The only thing I have against the A10 is that almost ALL of those schools completely sacrifice every sport for the sake of their MBB programs. It's the opposite of the JMU approach (fully funding all varsity sports & seriously supporting women's athletics). It's laughable to compare an A10 school's MBB budget & that same school's WBB budget. For this reason (among others), I don't give any move much of a chance.

(01-31-2018 03:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 03:14 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  All sports except football to A-10 would be a huge win and big step up in Basketball for JMU. And, would give us the flexibility in football we may need .
Don't think it will happen, but worth exploring if Lasalle leaves.

Not trying to pick on you, but a move to the A10 doesn't change our football situation at all. CAA Football (while operated by the same administrative team) is a separate entity from the CAA. We have all the same options as "full" CAA members as we would if we moved to every thing else to the A10 & our football stayed in the CAA Football conference.

Yep, been preaching this for years. We'd be identical to our beloved friend two hours to the east.

(01-30-2018 06:55 PM)Navyduke 07 Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 02:52 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I'll put this in this thread I suppose. As much of an upgrade as the Atlantic 10 supposedly was for VCU and GMU, it is now projected to be a 1 bid conference for the first time since they bailed. So much for progress?

Eh I don’t know about that. VCU who I follow since I went grad school there has had three coaches in as many years. Dayton is usually solid. Rhode Island always has a good team. Might just be an off year. St Bonny’s also.

I agree with your post but I believe the A10 will no longer be a 3-4 bid league. Temple and Xavier meant even more to the A10 than ODU and VCU did to the CAA. They were 2 almost guaranteed bids each year. With those two gone, the league is likely to be a 1-2 bid league most years.

I believe CAA teams were 5-5 this year against A10 schools. JMU lost on a last second shot at UR and had the GMU game taken away from them by the officials. Imagine if those two games went the other way? The last place CAA team would be 2-0 against A10 teams with one of the wins being against a school currently in second place in the A10.

The current A10 is equivalent to the old CAA before the defections so I agree with the first poster too. This years A10 is not the move up UR, VCU and GMU wanted.

GMU’s climb was all about Larranaga. Once he left, there time in the sun ended. They are destined to be another GW going forward. I think VCU will get their mojo back but GMU is going to be like Charlotte. A lost program in a city where pro sports rule the town.

Up to 2.6

I haven’t chimed in on this thread yet and I don’t know what my confidence level is for 2019-2020 season. We don’t know which players will be added and which players will leave. We don’t even know who the coach will be. 2 years is a long time in college basketball. Just look at Rowe’s first 2 years where 3 of his first 4 recruits are already gone from the program. You could have one of the Freshman get frustrated with playing time and transfer. If the mojo of the program continues there will be a key starter who misses Most or all of a season. Who knows.

(02-05-2018 04:02 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  We don’t even know who the coach will be.

Time to put up or shut up. I'm willing to bet $5,000 Lou Rowe will start the 18-19 season (Game 1) as the JMU MBB coach. Agree to the bet or admit that you're trolling.

No, this thread is about 2019-2020 unless I read something wrong.
For next year, it will depend on how Rowe finishes. If he loses out and finishes 6-25 this year, the buzzards will be circling.

Plus, I’m not sure I can afford $5,000. That sounds like a lot of money.

All your weird snark aside (and there's a LOT of it), you really think JMU will make a move before Rowe completes Year 4? Keep in mind, I didn't ask what "should" JMU do, I ask what you think WILL happen. I'm not $5000 confident, but I'm probably $1000 confident he makes it to Game 1 of 19-20.

So now that we got that out of the way, care to wager $1000 with zero snark?

(02-05-2018 05:54 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  All your weird snark aside (and there's a LOT of it), you really think JMU will make a move before Rowe completes Year 4? Keep in mind, I didn't ask what "should" JMU do, I ask what you think WILL happen. I'm not $5000 confident, but I'm probably $1000 confident he makes it to Game 1 of 19-20.

So now that we got that out of the way, care to wager $1000 with zero snark?

Making it to that point will totally depend on next season. It there's any improvement at all, like winning 12 games next season, then he'll have no issues getting the season started the following year.

I do not have confidence that JMU A.D. Bourne will have the guts to pull the plug if the results don’t get better. We have seen his management style play out before and that is much of the reason JMU Hoops went into a prolonged 8 year losing streak during his tenure.

You are correct that I have no faith in Bourne when it comes to the basketball program. Perhaps a new A.D. is ushered in along with the new Arena. Retirement has to be close based on his age.

Also, I can’t afford $1,000 even if I had faith in Bourne. That seems like a lot of money. maybe if I wait a few more posts You will lower it down to a 6 pack of beer to entice me to bet against the odds. Although, I would prefer to lose the bet and have JMU basketball at the top of the CAA.

