(12-30-2017 01:38 PM)forerunner Wrote:  No, but we still love him. He's a good man and good recruiter. We're excited to see what a new staff can do with the talent.

(12-30-2017 07:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 07:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I think the Sanford haters are jumping to conclusions after just ONE season.I have no facts to support my opinion--just a calendar.

What does a calendar do to help your opinion?


Here's a conclusion for you and it's based off facts..first losing season since 2010. Worse/easiest schedule Western has played since moving up. Got worse the more games played. Got out coached in most if not all after halftime. Went from having a 1000 yard rusher in every season since 2009 (over 1500 yard in all but 1 maybe 2) to not being able to get 1000 total yards as a team.

But hey you got a calendar what ever in the hell that means

Amen. I disagree about your views on Todd Stewart ( he screwed the pooch on this hire though) but wholeheartedly agree on all your opinions on Sanford and our assistant coaches. He may b able to recruit but he can't coach. Maybe he'll get better but I'm not holding my breath. Sure hope I'm wrong

(12-30-2017 08:07 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 06:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 05:27 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Ours wasn't. We will see if he can recruit well enough to mask his coaching. I am betting he can't.

What grade would you give Stanford and what is the most important issue he needs to fix in the off season?

F-

Resign

I agree with the grade given but there’s no way he throws away the money that Todd Stewart threw at him.

I’d like to see him get rid of the following and replace them:

OC - Junior was the most predictable play caller since Jimmy Feix. Hard to believe he ever played the wide receiver position in college. Or....he’s scared to death of Sanford and calls what Sanford wants called.

O-Line Coach - I feel terrible for what he and his family have gone through. Probably best for all concerned if he goes back home to Ohio. Never should have been hired out of D3. I still don’t remember Western ever snatching a guy from D3 since we’ve been FBS

Special Teams Coordinator - Pops needs to go. Special teams got worse all year long. Was terrible by the end of the year. Was bad from the get go. The excuse makers tried to use injuries but that doesn’t explain kick team coverage.

Strength and Conditioning - More injuries than under any coach I remember. Went from a great one to one that obviously doesn’t know what he’s doing

To be honest I’d like to see the Dee Coordinator gone too. But no way he gets rid of both coordinators. The defense was getting GASHED the last 4 or 5 games. Couldn’t stop anybody.

Fair assessment. Sad but true

Sandford himself would not even be an assistant under Petrino or Brohm.

WKU had 2 former FBS coaches as assistants in Holt and Livine

What we lost in number of years of experience is nuts.

If WKU could hire conversational Petrino we could have promoted intense Holt, or even hired problematic Kiffin.
(Heck FAU just extended Kiffin 10 more years)

Either way we would have had more wins.

The fans that post care about the program and attend the games. Thats called PASSION.

Just look what our former coaching staff did at Purdue this past year.

I did not see that PASSION in Sanford nor did I see it in the players at our bowl game.

WKU had a coaching change in basketball last year but the difference was even though we did not
have a great season I saw a great effort and you just knew we were headed in the right direction.
Look what our basketball coach is doing this year with just 7 players. If the damn NCAA had approved our 2
players that our sitting on our bench at the start of the season I believe WKU would be undefeated.

It does not take long for a coach to develop a culture. How long does it take when a new manager is hired
at your place of work to figure out if the guy knows his stuff and can lead others in a successful direction.

NOT LONG - In my many years of experience in the corporate world, NOT ONE TIME did I ever see a hire
that I felt was in over his head or a blow hard at the start ever change into the great leader.

SO NO, Our coach was not worth 1/2 of what we paid him and based on his experience 1/2 of his salary is all we should have paid him.

All that being said I think Todd Stewart had done a great job as our athletic director but I am specifically talking about Sandford's in game performance, staff he hired, player development etc.

(01-01-2018 09:33 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

Sandford himself would not even be an assistant under Petrino or Brohm.

WKU had 2 former FBS coaches as assistants in Holt and Livine

What we lost in number of years of experience is nuts.

If WKU could hire conversational Petrino we could have promoted intense Holt, or even hired problematic Kiffin.
(Heck FAU just extended Kiffin 10 more years)

Either way we would have had more wins.

The fans that post care about the program and attend the games. Thats called PASSION.

Just look what our former coaching staff did at Purdue this past year.

I did not see that PASSION in Sanford nor did I see it in the players at our bowl game.

WKU had a coaching change in basketball last year but the difference was even though we did not
have a great season I saw a great effort and you just knew we were headed in the right direction.
Look what our basketball coach is doing this year with just 7 players. If the damn NCAA had approved our 2
players that our sitting on our bench at the start of the season I believe WKU would be undefeated.

It does not take long for a coach to develop a culture. How long does it take when a new manager is hired
at your place of work to figure out if the guy knows his stuff and can lead others in a successful direction.

NOT LONG - In my many years of experience in the corporate world, NOT ONE TIME did I ever see a hire
that I felt was in over his head or a blow hard at the start ever change into the great leader.

SO NO, Our coach was not worth 1/2 of what we paid him and based on his experience 1/2 of his salary is all we should have paid him.

All that being said I think Todd Stewart had done a great job as our athletic director but I am specifically talking about Sandford's in game performance, staff he hired, player development etc.

