On the other hand--we are 2-10 vs the G5 in bowl games during the same time period. Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents while our bottom bowl qualifiers get matched up with the top schools from other non-power conferences. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  On the other hand--we are 2-10 vs the G5 in bowl games during the same time period. Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents while our bottom bowl qualifiers get matched up with the top schools from other non-power conferences. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Houston was good last year and lost to SDSU so there are varying factors.

(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  On the other hand--we are 2-10 vs the G5 in bowl games during the same time period. Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents while our bottom bowl qualifiers get matched up with the top schools from other non-power conferences. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

It's because the whole p5 narrative is bull****.

UH started off 5-0 including a blowout win over #3 Oklahoma in front of 71,000 fans.

We then limped to 4-4 after Ward got hurt and Herman got wandering eyes. We weren't all that good down the stretch. It didn't help that we had graduate assistants coaching in Vegas.

San Diego State was better than we were. Just like Fresno State was this year.

The Peach Bowl was a loooooonnnnnggggg time ago.

Just my opinion, but, bowl games are meaningless, and until a true playoff system is instituted (16 teams with 10 conf champs and 6 at large), the results of 75% of the bowl games are totally irrelevant.

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  On the other hand--we are 2-10 vs the G5 in bowl games during the same time period. Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents while our bottom bowl qualifiers get matched up with the top schools from other non-power conferences. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Houston was good last year and lost to SDSU so there are varying factors.

Like having your coach and staff swiped just as the season ends and prior to playing a bowl.

(12-29-2017 04:28 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  UH started off 5-0 including a blowout win over #3 Oklahoma in front of 71,000 fans.

We then limped to 4-4 after Ward got hurt and Herman got wandering eyes. We weren't all that good down the stretch. It didn't help that we had graduate assistants coaching in Vegas.

San Diego State was better than we were. Just like Fresno State was this year.

The Peach Bowl was a loooooonnnnnggggg time ago.

Ehhhh. We were winning at the half--I think the teams were pretty evenly matched talent wise. In Vegas the difference was not having a clue how to adjust after seeing what SDSU changed at halftime. Herman and Orlando were great at it. Applewhite is extremely weak in that department and showed it quite often last season. I believe we were outscored in the second half of almost every game in 2017. If Applewhite is successful, it will be because he out-talents his opponent via superior recruiting. As a strategist--he's well below average.

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(12-29-2017 04:28 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  UH started off 5-0 including a blowout win over #3 Oklahoma in front of 71,000 fans.

We then limped to 4-4 after Ward got hurt and Herman got wandering eyes. We weren't all that good down the stretch. It didn't help that we had graduate assistants coaching in Vegas.

San Diego State was better than we were. Just like Fresno State was this year.

The Peach Bowl was a loooooonnnnnggggg time ago.

Ehhhh. We were winning at the half--I think theteams were pretty evenly matched talent wise. In Vegas the difference was not having a clue how to adjust after seeing what SDSU changed at halftime. Herman and Orlando were great at it. Applewhite is extremely weak in that department and showed it quite often last season. I believe we were outscored in the second half of almost every game in 2017. If Applewhite is successful, it will be because he out-talents his opponent via superior recruiting. As a strategist--he's well below average.

The one area Applewhite seems to do quite well is in the recruiting department... But than again he has much better facilities something head coaches before him lacked.

As a kid my father took me to see UH football when Pardee was the head coach then... Wonder what coach Pardee could do with today Houston facilities. My

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

PAC isn't very good in football or basketball. They should self-relegate and become the G5th.

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

You may well be right, but I'll bet a gazillion dollars that every single g4 would give their first born to have our p5 to g4 record

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

I love all of the patting each other on the back but it's just because our 10-2 schools keep getting matched up with 6-6 or 7-5 p5 schools in the only bowl tie ins we have with p5s.

They send their barely bowl eligible to face our best teams every year.

