(01-04-2018 04:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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I actually fully support doing this to ruffle feathers...but I've got a feeling it's really more self-congratulatory "Power 6" talk that won't really bring us closer to a playoff expansion.

The P6 talk is garbage, trying to demean peers and kick them down the ladder.

UCF'S talk is finding themselves in a rare fortunate position and using it to exert influence and highlight disparities on behalf of its peers to move them up the ladder.

I see a big difference.

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I agree with this. it comes across totally different

https://twitter.com/UCF_Football/status/...3029486602

UCF's AD was interviewed by ESPN and used the nonsense "Power 6" term several times. Screw them.

(01-04-2018 04:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:07 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I don't understand how G5 fans can be so dense about what UCF is trying to do. They are not literally claiming the National Championship...they are making a point...on behalf of all of our G5 programs.

People complain about nobody in the G5 standing up to the cartel...one does and you want to hammer it down.

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No, they are literally claiming the national championship.

You think they actually believe they are the National Champions and are not just trolling the CFP and its exclusionary format?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could actually believe that. But people believe the earth is flat so...to each his own.

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They have taken it past the trolling stage ... listen to what they are saying, read what they are tweeting ... hell, a parade in Disney World. This is not a troll job.

If they turn it from G5 access to an extension of the P6 garbage, then they are wasting an opportunity for G5 leadership...and will be alone.

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(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The problem here is that people want to make a post-hoc declaration that UCF should be in the CFP or should be the national champ based on the bowl game. Not one person was saying they needed to be in the CFP before the Peach Bowl.

Yet the one team that most everyone agreed deserved the #1 seed based on the regular season gets beaten soundly by Alabama, and people want to say Alabama didn't deserve to be in. Alabama beat convincingly a team that beat Auburn, so applying that logic Alabama has to be better, right?

BTW, where was all the complaining that Western Michigan didn't make the CFP when they were undefeated?

Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

Not that it matters, but I called for it before Bama took the 4th spot. Undefeated teams should have a shot at the NC. We dont know what could happen if they were brought into the game they could be another Hawaii getting spanked in the Sugar Bowl or the could be a TCU, Utah, Boise type team and play hard on any given saturday.

It clearly cements that G5 teams are not meant to be at the table. We are meant to pad their schedules so they can get six wins and complain about too many bowls, we are meant to give on the job training for their future coaches, and we're meant to fill the weekday schedules of ESPN because they sure as hell wont.

(01-04-2018 05:23 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The problem here is that people want to make a post-hoc declaration that UCF should be in the CFP or should be the national champ based on the bowl game. Not one person was saying they needed to be in the CFP before the Peach Bowl.

Yet the one team that most everyone agreed deserved the #1 seed based on the regular season gets beaten soundly by Alabama, and people want to say Alabama didn't deserve to be in. Alabama beat convincingly a team that beat Auburn, so applying that logic Alabama has to be better, right?

BTW, where was all the complaining that Western Michigan didn't make the CFP when they were undefeated?

Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

Not that it matters, but I called for it before Bama took the 4th spot. Undefeated teams should have a shot at the NC. We dont know what could happen if they were brought into the game they could be another Hawaii getting spanked in the Sugar Bowl or the could be a TCU, Utah, Boise type team and play hard on any given saturday.

It clearly cements that G5 teams are not meant to be at the table. We are meant to pad their schedules so they can get six wins and complain about too many bowls, we are meant to give on the job training for their future coaches, and we're meant to fill the weekday schedules of ESPN because they sure as hell wont.

And a lot of our AD's and Presidents and coaches do nothing to rock the boat or work together because they too hope someday to leave and be making big money defending it.

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So I guess UCF is self indentifying itself as a national champion. Crazy times indeed

It sucks for them, but they didn't schedule anyone. And just like any G5, they could have gotten an away game at a top school.

Here's their resume

FIU - Won 7 FBS games, but did so against teams that combined for a total FBS record of 27-54 (only 1 team had a winning record)
Maryland (road) - Won 3 FBS games
Memphis (twice at home) - They're a good team, but no real resume builder this year. Beat ULM and UCLA out of conference.
Cincy - Won 3 FBS games
ECU - Won 3 FBS games and lost to a FCS team
Navy - Won 7 FBS games
Austin Peay - FCS games only count if you lose them
SMU - Won 6 FBS games
UConn - Won 2 FBS games
Temple - Won 6 FBS games
USF - Legit decent team, winning 9 games. But again, combined record of teams they beat.....28 wins and 77 losses.

Auburn - Definite statement win. But Auburn had FOUR losses.

If UCF had played and beaten Auburn during the regular season, they would have deserved to go to the playoffs, but they chose instead to schedule 2 crappy P5s that historically will rarely be on of any team's 'playoff resume'.

The AD tried to paid themselves into the light of that nobody would schedule them ... but his problem is that he is only willing to do home-and-home with P5 schools. Well guess what buddy, the schools you need to play to get in the Playoff, are not going to give you a H&H. Also, last time I checked, I don't think UCF is shelling out 1.4 million for a home game either.

