(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  As you say, bottom line is the final score. But if we are going to be honest:

1) Missouri didn't get dominated by Texas. Missouri out-gained Texas 390 yards to 280 yards. Texas won because Missouri committed 4 turnovers to 0 for Texas and more penalties as well. More of a Missouri give-away than a Texas rout.

2) LSU lost to ND in the last minute on a great pass play, again, LSU out-gained Notre Dame, and had the ball 37 minutes to 22 minutes, but bungled chances at the Irish goal line. This was #17 losing to #14 in a very close game, no shame in that.

3) Auburn had more yards, more first downs, and 10 more minutes with the ball, UCF won because of turnovers and penalties, in a game that was their super bowl and AU couldn't care less about.

You can easily argue that the SEC team was better in all three games but lost because of self-inflicted wounds.

Like you say, a loss is a loss, but those losses hardly showed the SEC "falling off a cliff" after UGA and Alabama.

This is a good point.

This was a disappointment for Auburn to land in that game.

Auburn sure did not look disappointed during that game.

Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good point.

This was a disappointment for Auburn to land in that game.

Auburn sure did not look disappointed during that game.

Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

I think most people assumed they were better because they have a lot more talent.

The SEC part is, of course, a consideration but I know that wasn't why I thought they were better.

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Auburn sure did not look disappointed during that game.

Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

I think most people assumed they were better because they have a lot more talent.

The SEC part is, of course, a consideration but I know that wasn't why I thought they were better.

They sure didn't look to me like they had a lot more talent.

SEC has FLBPs for sure this year.

Truth is:
Saban and disciples 2-0
rest of SEC 2-5 and it took Michigan giving up 23 points in 18 minutes to blow a 16 point lead against a South Carolina team with an anemic offense to avoid 1-6.

It was overall a down year for the SEC.

And while Alabama did it, I didn't hear "SEC, SEC" once at the Rose Bowl.

(01-02-2018 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:03 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:35 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:19 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  SEC >acc, b1g, bxii and pac-12 COMBINED. That is all.

DOes the term top heavy mean anything to you?

Maybe at the very top that's true, but top to bottom, I think the B1G and ACC are better.

The SEC and B1G played two bowl games, NW barely squeaked by Kentucky while South Carolina dumped Michigan despite the B1G teams being big favorites in both. That doesn't speak to Big 10 middle-strength over the SEC.

The ACC? Wake Forest squeaked by TAMU while Louisville lost to Mississippi State, again, not much decisive there.

OK, let's be honest, Michigan flat out choked. They gave that game to SC. Either way, a barely lost is the same as a barely won.... Both register the same in the record book.

But if we're going to cherry pick, Missouri got their asses kicked by a 6-6 Texas team, LSU got beat by ND, and the conference "runner up" got beat by UCF. That doesn't speak the the strength of the mid SEC schools either.

Bottom line is that while GA and Bama are the cream of the crop, after that if falls off a cliff. The B1G is much more well rounded.

As you say, bottom line is the final score. But if we are going to be honest:

1) Missouri didn't get dominated by Texas. Missouri out-gained Texas 390 yards to 280 yards. Texas won because Missouri committed 4 turnovers to 0 for Texas and more penalties as well. More of a Missouri give-away than a Texas rout.

2) LSU lost to ND in the last minute on a great pass play, again, LSU out-gained Notre Dame, and had the ball 37 minutes to 22 minutes, but bungled chances at the Irish goal line. This was #17 losing to #14 in a very close game, no shame in that.

3) Auburn had more yards, more first downs, and 10 more minutes with the ball, UCF won because of turnovers and penalties, in a game that was their super bowl and AU couldn't care less about.

You can easily argue that the SEC team was better in all three games but lost because of self-inflicted wounds.

Like you say, a loss is a loss, but those losses hardly showed the SEC "falling off a cliff" after UGA and Alabama.

Missouri had more yards, but Texas dominated the whole game. Texas was the leader in non-offensive TDs in the nation this year. Interceptions by the defense are a key part of their game. You really can't argue effectively that Missouri was the better team. And while Missouri didn't have their offensive coordinator, Texas didn't have 6 starters, 3 who declared for the NFL (2 1st team All-Americans), 2 who were injured and one who got suspended. The Texas defense despite being minus 4 starters still dominated. The 4 turnovers were all great plays by the defense, not careless turnovers. (didn't see the other 2 games).

