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(01-09-2018 03:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

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Here is a rendering of what Cincinnati and UConn Basketball would look like in the Big East:

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I don't see us going back to the old logo.
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lol UConn has nowhere to go...let em write all the articles they want, but like Huey Lewis said: I’m happy to be stuck with you
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(01-09-2018 11:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 11:12 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 11:04 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  I hope most knowledgeable UConn faithful aren't of the same opinion that this columnist represents, blaming the league they are in for the decline of their on the field performance.

This dude obviously got done watching the championship game last night , thinks UCF got screwed and applied that the UConn's current situation ..saying hey we got screwed too!

Although this isnt the first time we've heard UConn keeping one eye on the Big East as a way out.

I've never even heard of The Day before today. Apparently it's a Southeastern CT newspaper. The columnist didn't even mention the need to fire Ollie, only that he needs an "offensive coordinator." That says it all. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

In addition, UConn would take a huge hit financially with exiting. They would have to pay the following:

$10M exit fee
$$$ Entrance Fee into New Conference
Lose Revenue from College Football Playoff (assuming you can't go MAC)
Lose Revenue shared from bowl revenues (assuming you can't go MAC)

I realize the Big East money is set to expire on UConn (and UC and USF for that matter); but right now UConn is making ~$10M from the AAC media deal and from the money left over from the BE.

Now-- once the current media deal expires and if the Fanhoods of the world are right and the AAC gets peanuts, then it might be time to explore other options. Frankly, if the conference gets the money the haters predict UConn won't be the only team looking for other options.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

A spread out league like this makes little sense if we end up with CUSA money. I dont think thats going to be the case--but in that scenario, the league simply makes no sense.

But if you move forward with the scenario--there really isnt an easy fix. If the big AAC footprint doesn't make sense in a no G5 TV money era---how in the hell does leaving the AAC to join CUSA, the MW, or the Sunbelt help? The only answer would be a cooperative regional reorganization of the 3 eastern G5's that overlap. That would be a major endeavor with all sorts of petty regional issue to overcome.
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(01-09-2018 11:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  A new TV deal in the $8M/year range per school will put this kind of talk to rest.

In 5 years, the American has had a Top 25 football team every year. Average two per year. Had three Top 10 teams.

Need to start making noise again in the NCAA tournament, and we'll be negotiating from a much stronger position this time around.

We should get a bumper crop of entries this year (probably 4 or 5). We need to win some tournament games this year.
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(01-09-2018 03:40 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:38 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

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As Wink Martindale used to say on the legendary game show Tic-Tac-Dough, "X with the Block". There's no Xavier would allow that to happen. They would lose out any recruiting advantage they have gained over us as well as perceived status in a better conference.


yup...thats why I said “if”

IF...

UC isn't going to get rid of football or downgrade. UConn might-- but no way would UC ever do that. There's just too much history and investment in the facilities.

There's only two ways it could possibly work a) joining the MAC as a FB only to keep the CFP playoff revenue, bowl ties and filling out a schedule or b) all the Indys creating an alliance for FB scheduling, sharing of some administrative costs, bowl tie-ins, figuring out a way to get a share of the CFP revenue and even getting a TV deal of their own. All nearly impossible tasks to achieve for a variety of reasons.
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(01-09-2018 03:52 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:40 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 03:38 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

Thoughts?

As Wink Martindale used to say on the legendary game show Tic-Tac-Dough, "X with the Block". There's no Xavier would allow that to happen. They would lose out any recruiting advantage they have gained over us as well as perceived status in a better conference.


yup...thats why I said “if”

IF...

UC isn't going to get rid of football or downgrade. UConn might-- but no way would UC ever do that. There's just too much history and investment in the facilities.

There's only two ways it could possibly work a) joining the MAC as a FB only to keep the CFP playoff revenue, bowl ties and filling out a schedule or b) all the Indys creating an alliance for FB scheduling, sharing of some administrative costs, bowl tie-ins, figuring out a way to get a share of the CFP revenue and even getting a TV deal of their own. All nearly impossible tasks to achieve for a variety of reasons.

id rather have the Indy alliance than the MAAC

UC
Uconn
BYU
Army
Umass
maybe another AAC team or two goes this route
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(01-09-2018 01:58 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 01:34 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Playing is lower profile leagues doesn't seem to bother Butler, Gonzaga or until this year Wichita State.

You just named two schools that jumped ship on their conferences when they got the chance (Butler twice!) and another school that's openly trying to get out of their current conference but are constrained by geography. You're making the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make.
They jumped ship after beating up on and being nationally relevant in those leagues. They didn't say "this league is making us suck," they said "we are awesome and we want to play better teams so we don't get 10 seeds."

