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(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Isn't Rochester 30 minutes from Syracuse? It is just a special town almost for Kodak employees only, or used to be.
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(12-30-2017 12:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 12:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

I'd say they do have a team in Syracuse. Buffalo is also not terribly far, though Syracuse is a bigger brand and arguably the school for all of Upstate. Soon, Grand Rapids will overtake them as the largest although Western Michigan is an hour away.

Rutgers is closer to NYC than Syracuse is to Rochester but with that said, it's fair to argue that NYC doesn't have an FBS team, though it has a rich assortment of college teams in general, probably 20+ are a short subway ride from Manhattan. You could argue Oklahoma City doesn't have one though Norman isn't terribly far away.

Minnesota has only one D-I sports program, let alone one full scholarship football program.

What does Grand Rapids have to do with Upstate New York?

I'm saying Grand Rapids will soon take that title from Rochester as the largest metro without a D-I program though that is debateable.
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(12-30-2017 12:29 AM)ArQ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Isn't Rochester 30 minutes from Syracuse? It is just a special town almost for Kodak employees only, or used to be.

80-90 miles...still close enough that attending Syracuse sporting events isn't a terribly big deal for anyone dedicated enough, snowstorms be damned.
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(12-29-2017 11:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  IF you’re discounting FCS, technically Washington DC doesn’t have one, although Maryland and navy aren’t far away, and of course Towson and Morgan st in Baltimore. But none within the city limits that I can think of.

Georgetown and Howard are FCS within the District.
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(12-30-2017 12:20 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Started thinking earlier about how my hometown of St. Louis doesn't have any DI football in the entire metro while Chicago only has Northwestern (debatably NIU too), yet a smaller area like the NC Research Triangle happens to have Duke, UNC, NC State, NC Central, and Campbell. Got to thinking, and what are the smallest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the smallest without football (Baltimore is right behind them, though they have FCS with Towson); does Rochester have anyone in DI?

UMdTerps' FBS stadium is 30 road miles from InnerHarbor / Ravens' stadium. Navy is even closer at 27 miles from M&T.
FCS includes Morgan State in addition to Towson.

Maryland is closer to Washington than Baltimore, though I see your point.

No question College Park is more DC metro than Baltimore metro. But MD as state flagship 30 minutes from downtown Baltimore has to be given some credence.

If you asked me what DC Metro's college football team is, VaTech has to be in the conversation
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They may be the team most people in the region root for but they aren't in the general area. It's at least as close to Raleigh as it is to DC, if not closer.
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(12-30-2017 01:07 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They may be the team most people in the region root for but they aren't in the general area. It's at least as close to Raleigh as it is to DC, if not closer.

So maybe now it is time to ask the original poster, "So what?"
Are you trying to find those millions of urbanites something to do on a Saturday? Or are you trying to identify some untapped market?

Athens ain't Atlanta, but I bet UGA games get better local ratings than either Georgia Tech or Georgia State. I would guess ND broadcasts win Chicago Saturdays, and maybe other Big10 schools beat Northwestern or Illinois.
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(12-30-2017 12:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 12:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 12:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

I'd say they do have a team in Syracuse. Buffalo is also not terribly far, though Syracuse is a bigger brand and arguably the school for all of Upstate. Soon, Grand Rapids will overtake them as the largest although Western Michigan is an hour away.

Rutgers is closer to NYC than Syracuse is to Rochester but with that said, it's fair to argue that NYC doesn't have an FBS team, though it has a rich assortment of college teams in general, probably 20+ are a short subway ride from Manhattan. You could argue Oklahoma City doesn't have one though Norman isn't terribly far away.

Minnesota has only one D-I sports program, let alone one full scholarship football program.

What does Grand Rapids have to do with Upstate New York?

I'm saying Grand Rapids will soon take that title from Rochester as the largest metro without a D-I program though that is debateable.

Ah, I see, thanks.
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College Park, MD is in the Washington DC metro area.
Lawrence KS, University of Kansas is not in the Kansas City metro area.
Boulder, CO is not in the Denver metro area, but is in the Denver-Aurora Combined Metro Statistical Area and has long been considered to be a suburb of Denver whether it is officially or not. The University of Denver is a D1 non-football school in the city. CSU and UNC are in the Denver tv market. By an odd twist, so is the University of Wyoming.
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Lawrence may not be in the KC metro but anyone that wants to go to there from KC easily could in an easy round trip. Plus, it is in its media market.
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The Lancaster-Harrisburg-York triangle comes to mind, but it's not very concentrated individually. Actually, Harrisburg-York-Lebanon is a recognized combined statistical area, with over 1.2 million; 43rd largest CSA. Portland, ME is becoming this new hub...not big, but nothing up there. UMaine is more Bangor. Portland-Auburn is the 79th largest DMA, three behind Rochester. Scranton-Wilkes Barre in PA is 57th...nothing up there D1...you have to go east toward northern NJ, down the road to the Lehigh Valley for Lehigh and Lafayette, or drive further west to hit the area near PSU or Bucknell.

Some underserved ones that come to mind for football are Jacksonville and Boston. There is plenty going on around Cleveland, but nothing within it.
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(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Got to thinking, and what are the smallest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the smallest without football

I think you meant to say largest(?)
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(12-29-2017 10:33 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  New York doesn't have an FBS team. Neither does San Francisco (although Cal, Stanford, and San Jose State aren't very far.)

New York has 2 pro teams.

