I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

Thanks for the link. Interesting read. Diverse crowd for a political rally.

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

(09-10-2018 10:54 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

Yep, this is the correct answer, seems like it will remain unproven one way or the other without further information. Another item that remains unproven is whether these two politicians will actually debate each other or if they're both all talk, as is typical.

(09-10-2018 11:25 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:54 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

Yep, this is the correct answer, seems like it will remain unproven one way or the other without further information. Another item that remains unproven is whether these two politicians will actually debate each other or if they're both all talk, as is typical.

Well, we kind of know which one has been dodging out, dont we?

(09-10-2018 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 11:25 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:54 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally

Quote:“I do not normally attend rental events, but I attended Saturday to make sure things ran smoothly,” said Dry, who noted there were only two requests he could not allow at the VFW Post. “They wanted to open the doors (to the Flight Deck Lounge) and I couldn’t allow that and they wanted to take the flags down, I didn’t only say no, I said hell no, you don’t take the flags off the wall. I can’t believe any American would ask us to do that and I don’t know why he wanted them down or what he was going to put up instead.”

I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

Yep, this is the correct answer, seems like it will remain unproven one way or the other without further information. Another item that remains unproven is whether these two politicians will actually debate each other or if they're both all talk, as is typical.

Well, we kind of know which one has been dodging out, dont we?

Yep - O'Rourke needs to understand that if he wants centrists/moderate rights to vote for him, he should make every effort to debate Cruz, even if that means acquiescing to the incumbent's "non-negotiable" schedule. O'Rourke is missing opportunities to further differentiate himself from Cruz as someone who is actually willing to do whatever it takes for the people of Texas.

(09-10-2018 01:05 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 11:25 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:54 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 07:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess there was no place for Robert to kneel.

The Story on Robert and Renting the VFW Post for a Rally


I think next time he should rent a fing Bandidos meeting hall and ask the members to take *their* colors off. Makes about as much sense as asking a VFW Hall to take down their US flags.

Robert's campaign is furiously denying the story. Which do you believe, a VFW Post Commander or a career politician?

The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

Yep, this is the correct answer, seems like it will remain unproven one way or the other without further information. Another item that remains unproven is whether these two politicians will actually debate each other or if they're both all talk, as is typical.

Well, we kind of know which one has been dodging out, dont we?

Yep - O'Rourke needs to understand that if he wants centrists/moderate rights to vote for him, he should make every effort to debate Cruz, even if that means acquiescing to the incumbent's "non-negotiable" schedule. O'Rourke is missing opportunities to further differentiate himself from Cruz as someone who is actually willing to do whatever it takes for the people of Texas.

In Robert's defense, I dont know which is the worse outcome: debating a national champion debater, 9 appearances before the Supreme Court, countless before Federal appellate courts, Solicitor General of Texas.... Seriously his CV for debates is really only equaled or matched by Ted Olson.

If the pinnacle of public debates I had was for Congressman from West Texas sponsored by KVIA-TV, I would probably run like a scalded cat myself from debating.

Not a 'demeaning' of Robert, just pointing out that I dont disagree with his bolting from them. Kind of a Sam Houston-like 'retreat like hell to try and get to the US Federal forces and still look brave' thingy.

(09-10-2018 01:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:05 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 11:25 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:54 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  The VFW commander says someone asked for the flags to be taken down, but in a later interview he said that he didn't know if they were campaign people are not. Given how ludicrous it would be a for a campaign staff to make that request (and O'Rourke's campaign does not seem to be run by idiots), I'm inclined to believe that the request is more likely to have come from misguided attendees than from campaign staff. I guess we won't really know.

But whether staff, volunteer, attendee, onlooker or other, it's bizarre that anyone would think that a United States flag does not belong at a rally for United States office.

Yep, this is the correct answer, seems like it will remain unproven one way or the other without further information. Another item that remains unproven is whether these two politicians will actually debate each other or if they're both all talk, as is typical.

Well, we kind of know which one has been dodging out, dont we?

Yep - O'Rourke needs to understand that if he wants centrists/moderate rights to vote for him, he should make every effort to debate Cruz, even if that means acquiescing to the incumbent's "non-negotiable" schedule. O'Rourke is missing opportunities to further differentiate himself from Cruz as someone who is actually willing to do whatever it takes for the people of Texas.

