(01-14-2018 08:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 08:09 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 07:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  What rankings do the committee primarily use? Should we be paying attention to RPI, or another ranking?

In the past its always been RPI, but I believe they are supposed to start using other metrics in addition to RPI this year. What exactly they will use i'm not sure. The way RPI is being used has also been tweaked, with road games finally being given more weight than home games.

So don't pay attention to Ken Pom, BPI, etc.???

Focus on RPI of less than 60??

RPI is dominate all though not exclusive. The rules change concerned quality of wins home games are 1-30 neutral 50-100 away 1-75. The other tiers changed too on home , neutral, away basis. Right now every win on the road except ECU and USF is at least a tier 2 victory, meaning they help everyone's resume. Home wins vs half the league are tier 2, Wichita is a tier 1 home win.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ges-teams/

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:00 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:48 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:45 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  Um, that's a pretty big difference.

I'm sorry the truth hurts. I'm even more sorry that a Cincy fan didn't think 150 and 300+ were a big difference.

Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:00 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 04:48 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

I'm sorry the truth hurts. I'm even more sorry that a Cincy fan didn't think 150 and 300+ were a big difference.

Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:00 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I'm sorry the truth hurts. I'm even more sorry that a Cincy fan didn't think 150 and 300+ were a big difference.

Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

No, we are more concerned what you Shocker fans think about it.

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:00 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I'm sorry the truth hurts. I'm even more sorry that a Cincy fan didn't think 150 and 300+ were a big difference.

Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

Bingo.

Some Cincy fans can't fathom inferiority to other teams in the conference, whether it's true or not.

(01-15-2018 12:04 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

Bingo.

Some Cincy fans can't fathom inferiority to other teams in the conference, whether it's true or not.

Bingo. You have all us nailed.

(01-15-2018 12:04 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

Bingo.

Some Wichita fans can't fathom inferiority to other teams in the conference, whether it's true or not.

Fify, had a little spelling error there.

If we can ever get BJ back, it will mean we have at least one person on the floor who can shoot a field goal.

That would give us a decent chance of climbing into the 40'ish RPI range. It'll probably be too little too late but we'll see.

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:00 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I'm sorry the truth hurts. I'm even more sorry that a Cincy fan didn't think 150 and 300+ were a big difference.

Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

I didn't say it doesn't matter. What I said was that the teams on that schedule and who you beat is what actually holds the weight. The raw SOS number is used more to evaluate bubble teams than seed teams.

I mean, do you really think the committee cares whether you beat a middling mid major team when you are talking about the top 4 seed lines? The original quote I responded to said it would cost UC 'a few seed lines'. Not only is that absurd, it way oversimplifies SoS and that's what I was pointing out.

(01-15-2018 11:31 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 11:27 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:44 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:59 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:33 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Maybe you do not understand. It is near impossible to schedule strategically around the NKU mens and Womens program. Congratulations, you were able to beat a couple mid tier Mac type teams.

I'm pretty sure there isn't even a MAC team on the schedule, but it sure as hell beats the bottom of the barrel SWAC and MEAC teams.

Maybe I don't understand. Why are SWAC and MEAC teams more flexible with their scheduling than "mid-pack MAC teams"? Am I missing something?

Regardless of the excuses, I'm just going by the numbers out in front of everyone. The SOS leaves a lot to be desired and will likely cost Cincy a few seed lines on Selection Sunday. I doubt the committee will be listening to the NKU excuse.

First of all, this comment is ludicrous. A few seed lines? GTFOH.

Second, what matters to the committee is wins, not just schedule. That's why you don't understand that the difference between 150 and 300 means little to your profile come tournament time. If you think it does, then you don't have to go past looking at UC last year to find evidence to the contrary. UC scheduled very similar to how WSU did this year, and ended up with a 6 seed with 30 wins. The committee values high level wins. Tier 1 wins now is what they are calling it. Beating 150 RPI teams doesn't register on their radar. UC will be judged based on how many Tier 1 and, to a lesser extent, Tier 2 wins they have at the end of the year. It means a little more if you are on the bubble, but not when it comes to seeding.

I know it's the only thing WSU fans on here seem to be holding their hat on while we wait for one team to slip up or play each other, but just because it helps to make you feel superior, doesn't make it true.

Do you think the OOC schedule doesn't matter at all? Every year the committee says it does matter.

I didn't say it doesn't matter. What I said was that the teams on that schedule and who you beat is what actually holds the weight. The raw SOS number is used more to evaluate bubble teams than seed teams.

I mean, do you really think the committee cares whether you beat a middling mid major team when you are talking about the top 4 seed lines? The original quote I responded to said it would cost UC 'a few seed lines'. Not only is that absurd, it way oversimplifies SoS and that's what I was pointing out.

Sorry we just disagree. The non-conf SOS has and can absolutely affect seed lines. Would you rather Cincy be 6-0 vs RPI 101-200 or 6-0 vs RPI 201-351?

Speaking of RPI's, if UCF finishes with an RPI of, say, 50th but finishes with, say, only 20 wins would they be more likely to get an at large NIT bid in lieu of an NCAA at large bid ?

(01-15-2018 12:51 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Speaking of RPI's, if UCF finishes with an RPI of, say, 50th but finishes with, say, only 20 wins would they be more likely to get an at large NIT bid in lieu of an NCAA at large bid ?

Yes, you would be staring the NIT right in the face.

If you win all of your remaining games except against Cincy & WSU you should have enough to make the NCAA's.

