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(01-03-2018 12:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  This year is a prime example of why at least 8 are needed

1) No clear cut Top 2
2) No clear cut Top 4
3) Two P5 conferences left out
4) Undefeated G5 Team (that beat the team that handed one of the NC teams their only loss)


Clemson (ACC Champ)
Georgia (SEC Champ)
Oklahoma (B12 Champ)
Ohio State (B10 Champ)
USC (P12 Champ)
Alabama (at-large)
Wisconsin (at-large)
UCF (G5 at-large)

Agreed. That is the way I see it.
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(01-03-2018 03:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What has Clay Travis ever been right about? Seriously?

He rose to prominence in 2010-11 when he speculated that N.C. State and Virginia Tech would be the next two schools added to the SEC. This was a leak intentionally floated by a certain group of insiders who were trying to see if there was a backlash to that kind of addition by the SEC fan base. So by being used he appeared smart for a short duration of time.

When that fell through his next big piece was how the SEC was going to print money with their network. Well we have, but nowhere near the astronomical projections of Travis.

Then his blog and online hype got him a gig with FOX where he turned from gold-plating everything the SEC did to criticizing everything it did.

His involvement with the Tennessee situation should have gotten him sued and if I were Schiano I would wait until the off season and file suit.

Now he's just trying to find relevance wherever he can. The only difference between Clay Travis and the Dude of West Virginia is that the Dude didn't have the connections to find a landing spot on a Network.

This. My immediate reaction was "Why do I care what Clay Travis thinks about anything"?
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RE: Clay Travis is on board with 8-team playoff, P5 G5 autobid, 2 wild cards
(01-03-2018 03:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:11 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:00 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:09 PM)ken d Wrote:  Poll voters didn't believe your #2 to be true this year. The top four were far ahead of #5 in both polls. Very few voters placed a different team in the top four.


There were three teams that fit prior criteria for playoff inclusion.

Then there were three contenders for spot 4 that didn't. (Bama, tOSU, USC)

There was also an unbeaten that deserved a shot and didn't get it.

The only criterion for playoff inclusion is that you be deemed one of the four best teams. Overwhelmingly, the four who were selected were voted ahead of the #5 team. This year was about as "clear cut" as we're going to get.


Conference champions
Quality wins
Body of work
Head to head
Etc

That's been specific criteria in the past. Each of the four vying for the final spot was sorely lacking compared to prior year critieria. Ohio St and USC got blown out and lost twice limiting their body of work. UCF and Bama had few if any quality wins. Bama wasn't a champ.

All failed by prior metrics.

I think you are confusing "considerations" with "criteria". The committee's charge is to select the four best teams. Nothing more, nothing less. How to rank those considerations in importance in any given year is purely up to the subjective discretion of each committee as it is constituted over time. Future committees are in no way bound by "precedent" set by earlier committees.

That being said, I would not be surprised if someone "in the know" were to tell me that decisions in these early years are sometimes made just to make the point that there are no hard and fast rules. One year, a champ may get in over an arguably stronger non-champ, and the next the committee could make a point of asserting that they can pick more than one team from the same conference.

Trying to outguess the committee is a futile exercise.


Well, many people think that Alabama is more like a 6th best or 7th best team. UCF have been considered a Top 4 team. The issue is that Alabama likes to schedule cupcakes every year which brings them down from being the best, and gets them exposed by other SEC schools every year. This year, Auburn exposed them as a fraud who they are.
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RE: Clay Travis is on board with 8-team playoff, P5 G5 autobid, 2 wild cards
(01-03-2018 04:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What has Clay Travis ever been right about? Seriously?

He rose to prominence in 2010-11 when he speculated that N.C. State and Virginia Tech would be the next two schools added to the SEC. This was a leak intentionally floated by a certain group of insiders who were trying to see if there was a backlash to that kind of addition by the SEC fan base. So by being used he appeared smart for a short duration of time.

When that fell through his next big piece was how the SEC was going to print money with their network. Well we have, but nowhere near the astronomical projections of Travis.

Then his blog and online hype got him a gig with FOX where he turned from gold-plating everything the SEC did to criticizing everything it did.

His involvement with the Tennessee situation should have gotten him sued and if I were Schiano I would wait until the off season and file suit.

Now he's just trying to find relevance wherever he can. The only difference between Clay Travis and the Dude of West Virginia is that the Dude didn't have the connections to find a landing spot on a Network.

This. My immediate reaction was "Why do I care what Clay Travis thinks about anything"?

