games may offer the best opportunity to reach eyeballs and build/promote brands in those instances.
gulfcoastgal may be hitting on a point that relates to the G4 fans' wanting to overemphasize AAC-G4 bowl record. I will look at numbers in the morning.
For most G4s, that bowl game is THE most-viewed game they're in. For an AAC team facing a G4 before Christmas, probably not. Navy's bowl game vs ACC UVa will probably be our third most viewed game. USF in Birmingham definitely behind 4.46 million viewers for the war on I4. Memphis in the Liberty, behind AAC championship and maybe others.
I look forward to getting into those numbers.
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You know how you can tell if a bowl game is irrelevant?

.... If there is a G4 playing in it.
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I am starting to feel bad for many here. Threads like these continue, and you always seem to end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves. Just enjoy the games.
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I'm gonna enjoy the remaining MWC games...
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(12-30-2017 08:06 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I am starting to feel bad for many here. Threads like these continue, and you always seem to end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves. Just enjoy the games.

"...end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves..." is an apt description of G4 fans over here.
I've learned not to feel bad for them. It used to make me sad to see you all, pinched little faces pressed up against our P6 window.
In the long run though, exposure to the P6 truth is for the best.

After all, you all keep coming back, don't you?
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(12-30-2017 08:34 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 08:06 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I am starting to feel bad for many here. Threads like these continue, and you always seem to end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves. Just enjoy the games.

"...end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves..." is an apt description of G4 fans over here.
I've learned not to feel bad for them. It used to make me sad to see you all, pinched little faces pressed up against our P6 window.
In the long run though, exposure to the P6 truth is for the best.

After all, you all keep coming back, don't you?

On the West Coast, sick little girl, letting mommy sleep. The laughs here this morning, were helpful to my morning. I enjoyed it. Seriously.
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Since league play began in 2013, I have the American at 8-9 vs P5 with two to play:

2013
UCF, Louisville wins
Rutgers, Cincy, Houston losses (Rutgers vs ND -> ND = P5)

2014
Houston win
UCF, Cincy, ECU losses

2015
Houston, Navy wins
Tulsa, Memphis losses

2016
USF win
Temple loss

2017
USF, Navy wins
Two to play

PS, by Monday, we will have played two more P5 teams in bowls since 2013 as the entire G4. Their record is 5-12. Boise has two of those wins (and two losses). G4 sans Boise is 3-10 vs P5.
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
(12-30-2017 11:55 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Since league play began in 2013, I have the American at 7-8 vs P5 with two to play:

2013
UCF, Louisville wins
Rutgers, Cincy, Houston losses (Rutgers vs ND -> ND = P5)

2014
Houston win
UCF, Cincy, ECU losses

2015
Houston, Navy wins
Tulsa, Memphis losses

2016
USF win
Temple loss

2017
USF, Navy wins
Two to play

How does McMurtry get to 6 P5 wins since 2014
? I only have 5. What have I overlooked? Was he counting the Memphis-BYU game?

PS, by tomorrow, we will have played as many P5 teams in bowls since 2013 as the entire G4. Their record is 5-12. Boise has two of those wins (and two losses). G4 sans Boise is 3-10 vs P5.

You have six listed there: Houston, Navy, and USF two Playoff-conference-team bowl wins each.
And I don't believe ECU in '14 is being counted - when did they officially enter?
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RE: AAC Bowl Performance----6-5 vs P5 in CFP Era
The winning record versus the P5 is most important... it proves, beyond doubt, there is no 'separation' on the field between us and the P5.

The losing record, by our bottom bowl eligible teams, does hurt... it indicates (exactly as the converse does above...) that we have not completely 'separated' from the G4 (on the field).

Although BM and the G4 will trumpet our G4 bowl results... it really does not matter. Only how your top performs is the measuring stick.... and as the old parity in the Big East proved, you NEED a few teams to make the big splash, at the expense of the others... We are chasing the P5. The G4 hardly seem to be chasing us... or the P5. They just want us to stay with them and constitute a 'G5'. Why? Who knows... in a sane world, they would be arguing the 10 conference scenario even with their obvious distance from the P5... You either are, or are not, a 10 team FBS.
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(12-30-2017 08:06 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I am starting to feel bad for many here. Threads like these continue, and you always seem to end up disappointed, yet justifying yourselves. Just enjoy the games.

You here = proof of AAC envy... 04-cheers
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(12-30-2017 12:27 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  You have six listed there: Houston, Navy, and USF two Playoff-conference-team bowl wins each.
And I don't believe ECU in '14 is being counted - when did they officially enter?

LOL. Brain fart.

ECU joined in 14. Navy was last to join in 15.
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(12-29-2017 11:57 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 11:09 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:31 PM)MasMack Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

NMCMS was 50/50 Navy-UVa. I was there.
And how does Navy selling tickets affect whether or not "it’s just real hard for [UVa] to get up for a bowl game" vs AAC team? They were up for it. As much or more than FSU and Duke.
My point remains: top CUSA and MAC get whupped by mediocre, not especially motivated ACC team. Definitely motivated UVa team on level with the other two in a pick'em matchup with middle-of-the-pack AAC team and AAC Navy dominates.

P6. We're just a step ahead of the G4s.

You still didn’t address the 2-10 vs your brothers. As much as you hate it, you will be judged for this way more then you’re judged for 6-5 vs P5, unfortunately.

Only by G4 fans.
2-10 in bowls is eclipsed by 32-16 in regular season. If you care about stats, then the larger sample is enough. In national/media perception, the national narrative over the last few years is that bowls outside NY6 are losing their importance with over-emphasis on the CFP, draftees skipping them etc -- G4 wishful thinking that this smaller sample is somehow more important just don't stand up. Don't try the "that's what happens when American teams play good G4s" I've proven in detail in other threads that the 10 wins in the AAC 10-4 vs G4 this regular season came mostly against the better G4 teams; the four losses were AAC cellar dwellers.
Does the 6-5 v Playoff-5 conferences carry more weight? Actually yes it does. First, the national perception, ESPN, etc are all overly focussed on the Playoff-5 conferences, we all agree about that, right? So, yes, AAC success against the big name conferences DOES get weighted in national media/perception. Nobody caares whether the mwc Aggies or the SunBelt Aggies won in Tuscon tonight, nor will anyone long remember that LaTech beat SMU. Navy-Virginia win, though, was all over the Washington Post, and prompted that McMurphy tweet.
Second, go back to first principles: P6 is not an assertion that AAC=SEC today; P6 means closer to those five than to the little four. We make our 2025 strategic goal by separating from the G4s but just need to keep pace with the Playoff-5. In that regard, 6-5 works; 32-16 works; 2-10 is merely a blip on the radar.
You may want that 2-10 to be of outsize importance, but other than four conference message boards it isn't

You’re only as strong as your weakest leak. A navy guy should know that. Btw, great win against Virginia. Pure domination. And I love how you guys do it with toughness and discipline. You look to be set up for many successful years. Good luck to you! SMTTT!
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