(01-15-2018 01:12 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 12:51 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Speaking of RPI's, if UCF finishes with an RPI of, say, 50th but finishes with, say, only 20 wins would they be more likely to get an at large NIT bid in lieu of an NCAA at large bid ?

Yes, you would be staring the NIT right in the face.

If you win all of your remaining games except against Cincy & WSU you should have enough to make the NCAA's.

Depends on other things, but that would be edge of the bubble high nit seed. You add even a win to that against a decent team and you are on first four/bubble. A good win gets you in.

The cut off will be in the mid 50s but if you are near the line things like who you beat and where could be the deciding factors depending on the narrative the committee uses to get the most big name schools in. High 40s to low 60s have very similar resumes. So you have 12-15 teams competing and 8-10 spots to give.

(01-14-2018 03:34 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 02:51 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  The Cincinnati and Houston SOS's are pretty glaring..

And hats off to Temple for being #1... too bad that's the only thing going for them.

Shocker fans love to talk about UCs schedule, but digging a little deeper the only real difference is UC playing those 300+ level teams and WSU getting those 150ish ones. It is disappointing UC couldn't get better buy games this year, but based on our recent pattern of scheduling, this looks like a one year aberration brought upon by moving off campus for a year.

Exactly right. ESPN broadcasters have reported about $20,000.00 per home game to rent NKU's arena. Add to that lost parking and concession revenues, cost of student transportation and miscellaneous expenses related to playing in another state and the quality of the buy game choices is indeed an aberration. Pre-conference games at home next season already include Ohio State, UCLA and X so the problem is temporary.

(01-15-2018 03:24 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 03:34 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 02:51 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  The Cincinnati and Houston SOS's are pretty glaring..

And hats off to Temple for being #1... too bad that's the only thing going for them.

Shocker fans love to talk about UCs schedule, but digging a little deeper the only real difference is UC playing those 300+ level teams and WSU getting those 150ish ones. It is disappointing UC couldn't get better buy games this year, but based on our recent pattern of scheduling, this looks like a one year aberration brought upon by moving off campus for a year.

Exactly right. ESPN broadcasters have reported about $20,000.00 per home game to rent NKU's arena. Add to that lost parking and concession revenues, cost of student transportation and miscellaneous expenses related to playing in another state and the quality of the buy game choices is indeed an aberration. Pre-conference games at home next season already include Ohio State, UCLA and X so the problem is temporary.

Did you really have to repaint the court for every home game? Seems like you could have saved quite a bit of money by just keeping the NKU logos on the court (like Houston at Texas Southern).

UC has its floor on site and they spend a day switching them out for home conference games.

Its a bit of a financial burden playing there but it is what it is. Especially so since we are like so many schools in this conference that subsidize 40% or more of the athletic budget. Add in that UC had incredibly tight windows to schedule home games around NKU's use of their facility and you get who you can get. All in all, NKU has been a great host and its a great place to play since NKU has a better arena than probably 9 of the schools in this conference.

The upside of one year of minor discomfort is UC will have one of the best facilities in the game regardless of conference come next November.

Having Ohio State agree to come in to open the new arena indicates that scheduling shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

(01-15-2018 03:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  UC has its floor on site and they spend a day switching them out for home conference games.

Its a bit of a financial burden playing there but it is what it is. Especially so since we are like so many schools in this conference that subsidize 40% or more of the athletic budget. Add in that UC had incredibly tight windows to schedule home games around NKU's use of their facility and you get who you can get. All in all, NKU has been a great host and its a great place to play since NKU has a better arena than probably 9 of the schools in this conference.

The upside of one year of minor discomfort is UC will have one of the best facilities in the game regardless of conference come next November.

Having Ohio State agree to come in to open the new arena indicates that scheduling shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

Ah ok. Agree with everything you said here.

(01-15-2018 03:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  UC has its floor on site and they spend a day switching them out for home conference games.

Its a bit of a financial burden playing there but it is what it is. Especially so since we are like so many schools in this conference that subsidize 40% or more of the athletic budget. Add in that UC had incredibly tight windows to schedule home games around NKU's use of their facility and you get who you can get. All in all, NKU has been a great host and its a great place to play since NKU has a better arena than probably 9 of the schools in this conference.

The upside of one year of minor discomfort is UC will have one of the best facilities in the game regardless of conference come next November.

Having Ohio State agree to come in to open the new arena indicates that scheduling shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

Its pretty cool that you can get an instate school to agree to a game. Have you played them regularly or is this a new thing?

(01-15-2018 03:48 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 03:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  UC has its floor on site and they spend a day switching them out for home conference games.

Its a bit of a financial burden playing there but it is what it is. Especially so since we are like so many schools in this conference that subsidize 40% or more of the athletic budget. Add in that UC had incredibly tight windows to schedule home games around NKU's use of their facility and you get who you can get. All in all, NKU has been a great host and its a great place to play since NKU has a better arena than probably 9 of the schools in this conference.

The upside of one year of minor discomfort is UC will have one of the best facilities in the game regardless of conference come next November.

Having Ohio State agree to come in to open the new arena indicates that scheduling shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

Its pretty cool that you can get an instate school to agree to a game. Have you played them regularly or is this a new thing?

Nice to see so many local rivalries on OOC schedules. I mean, look at this year... Wichita finally got to host their in-state rival, South Dakota State.

They have not agreed to play us since the 2006 season when we only had one NAIA player returning to rebuild a team for Cronin in his first year off a self-imposed death penalty after the Huggins and Andy Kennedy fall out.

Its a pretty big deal to have landed them for that arena opener.