(01-04-2018 03:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

The hate for the G5 on this board is amazing. You guys are actually saying that the G5 should not get in.

You have no idea who the best four teams are. No one does. It is all subjective, which is the problem with Division I college football as a whole. My wife’s alma mater won the DII championship this year. They were the fifth seed out of seven in their regional. If they played in a restrictive playoff like like the CFP then they wouldn’t have. And that is the whole point of a playoff.

The College Football “Playoff” is still the setup from the bowl system. Designed to take as much money from univerisities and keep it for themselves. It is the only sport that a champion is not sanctioned by the NCAA. One of the reasons we were told we couldn’t get rid of it was due to the sanctity of the regular season. The CFP allowed a team that wasn’t even a divisional champ into the field, getting rid of that notion altogether.

Were basketball done like this, no one would have heard of Davidson or Gonzaga since they would have been excluded from the tourney.

The CFP is a complete joke and as long as undefeated teams are excluded non-divisional champions, I’m all for calling out the flawed system.

(01-05-2018 11:53 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  The AD tried to paid themselves into the light of that nobody would schedule them ... but his problem is that he is only willing to do home-and-home with P5 schools. Well guess what buddy, the schools you need to play to get in the Playoff, are not going to give you a H&H. Also, last time I checked, I don't think UCF is shelling out 1.4 million for a home game either.

Another built in advantage...P5 controls who gets home and home....G5 has no control over home and home.

And that is fine as long as all conference champions get into the playoff. Then the home and home control that P5 holds does not impact the G5's playoff access or shot at post-season glory like it does now.

Here's a playoff scenario that gets everyone a shot.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-radic...18359.html

(01-04-2018 01:25 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Alabama claims several unofffical titles. Including one season they went 9-2. Why not

To be fair, Alabama was declared a national champion by the Houlgate System that year (1941), which was published in national papers between the 1930 and 1950's. So technically, they did finish #1 in a legit "poll."

The problem with UCF is, they likely aren't going to finish #1 or #2 in any legit poll. You can't really claim a national championship if no real poll or major media outlet hasn't declared you as national champion.

I know it sucks to be UCF and not gotten a chance to get in the Playoff, but Boise State, TCU, and even Auburn had undefeated seasons during the BCS era, but none of them claimed a national championship, despite being hosed by the BCS.

(01-05-2018 01:47 PM)moonshine Wrote:  Here's a playoff scenario that gets everyone a shot.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-radic...18359.html

"The champions of those conferences all make the playoff."

That's all I care about. There are several options that provide that. This one does so I approve.

8 teams with the top ranked G5 a guaranteed spot would do for a start. That would include all P5 champs plus two at-large bids. They already have 6 bowls in the Playoff system (Orange, Fiesta, Cotton, Rose, Sugar and Peach) so that's enough bowls for a 12 team playoff if they wanted to do it.

(01-05-2018 01:11 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

The hate for the G5 on this board is amazing. You guys are actually saying that the G5 should not get in.

You have no idea who the best four teams are. No one does. It is all subjective, which is the problem with Division I college football as a whole. My wife’s alma mater won the DII championship this year. They were the fifth seed out of seven in their regional. If they played in a restrictive playoff like like the CFP then they wouldn’t have. And that is the whole point of a playoff.

The College Football “Playoff” is still the setup from the bowl system. Designed to take as much money from univerisities and keep it for themselves. It is the only sport that a champion is not sanctioned by the NCAA. One of the reasons we were told we couldn’t get rid of it was due to the sanctity of the regular season. The CFP allowed a team that wasn’t even a divisional champ into the field, getting rid of that notion altogether.

Were basketball done like this, no one would have heard of Davidson or Gonzaga since they would have been excluded from the tourney.

The CFP is a complete joke and as long as undefeated teams are excluded non-divisional champions, I’m all for calling out the flawed system.

No..I'm saying that UCF did not have a resume, even with an undefeated record, that merited consideration for a playoff containing the top 4 teams.

Houston had a schedule a couple of years ago that would have demanded inclusion, but they lost a couple of intraconference games.

UCF could have gotten a payday game at a top P5. They chose to schedule Maryland, FIU, and Georgia Tech instead. None of those teams are going to impress a bowl committee in most years. The rest of the schedule....beating one decent team twice (who went 1-1 vs average P5 teams) and another 'meh' team once (whose teams they beat have combined for 77 losses). Oh, and three of those games....were at home. Best road win was at a 7-6 Navy team, and that game was a lot closer than the final score.

There is a path for a G5 to get into the playoff it is

1) Go undefeated
2) BEAT AT LEAST 1 TOP TIER P5 TEAM
3) Beat at least one other Top 25 team
4) Have less than 4 other teams finish undefeated

UCF failed on Number 2.

What I'm also saying is this...AAC teams cannot schedule OOC like they have a SEC conference schedule to make a playoff case. In that respect, they're just like any team in the Sun Belt.

(01-05-2018 04:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 01:11 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

The hate for the G5 on this board is amazing. You guys are actually saying that the G5 should not get in.