Completely different scenarios.
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(01-09-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://www.theday.com/sports-columns/20...onn-in-aac


How much more of this are we going to take?

How much more time is UConn going to spend in the American Athletic Conference before realizing that, even with well-meaning people and successful teams, the American’s wheels spin furiously but with no traction?

How long till we have earnest conversations with each other questioning the long term viability of football and whether there’s a legitimate chance of rejoining the Big East to save basketball?

They played for the national championship in college football Monday night. Georgia vs. Alabama, two teams that lost to Auburn. Except that War … Damn … Eagle (Auburn) lost to Central Florida in the Peach Bowl last week. That’s undefeated UCF of the American. That didn’t get a sniff of the playoffs.

So when, exactly, do you think the American will get a seat at the table if an undefeated team that beat the team that beat The Teams is still an afterthought?

We can lament the unfairness of it all and unburden ourselves with rhetoric till we hyperventilate. All moot. Because why would the Power Five want to share anything with anybody else? They seem to be doing just fine, no?

Heck, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby all but mocked UCF the other day when he was quoted as saying beating Auburn once isn’t the same as preparing to play the likes of Auburn every week. And there it is. Poof. The American’s undefeated team? Dismissed like a caller to Mike Francesa.

So is there anyone out there who can provide some evidence this is going to change?

Meanwhile, UConn sports, through bad leadership and some external circumstances, are suffering. Clearly, UConn poohbahs have made bad decisions. Bob Diaco was a disaster. Kevin Ollie needs an offensive coordinator. We get that. And the AAC is making it worse.

No one’s saying the AAC isn’t respectable in football and men’s basketball. Two things, though: The Power Five doesn’t care and doesn’t need to; and quality competition doesn’t move the needle in Connecticut as much as sex appeal.

The AAC has some good basketball teams in Wichita State, Cincinnati and SMU. But when you grow up on The Big East — whose geography and rivalries resonate with fans from Stamford to Stonington — it’s hard to get even the most ardent UConn fans excited about Tulane and East Carolina.

That’s kind of the deal. AAC people get irritated at the criticism. It’s no reflection on them or their teams. It’s just that nobody in Connecticut has any frame of reference whatsoever to what the league’s selling. Come see the Huskies play … Tulsa?

Look at it this way: The three biggest names in New England college basketball — UConn, Providence and Boston College — played home games this past Saturday afternoon. When’s the last time UConn played the least desirable game to watch? Providence played nationally ranked Xavier and BC played Wake Forest. Meanwhile, UConn played East Carolina before more than 8,000 empty seats at the XL Center.

There is no joy in these words. The AAC has some nice people. The mere suggestion that UConn drop football is disrespectful to Randy Edsall, a good man for whom my son would play any day. And I have no idea about exit fees, bad blood or whether the Big East would take UConn back in the first place.

This much I do know, however: I’ve talked to a few donors in recent weeks who can’t take much more of this. They see the same thing as I do, the power structure failing to take the AAC seriously. UConn’s bad hires affecting the current product. And the need to begin some uncomfortable conversations.

This author thinks and undefeated Uconn from the big east gets in over Bama and Saban.

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(01-09-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  https://www.theday.com/sports-columns/20...onn-in-aac


How much more of this are we going to take?

How much more time is UConn going to spend in the American Athletic Conference before realizing that, even with well-meaning people and successful teams, the American’s wheels spin furiously but with no traction?

How long till we have earnest conversations with each other questioning the long term viability of football and whether there’s a legitimate chance of rejoining the Big East to save basketball?

They played for the national championship in college football Monday night. Georgia vs. Alabama, two teams that lost to Auburn. Except that War … Damn … Eagle (Auburn) lost to Central Florida in the Peach Bowl last week. That’s undefeated UCF of the American. That didn’t get a sniff of the playoffs.

So when, exactly, do you think the American will get a seat at the table if an undefeated team that beat the team that beat The Teams is still an afterthought?

We can lament the unfairness of it all and unburden ourselves with rhetoric till we hyperventilate. All moot. Because why would the Power Five want to share anything with anybody else? They seem to be doing just fine, no?

Heck, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby all but mocked UCF the other day when he was quoted as saying beating Auburn once isn’t the same as preparing to play the likes of Auburn every week. And there it is. Poof. The American’s undefeated team? Dismissed like a caller to Mike Francesa.

So is there anyone out there who can provide some evidence this is going to change?