No reason except that it's a very long time until football season starts again. We have to talk about something..
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Nobody likes Travis. Still, the playoffs will expand in time. It is inevitable and the motivation will be $.
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I love the 8-team format we all seem to think is coming. However, I'm not convinced it's a GIVEN the G5 champs are automatically the 8-seed. If they are, the only stipulation I'd add is: the 6 and 7 seeds must be CCG losers.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ystem-fair

Bowlsby not ready to talk--yet. Big issue is the clash between the bowls and playoffs. If you are not willing to dump the bowls, it creates logistical challenges for fans and for TV ratings. He suggests major bowls could have to move before Christmas if they go to 8.
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I see it expanding to 8 but don't see the autobids happening.

8 gets in the P5 champs most years
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(01-03-2018 05:28 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I love the 8-team format we all seem to think is coming. However, I'm not convinced it's a GIVEN the G5 champs are automatically the 8-seed. If they are, the only stipulation I'd add is: the 6 and 7 seeds must be CCG losers.

Why would you add that stipulation?

Also, we don't all seem to think it's coming. I think most realize it's unlikely.
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The creation of a new upper tier will happen before we ever go to an 8 team playoff.
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(01-03-2018 02:06 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:18 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:00 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Eight teams

Any conf champ in the top 12 gets in. UCF this year does, four loss Wisconsin in 2012 doesn't. Also allows for 2009 where both MWC TCU and WAC Boise were unbeaten and both get in.

Fill in with at-large based on existing playoff committee rules and they do the seeding.

Done.

Would have had the current four plus UCF, Ohio St, USC, and Wisconsin this year.
They would have just dropped UCF to 13.


Then tie conference champ autobids to a computer ranking then

Don't understand why were the team rank has to be an issue. I think if a team finishes the season after their CCG undefeated they deserve a shot in the 8 team playoff. Why give the voters a chance to play politics.


I'd be down for unbeaten autobids. Ranking is purely to make sure 4 loss "champions" aren't crashing the party. If you are unbeaten you deserve a shot

I really dont understand that thinking. Who cares if they lost 4 games? They won their conference on the field. For all we know their conference is so good that a 4-loss team is better than an undefeated team from another conference (lol...wait---I swear Ive heard that argument before).

If the 4-loss champ isnt any good--they will not win the championship. No harm done. Im simply far more accepting of a team that got to the playoff by making big plays at the right time than selecting a team because a group of ice skating judges say they passed the "eye test".

I just hate the subjective side of the CFP. The fewer slots a selection committee fills--the better. Just my personal view.
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(01-03-2018 06:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The creation of a new upper tier will happen before we ever go to an 8 team playoff.

Then so be it. The reality is half that upper tier will go from being a perennial 8 game winner to being habitually under .500. Nobody wants to risk that--nor do they really want national champs with 3 and 4 losses. Not to mention, the left behinds will claim a split championship every year..plus the networks lose a sizable hunk of the G5 fans who follow P5 football because they are "part of the same division" (at least in theory). It just doesnt seem like a great option.

Honestly, I think an 8 game playoff serves everyone well. All P5 champs are in (that means a P5 conference championship always means something), the G5 has some access, and deserving non-champs (like 'Bama) still have a route to the CFP.

I think we will end up at 8 because it makes alot of sense. Any bigger is too much. They talked about 8 in 2012--but it was just too big a jump. I think everyone can now see 8 makes a ton of sense for so many reasons. Yes--there will be some logistical issues--but they arent really that hard to overcome if the basic 8-team concept is agreed upon.
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(01-03-2018 07:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:06 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:18 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They would have just dropped UCF to 13.


Then tie conference champ autobids to a computer ranking then

Don't understand why were the team rank has to be an issue. I think if a team finishes the season after their CCG undefeated they deserve a shot in the 8 team playoff. Why give the voters a chance to play politics.


I'd be down for unbeaten autobids. Ranking is purely to make sure 4 loss "champions" aren't crashing the party. If you are unbeaten you deserve a shot

I really dont understand that thinking. Who cares if they lost 4 games? They won their conference on the field. For all we know their conference is so good that a 4-loss team is better than an undefeated team from another conference (lol...wait---I swear Ive heard that argument before).

If the 4-loss champ isnt any good--they will not win the championship. No harm done. Im simply far more accepting of a team that got to the playoff by making big plays at the right time than selecting a team because a group of ice skating judges say they passed the "eye test".

I just hate the subjective side of the CFP. The fewer slots a selection committee fills--the better. Just my personal view.


A team that lost four times doesn't deserve to tie up a spot for somebody who lost once or twice against similar SOS. Sometimes a conference doesn't produce a champ that is worthy of contention.
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(01-03-2018 07:38 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 07:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:06 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Then tie conference champ autobids to a computer ranking then

Don't understand why were the team rank has to be an issue. I think if a team finishes the season after their CCG undefeated they deserve a shot in the 8 team playoff. Why give the voters a chance to play politics.