You have no idea who the best four teams are. No one does. It is all subjective, which is the problem with Division I college football as a whole. My wife’s alma mater won the DII championship this year. They were the fifth seed out of seven in their regional. If they played in a restrictive playoff like like the CFP then they wouldn’t have. And that is the whole point of a playoff.

The College Football “Playoff” is still the setup from the bowl system. Designed to take as much money from univerisities and keep it for themselves. It is the only sport that a champion is not sanctioned by the NCAA. One of the reasons we were told we couldn’t get rid of it was due to the sanctity of the regular season. The CFP allowed a team that wasn’t even a divisional champ into the field, getting rid of that notion altogether.

Were basketball done like this, no one would have heard of Davidson or Gonzaga since they would have been excluded from the tourney.

The CFP is a complete joke and as long as undefeated teams are excluded non-divisional champions, I’m all for calling out the flawed system.

No..I'm saying that UCF did not have a resume, even with an undefeated record, that merited consideration for a playoff containing the top 4 teams.

Houston had a schedule a couple of years ago that would have demanded inclusion, but they lost a couple of intraconference games.

UCF could have gotten a payday game at a top P5. They chose to schedule Maryland, FIU, and Georgia Tech instead. None of those teams are going to impress a bowl committee in most years. The rest of the schedule....beating one decent team twice (who went 1-1 vs average P5 teams) and another 'meh' team once (whose teams they beat have combined for 77 losses). Oh, and three of those games....were at home. Best road win was at a 7-6 Navy team, and that game was a lot closer than the final score.

There is a path for a G5 to get into the playoff it is

1) Go undefeated
2) BEAT AT LEAST 1 TOP TIER P5 TEAM
3) Beat at least one other Top 25 team
4) Have less than 4 other teams finish undefeated

UCF failed on Number 2.

What I'm also saying is this...AAC teams cannot schedule OOC like they have a SEC conference schedule to make a playoff case. In that respect, they're just like any team in the Sun Belt.

How many Top 25's did Alabama beat this year? Serious question.

(01-05-2018 06:47 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 04:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 01:11 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Hindsight is 20-20, you've got to put the best 4 teams in using the most fair way possible, and that was done.

The hate for the G5 on this board is amazing. You guys are actually saying that the G5 should not get in.

You have no idea who the best four teams are. No one does. It is all subjective, which is the problem with Division I college football as a whole. My wife’s alma mater won the DII championship this year. They were the fifth seed out of seven in their regional. If they played in a restrictive playoff like like the CFP then they wouldn’t have. And that is the whole point of a playoff.

The College Football “Playoff” is still the setup from the bowl system. Designed to take as much money from univerisities and keep it for themselves. It is the only sport that a champion is not sanctioned by the NCAA. One of the reasons we were told we couldn’t get rid of it was due to the sanctity of the regular season. The CFP allowed a team that wasn’t even a divisional champ into the field, getting rid of that notion altogether.

Were basketball done like this, no one would have heard of Davidson or Gonzaga since they would have been excluded from the tourney.

The CFP is a complete joke and as long as undefeated teams are excluded non-divisional champions, I’m all for calling out the flawed system.

No..I'm saying that UCF did not have a resume, even with an undefeated record, that merited consideration for a playoff containing the top 4 teams.

Houston had a schedule a couple of years ago that would have demanded inclusion, but they lost a couple of intraconference games.

UCF could have gotten a payday game at a top P5. They chose to schedule Maryland, FIU, and Georgia Tech instead. None of those teams are going to impress a bowl committee in most years. The rest of the schedule....beating one decent team twice (who went 1-1 vs average P5 teams) and another 'meh' team once (whose teams they beat have combined for 77 losses). Oh, and three of those games....were at home. Best road win was at a 7-6 Navy team, and that game was a lot closer than the final score.

There is a path for a G5 to get into the playoff it is

1) Go undefeated
2) BEAT AT LEAST 1 TOP TIER P5 TEAM
3) Beat at least one other Top 25 team
4) Have less than 4 other teams finish undefeated

UCF failed on Number 2.

What I'm also saying is this...AAC teams cannot schedule OOC like they have a SEC conference schedule to make a playoff case. In that respect, they're just like any team in the Sun Belt.

How many Top 25's did Alabama beat this year? Serious question.

CFP ranked, Two Regular season 23 MSST, 17 LSU UCF beat 20 Memphis twice the CFP conveniently did not have USF ranked but the other two polls did at 23 and 24.

And the SEC is consistently overrated, play no one in the regular season and then don’t lose their ranking in conference because they are “so good.” The system is rigged and the G5 will always be second tier due to it. Every sport the NCAA offers has a legit chance to play for a title, except football.

And you are kidding yourself if you think Houston would have gotten in.

(01-05-2018 07:09 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  And the SEC is conss Gently overrated, play no one in the regular season and then don’t lose their ranking in conference because they are “so good.” The system is rigged and the G5 will always be second tier due to it. Every sport the NCAA offers has a legit chance to play for a title, except football.

And you are kidding yourself if you think Houston would have gotten in.

Point made...with an EXCLAMATION MARK(!)