(01-11-2018 02:22 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, there is no reason it shouldn’t be a 16 team playoff. It has worked in all other levels of college football.

"But, the kids can't handle playing that many games. It would be too much for them. "

The amount of times I hear this is ridiculous, and then I usually bring up FCS, D2, D3, NFL, and High School football. And the stare blankly and realize how stupid it is that they really don't play that many games.

(01-09-2018 09:30 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I'm not in favor of expanding the playoffs at this time.

Every year the proponents hang their hats on something as proof we need to change.

In 2011 it was the rematch between Alabama and LSU that really got the locomotive in motion to have what we have today.

This year, it's two teams from the SEC and the success of UCF...which wasn't considered great success until after the fact when they beat Auburn.

If we had gone with 8, the same UCF scenario would have existed and we'd be hollering for 16.

I think the commissioners got it right...for now.

The champion of the basketball tourney is not questioned as the "National Champion" because it is inclusive of all conferences.

Copy that, but tweak it for the realities of football. Roughly 20% of D1 basketball schools are in the tourney and all conference champions. Football can do the same thing.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-839839.html

(01-11-2018 09:20 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The way you fix this isn't any change to the current CFP format, you fix it by winning games, conference mates winning games, and other G5 teams winning games. When the G5 wins more games against P5 then they lose, then we can have this conversation. We have to at least get to 50%. Having one team step up isn't going to get it done.

Thats dumb. They have built-in advantages from having a cartel with playoff access that it has steadily gotten harder and harder to do that.

You can't have a job because you are unemployed is so tiresome.



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(01-11-2018 09:43 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  There are about 110 million reasons the G5 Commissioners voted that way.

Closer to 85 million....but yeah.

(01-11-2018 11:29 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 02:22 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, there is no reason it shouldn’t be a 16 team playoff. It has worked in all other levels of college football.

"But, the kids can't handle playing that many games. It would be too much for them. "

The amount of times I hear this is ridiculous, and then I usually bring up FCS, D2, D3, NFL, and High School football. And the stare blankly and realize how stupid it is that they really don't play that many games.

Right. In an 8 team playoff--two teams would play one more game. Just curious--how come nobody is every concerned when we add a bowl. Isnt that 2 more teams playing one more game?

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

(01-13-2018 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 09:43 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  There are about 110 million reasons the G5 Commissioners voted that way.

Closer to 85 million....but yeah.

My mistake. Using bad info. Nice payday, but it pales in comparison to the P5's $372 million. UCF did pick up an additional $4 mil for you guys in the AAC.

From one year ago...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...yoff-idea/

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

(01-11-2018 11:29 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(01-11-2018 02:22 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, there is no reason it shouldn’t be a 16 team playoff. It has worked in all other levels of college football.

"But, the kids can't handle playing that many games. It would be too much for them. "

The amount of times I hear this is ridiculous, and then I usually bring up FCS, D2, D3, NFL, and High School football. And the stare blankly and realize how stupid it is that they really don't play that many games.

The argument of to many games has been around as long as I can remember. Even when the regular season was 11 games and a possible bowl. Then it was 11 games, a possible CCG and a bowl. Then the regular season went to 12 games, possible CCG and a bowl. Now two teams could play 15 games. As long as the money is there, they will add games. The NCAA or the CFP care anything about the "student athelets".

We g5ers need to split from the NCAA completely for all sports and have our own conference championship playoffs with wild cards, make are own rules like how many scholarships, we would crown our own national champion, tv ratings would go way up and we would out from under the espns and p5ers making decisions for us

(01-13-2018 03:01 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  We g5ers need to split from the NCAA completely for all sports and have our own conference championship playoffs with wild cards, make are own rules like how many scholarships, we would crown our own national champion, tv ratings would go way up and we would out from under the espns and p5ers making decisions for us

You do realize the G5 is based on conferences that do not have a NYE/NYD majore bowl tie-in. The majority of the Power conferences pay from the CFP comes from the NYE/NYD bowl tie-ins. I doubt the G5 conferences are going to get a 30-40 million bowl payday. In addition, the TV contract money is the other difference. G5 splitting off sounds nice but financially is insane.

