I am officially fed up with NCAA. I will always love college sports, but I don’t like the NCAA anymore. This business of letting college players skip bowl games for the draft is a travesty!!! A bowl game is supposed to be a reward for the players for what they accomplished during the season, and they want to bypass their reward for the No Fun League draft that nobody wil watch except for players, their families, their friends, and maybe their teammates. There is supposed to be no “I” in team. Guess I was wrong. If players are wanting to skip bowl games for the draft, go ahead and declare for the draft at the beginning of the season so you won’t get hurt during the regular season either. No wonder Auburn lost their bowl game, with players having egos too big to help the team. Shame on those players. But I want to get down to the root cause of why this is happening to begin with. The NCAA has been a joke since the SMU death penalty. Get rid of it. Nobody really cares about it anymore.

.....and what exactly do you propose the NCAA do about "letting" professional-bound players skip bowl games? Strip them of their remaining collegiate eligibility?

Of all the issues that the NCAA may have, thats among the least of my concerns. I dont even think there's anything the NCAA can (or should) do about players skipping bowls. Personally, what I'd like to see the NCAA do is a no contact period for coaches between the start of the season and end of the bowls. Let coaching hop scotch begin after bowl season. Move national signing day to March in order to give the new coaches time to reconsolidate their new recruiting classes.

(01-05-2018 08:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Of all the issues that the NCAA may have, thats among the least of my concerns. I dont even think there's anything the NCAA can (or should) do about players skipping bowls. Personally, what I'd like to see the NCAA do is a no contact period for coaches between the start of the season and end of the bowls. Let coaching hop scotch begin after bowl season. Move national signing day to March in order to give the new coaches time to reconsolidate their new recruiting classes.

I like the intentions, and I know very little about recruiting, but wouldn't that make it awfully hard for coaches to evaluate talent? Do scouts no longer go to high school games, which are during college season?

(01-05-2018 09:18 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Of all the issues that the NCAA may have, thats among the least of my concerns. I dont even think there's anything the NCAA can (or should) do about players skipping bowls. Personally, what I'd like to see the NCAA do is a no contact period for coaches between the start of the season and end of the bowls. Let coaching hop scotch begin after bowl season. Move national signing day to March in order to give the new coaches time to reconsolidate their new recruiting classes.

I like the intentions, and I know very little about recruiting, but wouldn't that make it awfully hard for coaches to evaluate talent? Do scouts no longer go to high school games, which are during college season?

I think he was talking about Universities and Colleges not being able to contact or negotiate with Coaches during the season.

(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Bogg Wrote:  .....and what exactly do you propose the NCAA do about "letting" professional-bound players skip bowl games? Strip them of their remaining collegiate eligibility?

I propose abolishing the NCAA itself. This issue is the classic cherry on top. We have the Penn State situation, the Baylor situation, the UNC situation, ...do I really need to list any more instances where the NCAA was exposed to be nothing but a paper tiger??

(01-05-2018 08:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Of all the issues that the NCAA may have, thats among the least of my concerns. I dont even think there's anything the NCAA can (or should) do about players skipping bowls. Personally, what I'd like to see the NCAA do is a no contact period for coaches between the start of the season and end of the bowls. Let coaching hop scotch begin after bowl season. Move national signing day to March in order to give the new coaches time to reconsolidate their new recruiting classes.

See above post.

(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Bogg Wrote:  .....and what exactly do you propose the NCAA do about "letting" professional-bound players skip bowl games? Strip them of their remaining collegiate eligibility?

^^^
This.

It's kind of like a kid who is on scholarship deciding to skip their Spring Semester (and graduation) to focus on the NFL combine. Once they have played that final collegiate game, what are you going to do to the kid? Suspend him? Declare him "ineligible?" OK, there he may count against a school's APR, but there's nothing you can do about it.

The Bowl games are exhibition games and, even in the case of the CFP, if a kid who's "done" with school decides to "sit it out" for the sake of not wanting to get hurt, or have a poor performance, or whatever...they can do so.

Perhaps things would change if an NFL team or coach came out and said openly that doing that would be a trait which might hurt a candidate in their own eyes, but there will always be enough teams who will take a high-talent kid who decided to skip on their final game(s) that I can't see any real penalty being incurred.

