(01-01-2018 03:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Why is South Carolina-Michigan a garbage matchup? Both were 8-4.

I don't see much to complain about with other bowls, either. One of the G5 bowls that looked like a big mismatch, Appalachian State-Toledo, turned out to be a big upset.

yep, and USC was clearly better than them.

(01-01-2018 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 12:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 11:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 11:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I can imagine Alabama losing - i watched them lose to Auburn a little more than a month ago.

I said I couldn't imagine Alabama losing by 31 to Iowa - and neither can you.

Since Alabama has played what, one true road game this decade?

who gives a rip? Which is tougher playing a putrid BYU team on the road, or playing a team like a Florida St on a neutral field? Sorry, but give me FSU any year every year.

This year both sucked so doing a true road game at altitude was much harder

FSU finished 7-6. And yeah, Alabama played them when they had their starting QB healthy..... FSU would have beaten BYU by 50......

Not that it matters but as we all know, FSU shouldn't have even been in their bowl game. I'm a Wisconsin fan and I'm at peace with not making the playoffs and it has nothing to do with this argument about BYU vs. FSU. Wisconsin needed to win the conference championship and they would have made the playoffs. They played a good game and outplayed OSU in the 2nd half BUT they didn't win. It's that simple. If Wisconsin had a few national titles and "won" the recruiting title every year like Alabama maybe they would have snuck in but no purpose in crying over spilled milk. The Selection Committee is a completely subjective process and wisconsin didn't get the benefit of the doubt over Alabama this year, but I think their performance this year could be a spring board for next year. They soundly beat Miami and they return an absolutely loaded offense next year as well as playing a "tougher" schedule.

(01-01-2018 11:03 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 12:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 11:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Since Alabama has played what, one true road game this decade?

who gives a rip? Which is tougher playing a putrid BYU team on the road, or playing a team like a Florida St on a neutral field? Sorry, but give me FSU any year every year.

This year both sucked so doing a true road game at altitude was much harder

FSU finished 7-6. And yeah, Alabama played them when they had their starting QB healthy..... FSU would have beaten BYU by 50......

Not that it matters but as we all know, FSU shouldn't have even been in their bowl game. I'm a Wisconsin fan and I'm at peace with not making the playoffs and it has nothing to do with this argument about BYU vs. FSU. Wisconsin needed to win the conference championship and they would have made the playoffs. They played a good game and outplayed OSU in the 2nd half BUT they didn't win. It's that simple. If Wisconsin had a few national titles and "won" the recruiting title every year like Alabama maybe they would have snuck in but no purpose in crying over spilled milk. The Selection Committee is a completely subjective process and wisconsin didn't get the benefit of the doubt over Alabama this year, but I think their performance this year could be a spring board for next year. They soundly beat Miami and they return an absolutely loaded offense next year as well as playing a "tougher" schedule.

why shouldn't they have been in their bowl game? They were well within their right of making up the cancelled game.

The problem I have is there are blowhards who think that think playing any game on the road is tougher than any neutral site game. And that is a bunch of crap. Sorry but playing Florida St neutral site is much tougher than playing a 4-9 BYU team on the road.

Wisconsin got bitten by the old truth that its worse to lose late than early.

(01-01-2018 11:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Wisconsin got bitten by the old truth that its worse to lose late than early.

No, they got bitten by the perception their schedule sucked. pretty mediocre division, poor crossover opponents, and poor OOC schedule. Played 1 good team and they lost to them.

Well, the SEC will claim the national championship this year. Bama put Clemson to bed and kept them out of the end zone. Georgia takes an epic game in 20Ts from Oklahoma.

So all the haters have something to think about. I think Bama proved they deserved that 4th slot. Their defense won the game tonight.

So Quo, it looks like the long odds came through. The SEC went 4-5 in the bowls with a couple of ugly losses and a couple of close ones, but in the end it will be SEC vs SEC for all the marbles. So we do so so in the bowls but win the biggest games. That's good enough to start a New Year. And finally the Dabo hype will die down some, although he has done a marvelous job.

(01-02-2018 12:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, the SEC will claim the national championship this year. Bama put Clemson to bed and kept them out of the end zone. Georgia takes an epic game in 20Ts from Oklahoma.

So all the haters have something to think about. I think Bama proved they deserved that 4th slot. Their defense won the game tonight.

So Quo, it looks like the long odds came through. The SEC went 4-5 in the bowls with a couple of ugly losses and a couple of close ones ...

Not that it matters, but my final bowl tally will have the SEC at 5-5. I have a rule in my system where if two teams from the same conference make the title game, the conference gets credit for a win in that game but not a loss.

(01-02-2018 12:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And finally the Dabo hype will die down some, although he has done a marvelous job.

Have to admit the SEC shocked me with two results: USC-East over Michigan, and yes, Alabama over Clemson.

Call me stupid, but I really believed the narrative that the Sugar game was going to be the passing of the torch from Saban to Dabo as the dominant force in college football. Saban proved me wrong all night long.

Not that this bothered me at all, LOL.