It will be interesting if the AAC will be able to keep their dominance, their Big East and Exit Fee money is running out. That really has been helpful for them to be the top G5. If their TV contract falls through in 2020, it will get interesting.

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

(01-13-2018 08:01 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

Yeah, lets see how they would like playing only each other in the other sports (like midweek baseball), and losing buy games (which means losing home games), and only playing each other which means the Vandys and Kentuckys never get bowl eligible. Plus they can't take all the bowls with them. Plus (and its the big plus) they would no longer be able to make our rules for us and no longer have a say in what we do.

And the biggest? If they left then they would no longer be under the same legal umbrella and we would both be competitors in the same market and they would have to start following the rules for playing fairly in that market. No monopolistic behaviors, no restraint of trade, no and all that jazz.

It would also force us to actually compete for market share and cooperate with eacg other to do it.

I doubt they really want to go down that road.



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(01-13-2018 08:01 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

I'm not saying the G5 has power or that just having the G5 in the playoff will help TV ratings. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that there's no business sense in an expansion.

How many people in Big Ten country and the west coast were watching any of the playoff? Not nearly as many as as would be an 8-team playoff with every Power 5 conference. It's a good thing the CFP committee is insulated from financial interest without a doubt, but you can make the process fair while increasing profits.

I don’t care who is for or against expansion - it will happen in the next eight years. The G5 must position ourselves to have an autobid into one of those eight spots which is why UCF beating Auburn type games need to keep occurring.

(01-13-2018 09:32 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:01 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:33 PM)AppNation85 Wrote:  FIRE BENSON!!!

Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

Yeah, lets see how they would like playing only each other in the other sports (like midweek baseball), and losing buy games (which means losing home games), and only playing each other which means the Vandys and Kentuckys never get bowl eligible. Plus they can't take all the bowls with them. Plus (and its the big plus) they would no longer be able to make our rules for us and no longer have a say in what we do.

And the biggest? If they left then they would no longer be under the same legal umbrella and we would both be competitors in the same market and they would have to start following the rules for playing fairly in that market. No monopolistic behaviors, no restraint of trade, no and all that jazz.

It would also force us to actually compete for market share and cooperate with eacg other to do it.

I doubt they really want to go down that road.


Should the P5 formed their own governing body, they would have their own rules and league. They would play by their rules, not ours and not some combination of the two. They have the money, political power, and the media. They could kiss us off without a blink of the eye. There may be some legal hurdles but you get the picture. There would be no G5 checks and balances as there would be no voice or votes other than their own membership. The G5 could certainly have its own league and push for whatever it desires but does it have the money, viewership and media to accomplish any more than the present? The G5 AD's knows and why they supported the present CFP agreement. I'm grateful that we have our current structure. It is the reason we are all revelant in college sports.


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jus' my 2 cents . .. whether the G5 Commissioners want it/like it or not, the playoff format will expand . . . 'merica is going to get bored with the same 4 (or mostly the same 4) schools/conferences competing for the NC every year.

An expansion to 8 seems the next logical step . . . eventually interest and MONEY will demand it. The later speaking the loudest.

(01-14-2018 08:43 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:32 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:01 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:19 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  Guys, let your business brain kick in. For the first time, maybe ever, I agree with Benson and the other G5 AD's. The current funding plan is the best the G5 has ever had and it puts roughly a million dollars plus into the operating funds for each SBC school. If the G5 won approval for an extended playoff, how many of our teams would make the top eight or the top sixteen? I suspect none to maybe one from every few years. A new funding plan would be developed and overall money to the G5 would be reduced in all probability. The P5's have the hugh fan bases and TV wants their games for better viewership and advertising money. They also have the better teams. The AD's know our current arrangement is the best we will have for the next several years. Its too early to want a change in light of the hugh success of the CFP at this point. If you were the AD. would you really want to change a program that puts a million dollars into your school's pocket?