I'd be down for unbeaten autobids. Ranking is purely to make sure 4 loss "champions" aren't crashing the party. If you are unbeaten you deserve a shot

I really dont understand that thinking. Who cares if they lost 4 games? They won their conference on the field. For all we know their conference is so good that a 4-loss team is better than an undefeated team from another conference (lol...wait---I swear Ive heard that argument before).

If the 4-loss champ isnt any good--they will not win the championship. No harm done. Im simply far more accepting of a team that got to the playoff by making big plays at the right time than selecting a team because a group of ice skating judges say they passed the "eye test".

I just hate the subjective side of the CFP. The fewer slots a selection committee fills--the better. Just my personal view.


A team that lost four times doesn't deserve to tie up a spot for somebody who lost once or twice against similar SOS. Sometimes a conference doesn't produce a champ that is worthy of contention.

These are college kids. Every now and then a team gels. NCSU lost a key player to injury and lost 10 games in the season and fell to 9-7 at one point before finishing 26-10. But then he came back and they rolled to the NCAA basketball championship game where they upset Houston. Nothing they did prior to that game was the least bit a fluke. They beat 5 top 10 teams and a #18 in their final 8 games starting with the ACC tourney.
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(01-03-2018 06:08 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I see it expanding to 8 but don't see the autobids happening.

8 gets in the P5 champs most years

Right 8 does cover the P5 champs. We haven't seen a P5 champ finish below the Top 8 I believe in 4 years of the CFP.

The only group that needs an autobid is the group of 5. Without an autobid to an access bowl with the way this committee is working they wouldn't be able to participate it.

G5 is proving that its worth an autobid to the 8 team playoff. Top of the G5 is competitive enough with the Top 10 to think they could play the #1 team in the country competitively, if not pull out an upset.
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(01-03-2018 11:46 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Never going to happen.

Everybody said the same about the 4 team playoff as well. The knights win along with the B1G and PAC getting left out has added more fuel to the fire.

But if you look at bowl payouts in the other thread...the Big Ten got more money than anyone, even the SEC with their two playoff teams (89 million to 60 million, I believe). I'm not sure what incentive the league offices would have to rock the boat right now.

Delany sold PSU down river last year...because he was happy that OSU got so much love and was awarded a spot in the final four to give the Big Ten that portion of the $$$. Not sure how much he cares about "fairness" or access to the title truly.
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(01-03-2018 07:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 02:06 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 01:18 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They would have just dropped UCF to 13.


Then tie conference champ autobids to a computer ranking then

Don't understand why were the team rank has to be an issue. I think if a team finishes the season after their CCG undefeated they deserve a shot in the 8 team playoff. Why give the voters a chance to play politics.


I'd be down for unbeaten autobids. Ranking is purely to make sure 4 loss "champions" aren't crashing the party. If you are unbeaten you deserve a shot

I really dont understand that thinking. Who cares if they lost 4 games? They won their conference on the field. For all we know their conference is so good that a 4-loss team is better than an undefeated team from another conference (lol...wait---I swear Ive heard that argument before).

If the 4-loss champ isnt any good--they will not win the championship. No harm done. Im simply far more accepting of a team that got to the playoff by making big plays at the right time than selecting a team because a group of ice skating judges say they passed the "eye test".

I just hate the subjective side of the CFP. The fewer slots a selection committee fills--the better. Just my personal view.

Agreed. Give the 4-loss team a #8 seed and make them play on #1's home field. If they stink, they'll lose. And if the team they upset isn't worthy of the at-large spot, then leave them out of the field. That's "fair" to the conference, if you ask me.
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If they go to 8 teams I think casual fans will only watch from rivalry week on if a wild card or CC game berth is on the line. There is simply no incentive to watch the season when teams with 2+ losses are still in contention the final two weeks.

Any Go5 school that consistently contends will be poached by the Big 12 and then we won't have the same discussion until the next up and comer comes along.
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For any of you thinking that the playoff will change at all from it's current format, think again.
The contracts are signed and it will be at least another 8 years before the format has a chance to change.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...four-teams
The College Football Playoff is staying at four teams for the length of the ESPN contract, according to quotes from the executive director.
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(01-04-2018 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  For any of you thinking that the playoff will change at all from it's current format, think again.
The contracts are signed and it will be at least another 8 years before the format has a chance to change.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...four-teams
The College Football Playoff is staying at four teams for the length of the ESPN contract, according to quotes from the executive director.

Sorry, I thought this discussion was all in terms of what happens when the current deal is up in 2025. No one's opening that can of worms between the 10 conferences, the bowls, NCAA governance and ESPN before then.

The only thing that could realistically happen, because it doesn't restructure the flow of millions and millions of dollars, is The Powers That Be retire the Committee and bring back the BCS formula.
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