In Robert's defense, I dont know which is the worse outcome: debating a national champion debater, 9 appearances before the Supreme Court, countless before Federal appellate courts, Solicitor General of Texas.... Seriously his CV for debates is really only equaled or matched by Ted Olson.

If the pinnacle of public debates I had was for Congressman from West Texas sponsored by KVIA-TV, I would probably run like a scalded cat myself from debating.

Not a 'demeaning' of Robert, just pointing out that I dont disagree with his bolting from them. Kind of a Sam Houston-like 'retreat like hell to try and get to the US Federal forces and still look brave' thingy.

Agree - and for Cruz, the risk/issue is that televised debates give O'Rourke more buzz/notoriety amongst the "I don't get my news from Facebook/social media" demographic, which is larger than many realize. O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Indeed. Obama's principal election premise in 2008 was that he was not the incumbent (who wasn't even running, but whatever).

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Agreed! His commercial talks about where he’s been in TX, but nothing about his positions.

Reminds me of a classmate at Rice who voted for Jimmy Carter. When asked why, her response was “He has charisma.”

(09-10-2018 02:47 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Agreed! His commercial talks about where he’s been in TX, but nothing about his positions.

Reminds me of a classmate at Rice who voted for Jimmy Carter. When asked why, her response was “He has charisma.”

By the way, I made my Cruz donation. I had been absolutely bombarded by phone calls from O-Rourkians, so about three months ago I responded to a 'neighbor' that called that I typically dont donate to Senate races, but if I get another single solitary text/neighbor call wanting to discuss Beto and his (non) stances, I would go out of my way to donate to Cruz.

Worked for about three months. This weekend I got two texts and a call. So I pulled the trigger. Donated a hundred clams. Then I texted the person (same number on all three) with a photo of the donation page (redacted somewhat) and stated that every time I got another phone call/text from Beto's side I would at least match the donation. CC'ed the text and photo to the local Beto office.

This morning I called up the Beto office and talked my way into the phone of the local manager. After some little chit chat (I cold tell I was getting under his skin), I told him the story, and then said that at that point I had wasted about the same amount of his time that his candidate had wasted of mine over the weekend. And that I would continue to not just at least match my donation, but would continue to reciprocate in calling his office and wasting his staff's time for each and every phone call/text I get.

He told me to eff off. I'm still laughing. Funny, in their mind it is perfectly okay to waste my time, but how *dare* I waste theirs.

Alinksy rocks!!!

(09-10-2018 03:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 02:47 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Agreed! His commercial talks about where he’s been in TX, but nothing about his positions.

Reminds me of a classmate at Rice who voted for Jimmy Carter. When asked why, her response was “He has charisma.”

By the way, I made my Cruz donation. I had been absolutely bombarded by phone calls from O-Rourkians, so about three months ago I responded to a 'neighbor' that called that I typically dont donate to Senate races, but if I get another single solitary text/neighbor call wanting to discuss Beto and his (non) stances, I would go out of my way to donate to Cruz.

Worked for about three months. This weekend I got two texts and a call. So I pulled the trigger. Donated a hundred clams. Then I texted the person (same number on all three) with a photo of the donation page (redacted somewhat) and stated that every time I got another phone call/text from Beto's side I would at least match the donation. CC'ed the text and photo to the local Beto office.

This morning I called up the Beto office and talked my way into the phone of the local manager. After some little chit chat (I cold tell I was getting under his skin), I told him the story, and then said that at that point I had wasted about the same amount of his time that his candidate had wasted of mine over the weekend. And that I would continue to not just at least match my donation, but would continue to reciprocate in calling his office and wasting his staff's time for each and every phone call/text I get.

He told me to eff off. I'm still laughing. Funny, in their mind it is perfectly okay to waste my time, but how *dare* I waste theirs.

Alinksy rocks!!!

How did they get your phone number? What a bizarre situation for them

(09-10-2018 03:34 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 03:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 02:47 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Agreed! His commercial talks about where he’s been in TX, but nothing about his positions.

Reminds me of a classmate at Rice who voted for Jimmy Carter. When asked why, her response was “He has charisma.”