Meanwhile, UConn sports, through bad leadership and some external circumstances, are suffering. Clearly, UConn poohbahs have made bad decisions. Bob Diaco was a disaster. Kevin Ollie needs an offensive coordinator. We get that. And the AAC is making it worse.

No one’s saying the AAC isn’t respectable in football and men’s basketball. Two things, though: The Power Five doesn’t care and doesn’t need to; and quality competition doesn’t move the needle in Connecticut as much as sex appeal.

The AAC has some good basketball teams in Wichita State, Cincinnati and SMU. But when you grow up on The Big East — whose geography and rivalries resonate with fans from Stamford to Stonington — it’s hard to get even the most ardent UConn fans excited about Tulane and East Carolina.

That’s kind of the deal. AAC people get irritated at the criticism. It’s no reflection on them or their teams. It’s just that nobody in Connecticut has any frame of reference whatsoever to what the league’s selling. Come see the Huskies play … Tulsa?

Look at it this way: The three biggest names in New England college basketball — UConn, Providence and Boston College — played home games this past Saturday afternoon. When’s the last time UConn played the least desirable game to watch? Providence played nationally ranked Xavier and BC played Wake Forest. Meanwhile, UConn played East Carolina before more than 8,000 empty seats at the XL Center.

There is no joy in these words. The AAC has some nice people. The mere suggestion that UConn drop football is disrespectful to Randy Edsall, a good man for whom my son would play any day. And I have no idea about exit fees, bad blood or whether the Big East would take UConn back in the first place.

This much I do know, however: I’ve talked to a few donors in recent weeks who can’t take much more of this. They see the same thing as I do, the power structure failing to take the AAC seriously. UConn’s bad hires affecting the current product. And the need to begin some uncomfortable conversations.

This author thinks and undefeated Uconn from the big east gets in over Bama and Saban.

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(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

Thoughts?

My argument is that if the AAC makes more than the BE as you present, why would you leave to join them? Even if FB in the AAC did become irrelevant for the national title, you are still significantly better off.

I have no desire to join the BE. They have a good bball league. I like having football to root for and the AAC may be hurting UC slightly due to seeding, but that's not enough of a reason to forfeit millions of dollars if we get a decent rights deal.
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(01-09-2018 04:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

Thoughts?

My argument is that if the AAC makes more than the BE as you present, why would you leave to join them? Even if FB in the AAC did become irrelevant for the national title, you are still significantly better off.

I have no desire to join the BE. They have a good bball league. I like having football to root for and the AAC may be hurting UC slightly due to seeding, but that's not enough of a reason to forfeit millions of dollars if we get a decent rights deal.

Fair point


I think the extra money for now is fools gold...
But what happens if/when G5 votes to have their own playoff (this is where the powers that be want to engineer things) and our fb is basically the new ‘FCS’.

Id rather have the eggs in a perceived bball conf at that point since fb will be ‘dead’
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(01-09-2018 04:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

Thoughts?

My argument is that if the AAC makes more than the BE as you present, why would you leave to join them? Even if FB in the AAC did become irrelevant for the national title, you are still significantly better off.

I have no desire to join the BE. They have a good bball league. I like having football to root for and the AAC may be hurting UC slightly due to seeding, but that's not enough of a reason to forfeit millions of dollars if we get a decent rights deal.

Fair point

But what happens if/when G5 votes to have their own playoff (this is where the powers that be want to engineer things) and our fb is basically the new ‘FCS’.

Id rather have the eggs in a perceived bball conf at that point since fb will be ‘dead’

As always, it comes down to $$$. If we can make more by going elsewhere, then I am all for it. This next rights deal is critical to the future of this league. If we get the same, less, or hardly anything more, it's going to be increasingly difficult to justify keeping this league together, even though it's turning out pretty good.
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(01-09-2018 04:23 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Good article and I agree.

I like the AAC ok but really, unless we get a call up (unlikely) or Arsesco pulls some rabbit out of his hat (more unlikely), football will die a slow death for us all...some slower than others but slow death nonetheless. UCF was good and undefeated and didnt SNIFF the playoff. It wont get better. Look at the preseason poll for next year already- G5’s start over...P5’s dont.The playoff isnt for the G5 and never will be, lets be honest. And citing what some programs have done in the past as a basis for hope is pointless (UC in the Big East, Memphis, ECU in indy southern glory days, UH in the SWC etc)...its a new dawn. its not 1975 or 1985 or even 2009 anymore.

All that is to say, I would be all for jumping to the Big East in hoops and making fb indy if I were Uconn. You can counter that it will kill fb but Ive already said, our fb is all going to die a slow death barring a miracle anyway. $2mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap. Even $10mil/yr vs $30mil/yr is too big a gap- take that out over 15 years. Heck if UC could get into the Big East, Id be all for joining Uconn.