P.S. I have to look up “weird Snark” to completely understand this great banter.

Another super weird post. What's up with the coffee emoji?

I think his post is intended to have sarcastic humor Hyper. I know Hart pretty well and I don’t think he is prone to being snarky.

The problem with emails and message boards is sarcasm doesn’t translate well at all. Things that would make us laugh if said in person come across wrong and piss people off.

(02-05-2018 06:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I do not have confidence that JMU A.D. Bourne will have the guts to pull the plug if the results don’t get better. We have seen his management style play out before and that is much of the reason JMU Hoops went into a prolonged 8 year losing streak during his tenure.

You are correct that I have no faith in Bourne when it comes to the basketball program. Perhaps a new A.D. is ushered in along with the new Arena. Retirement has to be close based on his age.

Also, I can’t afford $1,000 even if I had faith in Bourne. That seems like a lot of money. maybe if I wait a few more posts You will lower it down to a 6 pack of beer to entice me to bet against the odds. Although, I would prefer to lose the bet and have JMU basketball at the top of the CAA.

P.S. I have to look up “weird Snark” to completely understand this great banter.

Bourne is playing chess while other ADs play checkers and not even in the same league as Bourne. How can JMU keep it up, amazing times!

How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

The talent level that Coach Rowe has brought in is noticeably better. Lewis and Banks as Freshman are getting starters minutes and we have been "in" just about every game this year up until the finish. That is definitely an upward arc.

Rowe has shown his chinks in his armor, but he has brought in some players. If he can improve on some of the areas that he is weak and continue to recruit, I am looking forward to 2019-2020.

(02-05-2018 11:37 PM)91Alum Wrote:  How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

pretty difficult because nobody sees the return on their investment. The Football ADs surely feel like they're getting a return on their investments.

We need that type of support for basketball, but it's not there right now.

(02-06-2018 09:29 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 11:37 PM)91Alum Wrote:  How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

pretty difficult because nobody sees the return on their investment. The Football ADs surely feel like they're getting a return on their investments.

We need that type of support for basketball, but it's not there right now.

Bingo. If you had a lot of money, would you be forking over large sums of money for MBB? I sure as hell wouldn't right now.
At least with football, the team had been having success before the Alpha Dogs came in. They were just assisting in the success and taking it to the next level.
Why should a group like the Alpha Dogs be responsible for paying up when the admin won't? They are there to assist, not to be THE financial lead in the program. The school needs to take the lead in turning things around and not rely on outside sources. Once they do that, I could see a group stepping up and helping out. As of right now, I do not see that happening.
I find it so baffling that the admin can get things so right with football, but get it so wrong when it comes to MBB.

(02-06-2018 10:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 09:29 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 11:37 PM)91Alum Wrote:  How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

pretty difficult because nobody sees the return on their investment. The Football ADs surely feel like they're getting a return on their investments.

We need that type of support for basketball, but it's not there right now.

Bingo. If you had a lot of money, would you be forking over large sums of money for MBB? I sure as hell wouldn't right now.
At least with football, the team had been having success before the Alpha Dogs came in. They were just assisting in the success and taking it to the next level.
Why should a group like the Alpha Dogs be responsible for paying up when the admin won't? They are there to assist, not to be THE financial lead in the program. The school needs to take the lead in turning things around and not rely on outside sources. Once they do that, I could see a group stepping up and helping out. As of right now, I do not see that happening.
I find it so baffling that the admin can get things so right with football, but get it so wrong when it comes to MBB.

My interpretation; the admin wants to address all issues but can't at least not at the same time. JMU is firing all barrels now. The problem, there are more targets than barrels and some will be missed. This is not going to change because JMU is struggling with treating sports equally i.e. the fully funding Olympic sports argument with no clear right or wrong answers.

Some schools let football and MBB guide the ship.

(02-05-2018 11:37 PM)91Alum Wrote:  How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

You should start an Alpha Dogs for basketball. It is a good idea. Call Bourne and let him know you will be the first donor.

(02-07-2018 07:42 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 11:37 PM)91Alum Wrote:  How difficult would it be to put together an Alpha Dogs for men's hoops? If we could cobble together enough to effectively double the crummy salary we currently offer, it would open the door to a whole new level of opportunity (especially when you couple it with the new arena).

Problem is, that is a no-kidding, gotta raise it every year type of donation. You'd almost have to raise it all up front, or not guarantee the contract.

You should start an Alpha Dogs for basketball. It is a good idea. Call Bourne and let him know you will be the first donor.

Bingo, I am sure Bourne would fully support the idea. Just remember you can only commit your $$$, not the $$$ for other folks.