By the way, I made my Cruz donation. I had been absolutely bombarded by phone calls from O-Rourkians, so about three months ago I responded to a 'neighbor' that called that I typically dont donate to Senate races, but if I get another single solitary text/neighbor call wanting to discuss Beto and his (non) stances, I would go out of my way to donate to Cruz.

Worked for about three months. This weekend I got two texts and a call. So I pulled the trigger. Donated a hundred clams. Then I texted the person (same number on all three) with a photo of the donation page (redacted somewhat) and stated that every time I got another phone call/text from Beto's side I would at least match the donation. CC'ed the text and photo to the local Beto office.

This morning I called up the Beto office and talked my way into the phone of the local manager. After some little chit chat (I cold tell I was getting under his skin), I told him the story, and then said that at that point I had wasted about the same amount of his time that his candidate had wasted of mine over the weekend. And that I would continue to not just at least match my donation, but would continue to reciprocate in calling his office and wasting his staff's time for each and every phone call/text I get.

He told me to eff off. I'm still laughing. Funny, in their mind it is perfectly okay to waste my time, but how *dare* I waste theirs.

Alinksy rocks!!!

How did they get your phone number? What a bizarre situation for them

Not really, I am sure they got it off a neighborhood list of some sort; it's not like my wife and I are hermits and cloister in our house.

In Austin, the ORourke forces are very adept about obtaining and using local resources, even down to the utilizing information from neighborhood (non-political) volunteer groups. And they tend to, when one puts a Robert sign out front, to make sure and ask every that gets one for neighbor information.

I dont mind a phone call. A solitary phone call.

Problem is I've logged about 9 from the Robert people now. To be honest I would be just as pissed if I had gotten 9 from the Cruz camp at this point.

When I was in San Jose a local pol named Cindy Chavez pulled this incessant calling stunt as well. I developed my response back then. Based on Robert's Austin office's tone, it seems to get the message across.

I was getting a bunch of texts from the O'Rourke folks. I responded to one, asking who I planned to vote for, and said Neal Dikeman. Haven't heard any more from them.

(09-10-2018 02:47 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

Agreed! His commercial talks about where he’s been in TX, but nothing about his positions.

Reminds me of a classmate at Rice who voted for Jimmy Carter. When asked why, her response was “He has charisma.”

That is what most people remember Kennedy for: not his tax cuts, hawkish defense policy, staunch opposition to Soviet expansion -- you know, the staples of modern Democratic politics. No, they remember that he had "vigah".

(09-10-2018 04:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I was getting a bunch of texts from the O'Rourke folks. I responded to one, asking who I planned to vote for, and said Neal Dikeman. Haven't heard any more from them.

Word of advice: don't give the O'Rourke folks any clue that the number is 'live'. Just saying. I've come to the conclusion that allowing the O'Rourke folks know a number is 'live' is like placing a line of sugar water from the nearest wasp nest to your house and up into your attic.

(09-10-2018 06:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 04:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I was getting a bunch of texts from the O'Rourke folks. I responded to one, asking who I planned to vote for, and said Neal Dikeman. Haven't heard any more from them.

Word of advice: don't give the O'Rourke folks any clue that the number is 'live'. Just saying. I've come to the conclusion that allowing the O'Rourke folks know a number is 'live' is like placing a line of sugar water from the nearest wasp nest to your house and up into your attic.

Fascinating how all of y'all who seem to have no particular interest in the Democratic side of things keep getting contacted, and a millennial who's clerked Democratic primaries before (points to self) hasn't heard boo from them.

To be fair, I also generally don't answer phone calls unless they're from phone numbers I recognize, unless I'm expecting a call. So it's possible they've been trying and just haven't left a message.

I also do not amswer calls unless I kmow the caller. Using that method, I have not heard from anybody on either side.

(09-10-2018 01:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:25 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  O'Rourke's biggest problem now is that many Texans still don't have a good grasp of what he's about, albeit that number is shrinking weekly.

Umm, I think that's more likely his biggest positive. When Texans find out what he is really about, I don't think nearly as many will support him.

I seem to recall this similar "Buzz" about Wendy Davis when she ran against Abbott. "High Poll Numbers" "Well Funded" "Bi-Partisan" "The Real Deal" etc. And when it came down to the issues Abbott won in an a landslide.