Thoughts?

My argument is that if the AAC makes more than the BE as you present, why would you leave to join them? Even if FB in the AAC did become irrelevant for the national title, you are still significantly better off.

I have no desire to join the BE. They have a good bball league. I like having football to root for and the AAC may be hurting UC slightly due to seeding, but that's not enough of a reason to forfeit millions of dollars if we get a decent rights deal.

Fair point

But what happens if/when G5 votes to have their own playoff (this is where the powers that be want to engineer things) and our fb is basically the new ‘FCS’.

Id rather have the eggs in a perceived bball conf at that point since fb will be ‘dead’

As always, it comes down to $$$. If we can make more by going elsewhere, then I am all for it. This next rights deal is critical to the future of this league. If we get the same, less, or hardly anything more, it's going to be increasingly difficult to justify keeping this league together, even though it's turning out pretty good.

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If UConn in it heart of hearts believes that it will end up in a P5 conference, then it HAS to stay in the AAC. There's no other viable choice.

The question is really about if/when UConn can ever give up that dream. To be sure, it's honestly a question that faces every G5 school that needs to make a choice about where to spend its resources, but it's most pronounced for UConn because it's one of the few schools on paper that the Big East could plausibly invite and it would actually be an upgrade in terms of TV money compared to being in a G5 conference (and that's without taking into account football).

I do think a lot of observers severely underestimate how little the Big East schools want to deal with the drama of P5 realignment again. The biggest reason why the C7 split off from the now-AAC was the instability that occurred every single time that one of the other power conferences started looking around. UConn in the Big East would certainly make that league more valuable, but the league also makes enough money with basketball alone that it doesn't want anything to do with football-related realignment issues ever again and it has complete 100% control over its membership as of today.

Separately, I don't think the on-the-court basketball issues of UConn have anything to do with the AAC. A school can still perform well and reach an elite level in basketball regardless of conference - it might be difficult, but it's not like football where P5 membership really does mean everything. I do think *off-the-court* issues are exacerbated for UConn. Even the very best programs go through lean years and times, but when you still have familiar rivalries and opponents, there's a base level of fan interest that can carry you through such times until you get back on an upswing. It doesn't matter how good a team like Wichita State might be in the AAC - a game against them will simply never have the same resonance as it does when playing against Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown, etc.

So, I think the pure on-the-court state of UConn men's basketball is largely within their control, but the conference situation exacerbates off-the-court issues when they're in a down period (like now). Football is an entirely different matter - every G5 school needs to be either P5 or bust (as there will never be a "P6" - anyone valuable enough to hypothetically make a P6 possible will be consumed by the Big 12 or one of the other P5 leagues long before that occurs).
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RE: Column : How much longer does UConn have to suffer in the AAC?
How can the AAC be too 'spread out' of a league, yet folks want us to expand west? And not just football only, folks have advocated allsports with air force and/or CSU? Even perhaps BYU?

How can the $$$ gap be too much and FB will die... yet UCF and Houston won NY bowls on the paltry AAC dollars?

I guess I'm an optimist... but I think our conference is poised to take a step forward, get 'decent' dollars, and well separate from the G4. The UCF perfect storm this year will help us get closer to playoff recognition. Win win win and we won't be denied forever... and with all their money they still cant dominate us on the field.

When we score next contract, UConn would be foolish to leave... Football drives the bus.
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(01-09-2018 04:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If UConn in it heart of hearts believes that it will end up in a P5 conference, then it HAS to stay in the AAC. There's no other viable choice.

The question is really about if/when UConn can ever give up that dream. To be sure, it's honestly a question that faces every G5 school that needs to make a choice about where to spend its resources, but it's most pronounced for UConn because it's one of the few schools on paper that the Big East could plausibly invite and it would actually be an upgrade in terms of TV money compared to being in a G5 conference (and that's without taking into account football).

I do think a lot of observers severely underestimate how little the Big East schools want to deal with the drama of P5 realignment again. The biggest reason why the C7 split off from the now-AAC was the instability that occurred every single time that one of the other power conferences started looking around. UConn in the Big East would certainly make that league more valuable, but the league also makes enough money with basketball alone that it doesn't want anything to do with football-related realignment issues ever again and it has complete 100% control over its membership as of today.