I have no doubt that Georgia and Alabama are the two best at this point. As the CFP is suppose to be the four best, ending up with two from the same conference should not be negated. Yes, some tire of seeing Alabama in there year after year. But they sustain that lofty status among the elite. A bright side, is that Georgia-Alabama will not be a season re-match.

Ohio State was given every consideration. There was not a slight there. The school that may have a reasonable beef about the system is UCF. Beyond being a G5, their one scheduled regular season game against a P5 school, GA Tech, got cancelled. The CFP overlords need to address the G5 access matter with better clarity and reasoning.

When the CFP was created, ALL conferences signed-off on it. Every P5 conference was given equivalent representation, at least numerical. For the most part, I believe they have tried to be fair in choosing the four best. It is human selecting, so a measure of subjectivity and value judgments will always be there in this system.

(01-02-2018 10:06 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have no doubt that Georgia and Alabama are the two best at this point. As the CFP is suppose to be the four best, ending up with two from the same conference should not be negated. Yes, some tire of seeing Alabama in there year after year. But they sustain that lofty status among the elite. A bright side, is that Georgia-Alabama will not be a season re-match.

Ohio State was given every consideration. There was not a slight there. The school that may have a reasonable beef about the system is UCF. Beyond being a G5, their one scheduled regular season game against a P5 school, GA Tech, got cancelled. The CFP overlords need to address the G5 access matter with better clarity and reasoning.

Not sure what better clarity they can provide? The committee picks who it thinks are the 4 best teams, using criteria like SOS, H2H, and conference titles to do so.

(01-02-2018 10:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:06 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have no doubt that Georgia and Alabama are the two best at this point. As the CFP is suppose to be the four best, ending up with two from the same conference should not be negated. Yes, some tire of seeing Alabama in there year after year. But they sustain that lofty status among the elite. A bright side, is that Georgia-Alabama will not be a season re-match.

Ohio State was given every consideration. There was not a slight there. The school that may have a reasonable beef about the system is UCF. Beyond being a G5, their one scheduled regular season game against a P5 school, GA Tech, got cancelled. The CFP overlords need to address the G5 access matter with better clarity and reasoning.

Not sure what better clarity they can provide? The committee picks who it thinks are the 4 best teams, using criteria like SOS, H2H, and conference titles to do so.

This...

Do we want the best four teams or some conglomeration of some other criteria?

(01-01-2018 03:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  South Carolina beats Michigan !!!

26-19

No perfect B1G, lol

No, that is the perfect Big Ten bowl record.

(01-02-2018 11:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 03:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  South Carolina beats Michigan !!!

26-19

No perfect B1G, lol

No, that is the perfect Big Ten bowl record.

Ohio State fans would agree with you on that. Other than the fact that they didn't get to play in the Rose Bowl, they're pretty ecstatic about this year's postseason.

(01-02-2018 10:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:06 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have no doubt that Georgia and Alabama are the two best at this point. As the CFP is suppose to be the four best, ending up with two from the same conference should not be negated. Yes, some tire of seeing Alabama in there year after year. But they sustain that lofty status among the elite. A bright side, is that Georgia-Alabama will not be a season re-match.

Ohio State was given every consideration. There was not a slight there. The school that may have a reasonable beef about the system is UCF. Beyond being a G5, their one scheduled regular season game against a P5 school, GA Tech, got cancelled. The CFP overlords need to address the G5 access matter with better clarity and reasoning.

Not sure what better clarity they can provide? The committee picks who it thinks are the 4 best teams, using criteria like SOS, H2H, and conference titles to do so.

And based on that I'm sure they would have guessed that Auburn was better than UCF.

Also, do they take into account margin of victory?

(01-02-2018 12:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And finally the Dabo hype will die down some, although he has done a marvelous job.

I know I’m biased but it is truly insufferable. He’s had a tremendous five year run but the way ESPN uses the kid gloves with him (always going for his staged media moments, ignoring his playing of injuries guys, etc) is over the top

(01-02-2018 02:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:06 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I have no doubt that Georgia and Alabama are the two best at this point. As the CFP is suppose to be the four best, ending up with two from the same conference should not be negated. Yes, some tire of seeing Alabama in there year after year. But they sustain that lofty status among the elite. A bright side, is that Georgia-Alabama will not be a season re-match.

Ohio State was given every consideration. There was not a slight there. The school that may have a reasonable beef about the system is UCF. Beyond being a G5, their one scheduled regular season game against a P5 school, GA Tech, got cancelled. The CFP overlords need to address the G5 access matter with better clarity and reasoning.

Not sure what better clarity they can provide? The committee picks who it thinks are the 4 best teams, using criteria like SOS, H2H, and conference titles to do so.

And based on that I'm sure they would have guessed that Auburn was better than UCF.

Also, do they take into account margin of victory?

I don't see how you cannot take MOV in to account.

And remember, the better team doesn't always win a given game. Syracuse wasn't as good as Clemson, but beat them. Iowa State wasn't as good as Oklahoma, but beat them. Sometimes, the worse team wins. It's called an upset.