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"In 2014, the court sided with Worthy, ruling that actual innocence was not a valid reason to withdraw a guilty plea."

I quit reading right there.

The rest of the article can't possible be worth a ****.

There is a concerted effort in this country to destroy the system by claiming that it is immoral. It's disgusting and driven by ignorance.
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01-14-2018 02:07 AM
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RE: The Innocence Deniers
(01-14-2018 02:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "In 2014, the court sided with Worthy, ruling that actual innocence was not a valid reason to withdraw a guilty plea."

I quit reading right there.

The rest of the article can't possible be worth a ****.

There is a concerted effort in this country to destroy the system by claiming that it is immoral. It's disgusting and driven by ignorance.

Agree. Simply chilling. There was an HBO series called "The Night Of". Its a good show and it effectively revealed a side of TV courtroom drama that is often left out---the current justice system exacts a very large financial penalty on every person charged---whether they are guilty or innocent. Your forced to pay to maintain your freedom becasue the system is really too complicated and dangerous to try to navigate on your own. Essentially, every case in our adversarial system of justice is always a financial loss for the defendant and a financial victory for the lawyers---regardless of the final disposition of the case.
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01-14-2018 03:17 AM
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RE: The Innocence Deniers
(01-14-2018 03:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "In 2014, the court sided with Worthy, ruling that actual innocence was not a valid reason to withdraw a guilty plea."

I quit reading right there.

The rest of the article can't possible be worth a ****.

There is a concerted effort in this country to destroy the system by claiming that it is immoral. It's disgusting and driven by ignorance.

Agree. Simply chilling. There was an HBO series called "The Night Of". Its a good show and it effectively revealed a side of TV courtroom drama that is often left out---the current justice system exacts a very large financial penalty on every person charged---whether they are guilty or innocent. Your forced to pay to maintain your freedom becasue the system is really too complicated and dangerous to try to navigate on your own. Essentially, every case in our adversarial system of justice is always a financial loss for the defendant and a financial victory for the lawyers---regardless of the final disposition of the case.

I don’t think we agree.
01-14-2018 03:23 AM
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(01-14-2018 01:17 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  When convictions are clearly wrong, these prosecutors don’t just hinder justice—they actively work against it.

An utterly depressing read.

Sounds like Mueller and his crew.04-cheers
01-14-2018 11:01 AM
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RE: The Innocence Deniers
(01-14-2018 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 01:17 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  When convictions are clearly wrong, these prosecutors don’t just hinder justice—they actively work against it.

An utterly depressing read.

Sounds like Mueller and his crew.04-cheers

No these are cases that have already been adjudicated and DNA or other evidence (in one case fingerprints in the blood on the murder weapon) has proven the wrong person is in prison and the prosecutors actively work to not only keep the wrong person in prison they refuse to prosecute the person the evidence points to.

Big difference in investigating and maybe down the road bring a case and actively working to keep the wrong person in prison and not prosecuting the right person.
01-14-2018 11:24 AM
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(01-14-2018 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 01:17 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  When convictions are clearly wrong, these prosecutors don’t just hinder justice—they actively work against it.

An utterly depressing read.

Sounds like Mueller and his crew.04-cheers

No these are cases that have already been adjudicated and DNA or other evidence (in one case fingerprints in the blood on the murder weapon) has proven the wrong person is in prison and the prosecutors actively work to not only keep the wrong person in prison they refuse to prosecute the person the evidence points to.

Big difference in investigating and maybe down the road bring a case and actively working to keep the wrong person in prison and not prosecuting the right person.

You are only getting one side of this story. It may be the only valid side. But maybe the prosecutor has reason to believe the other guy is lying about the convicted one being involved.
01-14-2018 11:27 AM
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And Mueller absolutely is trying to intimidate and spend and leak Flynn, Manafort, etc. into the ground. Very totalitarian type tactics.
01-14-2018 11:28 AM
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RE: The Innocence Deniers
(01-14-2018 11:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 01:17 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  When convictions are clearly wrong, these prosecutors don’t just hinder justice—they actively work against it.

An utterly depressing read.

Sounds like Mueller and his crew.04-cheers

No these are cases that have already been adjudicated and DNA or other evidence (in one case fingerprints in the blood on the murder weapon) has proven the wrong person is in prison and the prosecutors actively work to not only keep the wrong person in prison they refuse to prosecute the person the evidence points to.

Big difference in investigating and maybe down the road bring a case and actively working to keep the wrong person in prison and not prosecuting the right person.

You are only getting one side of this story. It may be the only valid side. But maybe the prosecutor has reason to believe the other guy is lying about the convicted one being involved.
Then present the evidence rather than trying to obstruct on procedural grounds.
01-14-2018 11:31 AM
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RE: The Innocence Deniers
(01-14-2018 11:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 01:17 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  When convictions are clearly wrong, these prosecutors don’t just hinder justice—they actively work against it.
An utterly depressing read.
Sounds like Mueller and his crew.04-cheers
No these are cases that have already been adjudicated and DNA or other evidence (in one case fingerprints in the blood on the murder weapon) has proven the wrong person is in prison and the prosecutors actively work to not only keep the wrong person in prison they refuse to prosecute the person the evidence points to.
Big difference in investigating and maybe down the road bring a case and actively working to keep the wrong person in prison and not prosecuting the right person.
You are only getting one side of this story. It may be the only valid side. But maybe the prosecutor has reason to believe the other guy is lying about the convicted one being involved.

On the other side of the story, the state police, the Michigan Attorney General's office, and the Judge presented a motion to vacate the conviction all agreed on Sanford's innocence... he was released and awarded over $400,000 in compensation.

Davontae Sanford - National Registry of Exonerations
Quote:At that point, the Michigan State Appellate Defender Office stepped aside as Sanford’s attorney and the Michigan Innocence Clinic and Northwestern University’s Center on Wrongful Convictions of Youth took over his case. The legal team contacted former Washington, D.C. police detective James Trainum, an expert on false confessions. Trainum analyzed Sanford’s confession and determined that the correct facts in it were based on information police knew at the time of the crime and the incorrect facts were information that police did not know at the time—suggesting that Sanford was fed information by the detectives. Trainum also analyzed Smothers’ confession and concluded Smothers was truthful.

A motion for relief from judgment was filed on Sanford’s behalf and the Michigan State Police became interested in the case. On May 4, 2015, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy formally requested a reinvestigation by the state police.

A year later, in May 2016, the state police concluded their investigation and reported to Worthy that the evidence indicated that Smothers and Davis committed the Runyon Street shooting—not Sanford.

The state police reported that during their investigation, deputy police chief Tolbert, who had testified that Sanford drew the diagram of the interior of the house, said for the first time that he—not Sanford—drew the diagram.

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Judge Sullivan vacated Sanford’s convictions and ordered him released from prison. Sanford was released on June 8, 2016 and on July 19, 2016, the charges were dismissed. In September 2017, Sanford's lawyers filed a federal civil rights lawsuit seeking damages from Russell, Tolbert, and the city of Detroit.

Sanford's lawyers filed a claim with the state of Michigan seeking compensation. In November, the Michigan Attorney General's Office agreed that Sanford qualified for compensation, noting at the same time that Worthy opposed granting Sanford compensation. In December 2017, Sanford was awarded $408,000 in compensation from the state of Michigan.
01-14-2018 07:00 PM
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