I think Todd Stewart does a great job. I think he swung for the fences with this hire, hoping to land the next boy wonder. Instead of a homerun we took a foul tip straight to the nuts. At least our basketball team is finally trending in the right direction so that I have something to focus on other than our crappy football.

(01-02-2018 09:32 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:33 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

Sandford himself would not even be an assistant under Petrino or Brohm.

WKU had 2 former FBS coaches as assistants in Holt and Livine

What we lost in number of years of experience is nuts.

If WKU could hire conversational Petrino we could have promoted intense Holt, or even hired problematic Kiffin.
(Heck FAU just extended Kiffin 10 more years)

Either way we would have had more wins.

The fans that post care about the program and attend the games. Thats called PASSION.

Just look what our former coaching staff did at Purdue this past year.

I did not see that PASSION in Sanford nor did I see it in the players at our bowl game.

WKU had a coaching change in basketball last year but the difference was even though we did not
have a great season I saw a great effort and you just knew we were headed in the right direction.
Look what our basketball coach is doing this year with just 7 players. If the damn NCAA had approved our 2
players that our sitting on our bench at the start of the season I believe WKU would be undefeated.

It does not take long for a coach to develop a culture. How long does it take when a new manager is hired
at your place of work to figure out if the guy knows his stuff and can lead others in a successful direction.

NOT LONG - In my many years of experience in the corporate world, NOT ONE TIME did I ever see a hire
that I felt was in over his head or a blow hard at the start ever change into the great leader.

SO NO, Our coach was not worth 1/2 of what we paid him and based on his experience 1/2 of his salary is all we should have paid him.

All that being said I think Todd Stewart had done a great job as our athletic director but I am specifically talking about Sandford's in game performance, staff he hired, player development etc.

I think Todd Stewart does a great job. I think he swung for the fences with this hire, hoping to land the next boy wonder. Instead of a homerun we took a foul tip straight to the nuts. At least our basketball team is finally trending in the right direction so that I have something to focus on other than our crappy football.

My personal view of Todd is a lying sack of **** but I'm a Western fan first...all the time. So I hope that's just a bias opinion.

There is no way to sugar coat how big of a mistake this hire was and not because of Sanford being young, a dreamer and hiring such a inexperience staff. I said it from the get go after listening to him talk and explain his views on offense. The hiring of his staff just added to it. But I would rather have ate **** and been 100% completely wrong on this.

The reason it was such a awful hire.....there was ZERO reason to make a hire that was going to go from a spread to a heavy run first team. To do so takes a rebuild of 2 or 3 recruiting classes.

This program moved away from that type of offense when Todd hired BP and it took a couple years to get the type of skill players in to do what Western did in 2016 and 2017 and the later part of 2015. That was with a seasoned coach in year one and a true offensive man wonder the following years.

So even if this guy starts to win in year 3 (I doubt that) this was about as bad of a hire Todd could have made. No freaking reason to make a hire and change the system. With that Todd is no different than Sanford......

he is a dreamer that had his mind made up on who he was hiring

Basketball is another story. I have nothing against Stansbury other than I truly dont think he's a good bench coach. I'm as happy as any other Western fan with the way the season is playing out. Right now. But we better win this season because I don't think there is no way Western wins (at a level a 3rd year coach should at Western) next year having to replace the motor that drives this team and the heart inside with JJ and Coleby. Hope I'm 100% wrong on that but next years team will be another season of replacing 75% of the team. Unless JA and Moustapha Diagne gets cleared.

If anyone has faith in Todd making a hire that isn't a well season experience coach in football. I don't know why. It takes a freaking idiot to do what he did to this football program. Sanford was Todd's first and only choice.

I have my doubts about Hopson at USM. That is all I will say.

(01-03-2018 02:20 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I have my doubts about Hopson at USM. That is all I will say.

considering your market and budget Hopson is a miracle worker.

I guess in the case of ODU, you get what you pay for? Wilder is 4th(?) lowest paid in the conference. Several ODU fans on the board have said Wilder has yet to prove he is an FBS coach. Others say our facilities aren't FBS worthy so we need to give him a break until we build our stuff. I think a lot of people here correctly predicted having a freshman 17 year old quarterback would be cause for a rough season, so I think we performed as expected.

No.

What do the Raider fans out there think about Stock? I think I he’s a great guy and has done wonders for APR. He has also gone through several coordinators. If you throw out the outlier seasons like 2008 and 2011, we are pretty much a .500 team most years. I don’t see us being a lot better anytime soon, but I don’t see us moving on from our current coach. Do you think most fans are resigned to being mid-tier and competitive in conference but not championship caliber? What’s interesting is that we were about the same in the OVC.

Let's see, was our coach worth his paycheck? Ummm..... NO.

Hopson isn't a great coach but he is cheap, there's no arguing that. We have historically underpaid our coaches and gotten a lot of bang for our buck. We are a teacher's and liberal arts school in South Mississippi.....we are never going to have a ton of money. Granted hopson eeked out 8 wins, beating several really really bad teams to get to that total. We also had a shamrock up our butts in both the LT and Marshall games.

Frank Wilson makes almost 1.2 million.....lol

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