I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

Yeah, lets see how they would like playing only each other in the other sports (like midweek baseball), and losing buy games (which means losing home games), and only playing each other which means the Vandys and Kentuckys never get bowl eligible. Plus they can't take all the bowls with them. Plus (and its the big plus) they would no longer be able to make our rules for us and no longer have a say in what we do.

And the biggest? If they left then they would no longer be under the same legal umbrella and we would both be competitors in the same market and they would have to start following the rules for playing fairly in that market. No monopolistic behaviors, no restraint of trade, no and all that jazz.

It would also force us to actually compete for market share and cooperate with eacg other to do it.

I doubt they really want to go down that road.


Should the P5 formed their own governing body, they would have their own rules and league. They would play by their rules, not ours and not some combination of the two. They have the money, political power, and the media. They could kiss us off without a blink of the eye. There may be some legal hurdles but you get the picture. There would be no G5 checks and balances as there would be no voice or votes other than their own membership. The G5 could certainly have its own league and push for whatever it desires but does it have the money, viewership and media to accomplish any more than the present? The G5 AD's knows and why they supported the present CFP agreement. I'm grateful that we have our current structure. It is the reason we are all revelant in college sports.


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The reality is G5 schools are only getting a cut of the playoff cash because we are useful to them. As long as they don't listen to Saban and fill all their OOC slots with P5's we're in good shape.

(01-14-2018 11:16 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 08:43 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 09:32 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 08:01 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 10:28 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I disagree entirely.

If you moved the playoff to 8 teams the viewership of the playoff would only increase which would increase the value of media rights which in turn would trickle down to the G5. If you can have a CFP playoff with only 3 of the 5 power conferences represented and an all-SEC final and make the kind of money it does just think of how much it would make if all of them were represented with multiple teams. The amount of money the CFP would make would only go up.

Just look at all the money March Madness brings in with basketball not being as popular as football and with so many games being on weekdays while people are at work.

At some point, one has to remember that the G5 has no power because it has no large fan base, no large viewership, no tv, no national sponsors, and no money. Money is power and we don't have it. The CFP makes hugh money because those teams play great football and generate tremendous viewer interest. TV will pay to showcase them. The G5 group plays good football. The top of the P5's plays great football. Lets don't pretend that we're equal in ability. In many ways we are lucky to have the CFP arrangement. We need the P5's, they don't need us. They could form a new league structure tomorrow and continue on their way with little or no need for us (we provide scheduling and wins, thats our contribution). In time, circumstances may change but it will take years and a lot of great management from the G5 to make it remotely possible.

Yeah, lets see how they would like playing only each other in the other sports (like midweek baseball), and losing buy games (which means losing home games), and only playing each other which means the Vandys and Kentuckys never get bowl eligible. Plus they can't take all the bowls with them. Plus (and its the big plus) they would no longer be able to make our rules for us and no longer have a say in what we do.

And the biggest? If they left then they would no longer be under the same legal umbrella and we would both be competitors in the same market and they would have to start following the rules for playing fairly in that market. No monopolistic behaviors, no restraint of trade, no and all that jazz.

It would also force us to actually compete for market share and cooperate with eacg other to do it.

I doubt they really want to go down that road.


Should the P5 formed their own governing body, they would have their own rules and league. They would play by their rules, not ours and not some combination of the two. They have the money, political power, and the media. They could kiss us off without a blink of the eye. There may be some legal hurdles but you get the picture. There would be no G5 checks and balances as there would be no voice or votes other than their own membership. The G5 could certainly have its own league and push for whatever it desires but does it have the money, viewership and media to accomplish any more than the present? The G5 AD's knows and why they supported the present CFP agreement. I'm grateful that we have our current structure. It is the reason we are all revelant in college sports.


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The reality is G5 schools are only getting a cut of the playoff cash because we are useful to them. As long as they don't listen to Saban and fill all their OOC slots with P5's we're in good shape.

We are Remora. We do exactly what they want for how much they want and many of us like it...and fight amongst ourselves while thanking them.

I have no idea why they would want to break away from that level of control.

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