SEC the NIT champions.. in BB that gets you #65. In FB #2.

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  As you say, bottom line is the final score. But if we are going to be honest:

1) Missouri didn't get dominated by Texas. Missouri out-gained Texas 390 yards to 280 yards. Texas won because Missouri committed 4 turnovers to 0 for Texas and more penalties as well. More of a Missouri give-away than a Texas rout.

2) LSU lost to ND in the last minute on a great pass play, again, LSU out-gained Notre Dame, and had the ball 37 minutes to 22 minutes, but bungled chances at the Irish goal line. This was #17 losing to #14 in a very close game, no shame in that.

3) Auburn had more yards, more first downs, and 10 more minutes with the ball, UCF won because of turnovers and penalties, in a game that was their super bowl and AU couldn't care less about.

You can easily argue that the SEC team was better in all three games but lost because of self-inflicted wounds.

Like you say, a loss is a loss, but those losses hardly showed the SEC "falling off a cliff" after UGA and Alabama.

This is a good point.

This was a disappointment for Auburn to land in that game.

Auburn sure did not look disappointed during that game.

Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

Was just making the point. When Auburn got the lead their fans were on their feet, the arrogance was back, the T-Shirt fans were on social media. The truth is Milton was just a straight up baller.

UCF could have beaten any team in the country with that performance.

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:40 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Auburn sure did not look disappointed during that game.

Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

I think most people assumed they were better because they have a lot more talent.

The SEC part is, of course, a consideration but I know that wasn't why I thought they were better.

So much talent they beat both of the NIT finalist. But not enough to beat UCF speed...

(01-02-2018 08:31 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Actually:

UCF > sec, acc, b1g, b12, pac12

Actually UCF> Sec #3

It is after all the truth.

(01-02-2018 02:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Until they lost lol.

Even if they were disappointed, it is not an excuse for losing. If they were that good, they would have won the game anyway.

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

I think most people assumed they were better because they have a lot more talent.

The SEC part is, of course, a consideration but I know that wasn't why I thought they were better.

They sure didn't look to me like they had a lot more talent.

Well Pettway sat it out for the draft. Davis the starting All American corner sat it out for the draft. Johnson announced for the draft after the game and clearly wasn't up to speed after his injury and in spite of the lethargic Auburn offense they were still only a pass away from tying it at the end. UCF won. They were the better team that day and an excellent team all year. But Stidham threw a pick six and set up another score with a fumble. So I'd say our defense held the UCF 49 point per game offense to 21. Which with the state of the UCF defense should have been enough for Auburn to win. But they didn't. They had 3 maybe 4 turnovers and missed a field goal and settled for another when they were in the red zone.

Now UCF had something to do with that, but clearly Auburn's efforts were less than stellar.

But don't let that stop you from spewing venom because you have nothing this time of year to hang your hat on in Illinois.

(01-03-2018 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

I never said they did. They just would have assumed that Auburn was better than UCF because Auburn is in the SEC.

I think most people assumed they were better because they have a lot more talent.

The SEC part is, of course, a consideration but I know that wasn't why I thought they were better.

They sure didn't look to me like they had a lot more talent.

Well Pettway sat it out for the draft. Davis the starting All American corner sat it out for the draft. Johnson announced for the draft after the game and clearly wasn't up to speed after his injury and in spite of the lethargic Auburn offense they were still only a pass away from tying it at the end. UCF won. They were the better team that day and an excellent team all year. But Stidham threw a pick six and set up another score with a fumble. So I'd say our defense held the UCF 49 point per game offense to 21. Which with the state of the UCF defense should have been enough for Auburn to win. But they didn't. They had 3 maybe 4 turnovers and missed a field goal and settled for another when they were in the red zone.

Now UCF had something to do with that, but clearly Auburn's efforts were less than stellar.

But don't let that stop you from spewing venom because you have nothing this time of year to hang your hat on in Illinois.

What venom? Every bowl team that loses has excuses. This team had a couple guys sit out. That team lost their coach. Another team had injuries. Another one "wasn't motivated". Sorry, you get on the field and whatever happens, happens. That's why they play the game.

Many of the games depend heavily on the QB. UCF's looked better, and the rest of the team was good enough to get the job done.

The B1G had an awesome year. Regular season and bowl season. It’s a crime they didn’tget a chance to play for a title. Same for UCF.