Separately, I don't think the on-the-court basketball issues of UConn have anything to do with the AAC. A school can still perform well and reach an elite level in basketball regardless of conference - it might be difficult, but it's not like football where P5 membership really does mean everything. I do think *off-the-court* issues are exacerbated for UConn. Even the very best programs go through lean years and times, but when you still have familiar rivalries and opponents, there's a base level of fan interest that can carry you through such times until you get back on an upswing. It doesn't matter how good a team like Wichita State might be in the AAC - a game against them will simply never have the same resonance as it does when playing against Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown, etc.

So, I think the pure on-the-court state of UConn men's basketball is largely within their control, but the conference situation exacerbates off-the-court issues when they're in a down period (like now). Football is an entirely different matter - every G5 school needs to be either P5 or bust (as there will never be a "P6" - anyone valuable enough to hypothetically make a P6 possible will be consumed by the Big 12 or one of the other P5 leagues long before that occurs).

The better question is how much longer does the AAC have to suffer Uconn
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The AAC is better with UConn than without UConn.
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(01-09-2018 04:50 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 04:30 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If UConn in it heart of hearts believes that it will end up in a P5 conference, then it HAS to stay in the AAC. There's no other viable choice.

The question is really about if/when UConn can ever give up that dream. To be sure, it's honestly a question that faces every G5 school that needs to make a choice about where to spend its resources, but it's most pronounced for UConn because it's one of the few schools on paper that the Big East could plausibly invite and it would actually be an upgrade in terms of TV money compared to being in a G5 conference (and that's without taking into account football).

I do think a lot of observers severely underestimate how little the Big East schools want to deal with the drama of P5 realignment again. The biggest reason why the C7 split off from the now-AAC was the instability that occurred every single time that one of the other power conferences started looking around. UConn in the Big East would certainly make that league more valuable, but the league also makes enough money with basketball alone that it doesn't want anything to do with football-related realignment issues ever again and it has complete 100% control over its membership as of today.

Separately, I don't think the on-the-court basketball issues of UConn have anything to do with the AAC. A school can still perform well and reach an elite level in basketball regardless of conference - it might be difficult, but it's not like football where P5 membership really does mean everything. I do think *off-the-court* issues are exacerbated for UConn. Even the very best programs go through lean years and times, but when you still have familiar rivalries and opponents, there's a base level of fan interest that can carry you through such times until you get back on an upswing. It doesn't matter how good a team like Wichita State might be in the AAC - a game against them will simply never have the same resonance as it does when playing against Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown, etc.

So, I think the pure on-the-court state of UConn men's basketball is largely within their control, but the conference situation exacerbates off-the-court issues when they're in a down period (like now). Football is an entirely different matter - every G5 school needs to be either P5 or bust (as there will never be a "P6" - anyone valuable enough to hypothetically make a P6 possible will be consumed by the Big 12 or one of the other P5 leagues long before that occurs).

The better question is how much longer does the AAC have to suffer Uconn

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(01-09-2018 03:56 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  They jumped ship after beating up on and being nationally relevant in those leagues. They didn't say "this league is making us suck," they said "we are awesome and we want to play better teams so we don't get 10 seeds."

Completely different scenarios.

The only thing different about the scenarios is that Wichita had to have that success first in order to develop a viable option other than the Valley. UConn happens to have an option anyway.

Again, if someone thinks the AAC is a better overall option for UConn because of football, then fine. I don't necessarily agree, but it's definitely a defensible position. However, all that matters is whether UConn thinks conference X or Y is a better home for athletics if an invite is on the table.

Suggesting that any school that receives an offer to join a conference that they believe to be a better fit should reject that offer on the basis of "Well, we haven't exactly been gangbusters in our current conference, so we probably don't deserve it right now, but thanks" is pants-on-head silly.
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(01-09-2018 04:48 PM)Bull Wrote:  How can the AAC be too 'spread out' of a league, yet folks want us to expand west? And not just football only, folks have advocated allsports with air force and/or CSU? Even perhaps BYU?

How can the $$$ gap be too much and FB will die... yet UCF and Houston won NY bowls on the paltry AAC dollars?

I guess I'm an optimist... but I think our conference is poised to take a step forward, get 'decent' dollars, and well separate from the G4. The UCF perfect storm this year will help us get closer to playoff recognition. Win win win and we won't be denied forever... and with all their money they still cant dominate us on the field.

When we score next contract, UConn would be foolish to leave... Football drives the bus.

I hate to say it, but only P5 football drives the bus. As UCF just learned, the rest of us are at the back of the bus and just along for the ride for as long as the P5 lets us eat crumbs. G5 football will continue to make peanuts. I wouldn't bet on a big TV contract. The system is against us and will continue to try and keep us down (and they will do it by keeping us all cash poor).
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