(01-05-2018 08:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Of all the issues that the NCAA may have, thats among the least of my concerns. I dont even think there's anything the NCAA can (or should) do about players skipping bowls. Personally, what I'd like to see the NCAA do is a no contact period for coaches between the start of the season and end of the bowls. Let coaching hop scotch begin after bowl season. Move national signing day to March in order to give the new coaches time to reconsolidate their new recruiting classes.

I don't have any problems with it in anything but a playoff bowl, especially the high draft choices. Texas had 3 juniors who were declaring sit out (2 All-Americans and the other a sure draft pick) in addition to having 2 injured, 3 suspended and 1 transfer out of our 2 deep and still won its bowl. I would have been ok if we lost due to them serving their own best interests.

Now if it was a playoff game, that would be different.

(01-05-2018 09:29 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Bogg Wrote:  .....and what exactly do you propose the NCAA do about "letting" professional-bound players skip bowl games? Strip them of their remaining collegiate eligibility?

I propose abolishing the NCAA itself. This issue is the classic cherry on top. We have the Penn State situation, the Baylor situation, the UNC situation, ...do I really need to list any more instances where the NCAA was exposed to be nothing but a paper tiger??

And that would "fix" your situation...HOW???

Now the NCAA does need a major overhaul.

North Carolina.

The whole Penn St. fiasco whether you think they gave them a break or whether you think they exceeded their authority and bullied them into an illegal agreement (the part to send money out of state got thrown out in court).

Cam Newton and how they found legalese to say it was ok for his dad to shop him around without Cam getting penalized.

Georgia Tech where they nailed them to the wall because one player got $300 in clothes from an agent and the coach asked him about it when the NCAA didn't want him to talk to his own player.

I don’t know why anyone would bother to defend the NCAA, but here is what I am going after: I want coaches banned for life who would abuse minors or players, but there must be undeniable proof that it occurred, such as police or sheriff deputy’s report. That would trigger the lifetime ban. And as for coaches who try to protect or defend these deplorable coaches, they would get slapped with a very long show cause penalty/ban. The new organization would work with SACS (accreditation agency) and other accreditation agencies to make sure that colleges & universities aren’t creating bogus classes just to make sure that their star player(s) make their passing grades.
Allow coaches to legitimately help out players truly in need, but make sure that ability does not get abused. Make the penalties for violations fair & make them stick. None of this really addresses about players skipping bowl games for the NFL, but if a new sheriff was in charge of watching over college sports, the NFL might be willing to listen. Stop making Appalachian State pay for something that UNC did, or Louisiana Tech for something LSU did. Ask the players what would be reasonable accommodations in addition to their scholarship that would make their college experience worthwhile to them and do it!! Bring back the college football and college basketball video games!!!

(01-05-2018 09:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Now the NCAA does need a major overhaul.

North Carolina.

The whole Penn St. fiasco whether you think they gave them a break or whether you think they exceeded their authority and bullied them into an illegal agreement (the part to send money out of state got thrown out in court).

Cam Newton and how they found legalese to say it was ok for his dad to shop him around without Cam getting penalized.

Georgia Tech where they nailed them to the wall because one player got $300 in clothes from an agent and the coach asked him about it when the NCAA didn't want him to talk to his own player.

Exactly!!

(01-05-2018 09:29 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Bogg Wrote:  .....and what exactly do you propose the NCAA do about "letting" professional-bound players skip bowl games? Strip them of their remaining collegiate eligibility?

I propose abolishing the NCAA itself. This issue is the classic cherry on top. We have the Penn State situation, the Baylor situation, the UNC situation, ...do I really need to list any more instances where the NCAA was exposed to be nothing but a paper tiger??

Okay - the NCAA's gone, now what? How do we force unpaid players to play an exhibition game they don't want to play when there's no leverage to do so? Their whole thing is that they don't want to play college sports anymore.

The simple solution is to have the NFL draft similar to the MLB draft. Make it so all players after their 3rd year are eligible to be drafted. If the player gets drafted they can decide if the accept the contract or come back. No more declaring for the draft. No more forcing kids to lose eligibility because they got bad advice. It would also make the draft more interesting. Say Lamar Jackson drops to the 3rd round after projecting to be first or secound round he can now choose to say no and come back in hopes of a higher pick the next year. You could have draft weekend and acceptance day monday.

Doing this will potentially stop any sitting out except for seniors with no eligibility left. Playing in the bowls will add to possible future draft stock.