In addition to Rutgers (10 miles from Staten Island, 35 miles from midtown), West Point (Army) is also in the NYC Metro area, so there are 2 teams in nearby range.
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(12-29-2017 11:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 11:09 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Given how St. Louis no longer has an NFL team, it's a missed opportunity that Saint Louis U doesn't have a team and UMSL has a piss-poor athletic department. SLU in theory could've wound up in the AAC or UMSL in the MAC with decent followings for each, but neither decided to pursue football (or serious sports in general for UMSL). Missouri has always bled black and gold for Mizzou, interesting how Kansas City doesn't have a significant urban university sports program either.

Remember that the KC metro actually contains the University of Kansas.

Generally speaking, being the flagship university means significantly more to delivering the metro areas within its state (regardless of where that flagship might be physically located). To your point about the St. Louis metro, Mizzou and even Illinois (as a large portion of the metro is on the Illinois side) are simply going to be always more important for FBS purposes there even if a school like SLU added football.

Eh, I'd disagree about KC and Lawrence. There's a good 20-30 minutes of country between the far west suburbs and KU, Lawrence is slightly closer to Topeka in fact.

Your point about the flagships is right, but it still is fun to speculate about the 'what ifs' for vacant markets (in the sense that no significant program is based there) if their administrations pursued larger athletic departments decades ago. Mizzou was destined to be the team of St. Louis from the minute they became the land grant school for the state, but someone else could've been like Cincinnati to Ohio State. UMSL is a good example, when they were founded they were smack dab in the middle of a nice post-war suburb and could've tried to build something out of that, but never had much ambition for it.
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(12-30-2017 12:14 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:58 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Rochester does not have a D1 college.

Like Baltimore, Indianapolis doesn't have an FBS team, though they have FCS Butler.

I'd say they do have a team in Syracuse. Buffalo is also not terribly far, though Syracuse is a bigger brand and arguably the school for all of Upstate. Soon, Grand Rapids will overtake them as the largest although Western Michigan is an hour away.

Rutgers is closer to NYC than Syracuse is to Rochester but with that said, it's fair to argue that NYC doesn't have an FBS team, though it has a rich assortment of college teams in general, probably 20+ are a short subway ride from Manhattan. You could argue Oklahoma City doesn't have one though Norman isn't terribly far away.

Minnesota has only one D-I sports program, let alone one full scholarship football program.

I don’t think Bloomington is too far away from Indianapolis, so they do have that as an FBS option, although it could be argued it is not necessarily a very good one. Purdue is actually looks like it’s closer to Chicago, than Indianapolis, and South Bend looks like it may as well be a suburb of Chicago anyway, although it is a mystery that Chicago only has one true FBS team (Northwestern). U of Chicago used to have a team (and it played in the Big Ten too!!), but they dropped what was considered to be FBS at the time.
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(12-30-2017 10:55 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:33 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  New York doesn't have an FBS team. Neither does San Francisco (although Cal, Stanford, and San Jose State aren't very far.)

New York has 2 pro teams.

In addition to Rutgers (10 miles from Staten Island, 35 miles from midtown), West Point (Army) is also in the NYC Metro area, so there are 2 teams in nearby range.

LOL, I forgot about Army. So even if Rutgers is New Jersey's team, Army isn't necessarily New York's team but they are in range. I suppose if pushed, you could say anyone that lives in NYC that wants to watch college football has options even if neither is really New York's team.
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(12-30-2017 10:55 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:33 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  New York doesn't have an FBS team. Neither does San Francisco (although Cal, Stanford, and San Jose State aren't very far.)

New York has 2 pro teams.

In addition to Rutgers (10 miles from Staten Island, 35 miles from midtown), West Point (Army) is also in the NYC Metro area, so there are 2 teams in nearby range.

NYC has a few FCS schools within the five. Columbia, Fordham, and Wagner come to mind. You have Stony Brook, with a Manhattan campus, around those parts. And, if Rutgers is considered within the metro area, then let's not forget Monmouth. And, dare I say Princeton...another of those bridge and tunnel contributors with deep pockets?
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(12-30-2017 12:47 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2017 12:20 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 10:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-29-2017 08:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Started thinking earlier about how my hometown of St. Louis doesn't have any DI football in the entire metro while Chicago only has Northwestern (debatably NIU too), yet a smaller area like the NC Research Triangle happens to have Duke, UNC, NC State, NC Central, and Campbell. Got to thinking, and what are the smallest cities in the US without any local FBS, FCS, or even DI teams? I think St. Louis is the smallest without football (Baltimore is right behind them, though they have FCS with Towson); does Rochester have anyone in DI?

UMdTerps' FBS stadium is 30 road miles from InnerHarbor / Ravens' stadium. Navy is even closer at 27 miles from M&T.
FCS includes Morgan State in addition to Towson.

Maryland is closer to Washington than Baltimore, though I see your point.

No question College Park is more DC metro than Baltimore metro. But MD as state flagship 30 minutes from downtown Baltimore has to be given some credence.

If you asked me what DC Metro's college football team is, VaTech has to be in the conversation

Couldn’t Washington, DC’s metro and Baltimore’s metro be considered to be the same metro, ala’ DFW or Mpls-St.Paul? What big FBS, somewhat similar to size and influence to U of Texas influences them both, if you view Maryland as similar to SMU and Navy similarly to TCU ?
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Yes and no.

For these purposes, given the point, I say yes for what we're looking to figure out, yes.
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DMA, they are separate. CSA, they are united, and quite huge. 4th largest...stretching as far south as VA, as far west as WV, and as far north as southern PA.
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