Look at this year, 7-5 Iowa St, 7-5 Texas tech, 6-6 Virginia (granted this was also a 6-6 navy team)

UCF beating auburn though, that would be something

If I remember correctly, didn't UCF beat Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl? Didn't Houston beat Florida State in the Peach Bowl?

Seems like our best teams, when given a chance, do pretty damn well.

(12-29-2017 08:52 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I love all of the patting each other on the back but it's just because our 10-2 schools keep getting matched up with 6-6 or 7-5 p5 schools in the only bowl tie ins we have with p5s.

They send their barely bowl eligible to face our best teams every year.

Look at this year, 7-5 Iowa St, 7-5 Texas tech, 6-6 Virginia (granted this was also a 6-6 navy team)

UCF beating auburn though, that would be something

AAC wins that don't fit the AAC best vs P5 mediocre:
6-6 Navy vs 6-6 UVa
10-win Navy vs 8-4 Pitt (tied first in AAC West vs 2nd alone in ACC Coastal)
Houston over FSU in Peach

AAC wins that do fit that template:
Txtech this year, SCar last year, Pitt in '14?
Anyway only HALF the wins can be denigrated as AAC best vs P5 mediocre.

Iowa State this year is interesting. 7-5(5-4) is above mediocre, and they got some scalps, and got ranked, and Matt Campbell was a hot name in coaching carousel. case could be made the other way, but Im going to say they dont fit that AAC best vs P5 mediocre template.

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

Well, Id hazard to guess that over half the losses were by AAC teams with no coaches/skelaton staffs/or both. Of all people, I'd think a S Miss fan would be fairly familiar with the importance of having a good head coach and staff on the sideline. By the way---didnt I just watch one of those 6-6 P5 teams stomp a mud hole in one of the top CUSA teams in the Indy Bowl.

How many of those games against G4 teams did the AAC teams play without their head coach? Last year before the bowl game; Houston's head coach, Tom Herman, had moved on to Texas. This year before the bowl game SMU's head coach, Chad Morris, had moved on to Arkansas.

I don't know how many more instances of games were like that involved the AAC against the G4, but the G4 coaches usually don't leave so their staffs are usually in tact for the bowl games.

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(12-29-2017 03:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hard to explain--but true. The only explanation I have is our better teams are getting matched up with P5 opponents leaving while our bottom bowl qualifiers are geting matched up with the top G5's. We have ended up with a number of games vs G5 champs or runner ups.

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With Navy’s win today, in @CFBPlayoff era, AAC teams in bowls are now 6-5 vs. Power 5 teams, but 2-10 vs. Group of 5 schools

Exhibit A that we don't care about the G4 games and so its just so hard to get up for them. I'm fine with this. Let the G4 have their wins against us in bowl games...gives them something to shout about and get excited about.

Or Exhibit B your best teams get matched up against a lot of 6-6 mediocre P5 teams and it’s just real hard for them to get up for a bowl game vs a G5 school. Unless you’re Flordia State in the Indy bowl this year.

I'm not sure your theory stands up...
3 ACC teams finished 6-6(3-5) and slid into bowls. You already pointed out FSU & interim coach vs CUSA's #3?#4? 8-4(6-2) USM.
Duke went all the way to Detroit, vs the MAC's #3/4 at 8-4(6-2) and won by three scores.

UVA was in their first bowl in years, sold out their ticket allotment and was playing a couple hours from campus.
Navy wasn't the AAC's best - rather finished #6 in the conference.

G4's best came up woefully short against ACC 6-6(3-5).
AAC 6-6(4-4) frogstomped ACC 6-6.
P6

Navy played in their own stadium and sold out their allotment. 2 of the 3 points don’t add up (nor does anything else you said).

Besides, how do you explain the 2-10 versus other G5 teams. Oh wait, Nevermind, I’ll just go to the “top three excuses” thread.

Navy was just tougher. Better mental discipline playing in the cold.