Eight is enough. Four is not.

(01-04-2018 07:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The B1G had an awesome year. Regular season and bowl season. It’s a crime they didn’tget a chance to play for a title. Same for UCF.

Eight is enough. Four is not.

Maybe the Big 10 was the strongest conference overall. Doesn't mean their champ didn't get destroyed by both Iowa on the road and Oklahoma in their own house.

(01-04-2018 08:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 07:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The B1G had an awesome year. Regular season and bowl season. It’s a crime they didn’tget a chance to play for a title. Same for UCF.

Eight is enough. Four is not.

Maybe the Big 10 was the strongest conference overall. Doesn't mean their champ didn't get destroyed by both Iowa on the road and Oklahoma in their own house.

That's why I wasn't overly upset about the B1G getting left out.

Let's face it, while eye-wuh is an OK team, someone who wants in the CFP doesn't allow them to hang a 50 on you. No excuse for that. Combine that with tOSU not being all that impressive beating USC.

The committee probably made the right choice in Bama.

(01-03-2018 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  [quote='HeartOfDixie' pid='14951246' dateline='1514922479']

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

Plenty said UCF had no business being in the game. they were not close to Au.

But Stidham threw a pick six and set up another score with a fumble. So I'd say our defense held the UCF 49 point per game offense to 21. Which with the state of the UCF defense should have been enough for Auburn to win. But they didn't. They had 3 maybe 4 turnovers and missed a field goal and settled for another when they were in the red zone.
all we heard was how strong and big Au O line was. Well UCF out speeded them for 6 sacks. and got into Stidham's head. UCF was faster and better and AU couldn't handle the heat

Now UCF had something to do with that, but clearly Auburn's efforts were less than stellar.

But don't let that stop you from spewing venom because you have nothing this time of year to hang your hat on in Illinois.

The only undefeated team in the country was better than the #2 SEC school.. end of subject.

(01-04-2018 09:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  [quote='HeartOfDixie' pid='14951246' dateline='1514922479']

Well, and nobody said UCF wasn't good.

Plenty said UCF had no business being in the game. they were not close to Au.

But Stidham threw a pick six and set up another score with a fumble. So I'd say our defense held the UCF 49 point per game offense to 21. Which with the state of the UCF defense should have been enough for Auburn to win. But they didn't. They had 3 maybe 4 turnovers and missed a field goal and settled for another when they were in the red zone.
all we heard was how strong and big Au O line was. Well UCF out speeded them for 6 sacks. and got into Stidham's head. UCF was faster and better and AU couldn't handle the heat

Now UCF had something to do with that, but clearly Auburn's efforts were less than stellar.

But don't let that stop you from spewing venom because you have nothing this time of year to hang your hat on in Illinois.

The only undefeated team in the country was better than the #2 SEC school.. end of subject.

The #2 SEC school had 3 losses before losing to UCF and nobody thought they belonged in the playoffs. So how on earth does UCF beating a team that wasn't even a playoff calibre team mean that they deserved to be in the playoffs, much less be "national champions" without having won any playoff games?

UCF fans are reaching new lows of dumbness with this. It's embarrassing.

Why are 2 teams that lost to that same team UCF beat in the playoff?

(01-04-2018 10:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 09:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Plenty said UCF had no business being in the game. they were not close to Au.

But Stidham threw a pick six and set up another score with a fumble. So I'd say our defense held the UCF 49 point per game offense to 21. Which with the state of the UCF defense should have been enough for Auburn to win. But they didn't. They had 3 maybe 4 turnovers and missed a field goal and settled for another when they were in the red zone.
all we heard was how strong and big Au O line was. Well UCF out speeded them for 6 sacks. and got into Stidham's head. UCF was faster and better and AU couldn't handle the heat

Now UCF had something to do with that, but clearly Auburn's efforts were less than stellar.

But don't let that stop you from spewing venom because you have nothing this time of year to hang your hat on in Illinois.

The only undefeated team in the country was better than the #2 SEC school.. end of subject.

The #2 SEC school had 3 losses before losing to UCF and nobody thought they belonged in the playoffs. So how on earth does UCF beating a team that wasn't even a playoff calibre team mean that they deserved to be in the playoffs, much less be "national champions" without having won any playoff games?

UCF fans are reaching new lows of dumbness with this. It's embarrassing.

It’s amazing.

It’s all getting rather pathetic really.