(01-17-2018 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This CFP committee is biased and inherently unfair. I just don't get how people can't see that. What am I missing? And, Aresco is for this committee as constituted?

Who does the selection for candidates? Who were the candidates? How were they selected? Who was nominated? How did the selection progress go? Did the conferences plus ND vote on them? Were the votes party line 6-5?

So many questions, so little answers.................all in the dark.

All you need to know is each conference gets a vote. Thats 5-5...then Notre Dame gets a vote.

So the voting becomes P5-6 G5-5. The 13 member committee is virtually all P5 reps with a G5 lap dog or two for window dressing. Its a joke. Thats why I was completely against the Selection Committee concept from the start. Its much easier to rig than 2 polls comprised of thousands of voters working in conjunction with multiple computer models. Cant easily control an outcome with that many inputs. Here, they get 13 guys in a smokey room. Better yet---they get to pick the 13 guys. Now, it they can just buy off the refs in a few key games we can have Alabama vs LSU for the Natty every year.

Which is why I keep saying the DOJ needs to bring up ESPN, the SEC, and the CFP committee on RICO charges for running an unlawful monopoly.

(01-17-2018 03:54 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:32 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Why the funk is Ken Hatfield involved? Dude is still mad no one runs the wishbone

Because people associate him with Rice and forget he's really a good ol Arkansas boy.

He was at clemson too, right?

(01-17-2018 04:13 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 03:54 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:32 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Why the funk is Ken Hatfield involved? Dude is still mad no one runs the wishbone

Because people associate him with Rice and forget he's really a good ol Arkansas boy.

He was at clemson too, right?

Run oft before Tommy West

(01-17-2018 03:57 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This CFP committee is biased and inherently unfair. I just don't get how people can't see that. What am I missing? And, Aresco is for this committee as constituted?

Who does the selection for candidates? Who were the candidates? How were they selected? Who was nominated? How did the selection progress go? Did the conferences plus ND vote on them? Were the votes party line 6-5?

So many questions, so little answers.................all in the dark.

All you need to know is each conference gets a vote. Thats 5-5...then Notre Dame gets a vote.

So the voting becomes P5-6 G5-5. The 13 member committee is virtually all P5 reps with a G5 lap dog or two for window dressing. Its a joke. Thats why I was completely against the Selection Committee concept from the start. Its much easier to rig than 2 polls comprised of thousands of voters working in conjunction with multiple computer models. Cant easily control an outcome with that many inputs. Here, they get 13 guys in a smokey room. Better yet---they get to pick the 13 guys. Now, it they can just buy off the refs in a few key games we can have Alabama vs LSU for the Natty every year.

Which is why I keep saying the DOJ needs to bring up ESPN, the SEC, and the CFP committee on RICO charges for running an unlawful monopoly.

By way of background, "members" are the owners of a limited liability company.

Do you know who the members are of the LLC who run the playoff (CFP Administration, LLC)?

(01-17-2018 02:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This CFP committee is biased and inherently unfair. I just don't get how people can't see that. What am I missing? And, Aresco is for this committee as constituted?

Who does the selection for candidates? Who were the candidates? How were they selected? Who was nominated? How did the selection progress go? Did the conferences plus ND vote on them? Were the votes party line 6-5?

So many questions, so little answers.................all in the dark.

All you need to know is each conference gets a vote. Thats 5-5...then Notre Dame gets a vote.

So the voting becomes P5-6 G5-5. The 13 member committee is virtually all P5 reps with a G5 lap dog or two for window dressing. Its a joke. Thats why I was completely against the Selection Committee concept from the start. Its much easier to rig than 2 polls comprised of thousands of voters working in conjunction with multiple computer models. Cant easily control an outcome with that many inputs. Here, they get 13 guys in a smokey room. Better yet---they get to pick the 13 guys. Now, it they can just buy off the refs in a few key games we can have Alabama vs LSU for the Natty every year.

Why is Notre Dame getting the same amount of votes (1) as the 14 members of the SEC (1). So ND has 14 times the voting power as Alabama.

This whole committee is a crock. What sounded good when it was developed has turned into a sham. 11 "P5" reps over-repping the P so called 5 conferences and escorting them into the playoffs every year. This could not possibly be more biased and unfair. Worse yet, it seems like Aresco and Co. are completely satisfied with the committee. Why aren't they raising a red flag...ever.

Either make it one vote per FBS conference or go back to the BCS rankings using polls and computers. There is no fairness, checks, or balances in this current system.

What can he do at this point? They signed on. When it comes time for renewing the system, that is the time to make a stink. I am sure he is hoping for an angle to get invited next time around as a P6, which I believe is in 2025. There is nothing that can be done mid stream.

(01-17-2018 04:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 03:57 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:26 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This CFP committee is biased and inherently unfair. I just don't get how people can't see that. What am I missing? And, Aresco is for this committee as constituted?

Who does the selection for candidates? Who were the candidates? How were they selected? Who was nominated? How did the selection progress go? Did the conferences plus ND vote on them? Were the votes party line 6-5?

So many questions, so little answers.................all in the dark.

All you need to know is each conference gets a vote. Thats 5-5...then Notre Dame gets a vote.

So the voting becomes P5-6 G5-5. The 13 member committee is virtually all P5 reps with a G5 lap dog or two for window dressing. Its a joke. Thats why I was completely against the Selection Committee concept from the start. Its much easier to rig than 2 polls comprised of thousands of voters working in conjunction with multiple computer models. Cant easily control an outcome with that many inputs. Here, they get 13 guys in a smokey room. Better yet---they get to pick the 13 guys. Now, it they can just buy off the refs in a few key games we can have Alabama vs LSU for the Natty every year.

Which is why I keep saying the DOJ needs to bring up ESPN, the SEC, and the CFP committee on RICO charges for running an unlawful monopoly.

By way of background, "members" are the owners of a limited liability company.

Do you know who the members are of the LLC who run the playoff (CFP Administration, LLC)?

Well here is a stripped down nickel tour so that you can set off on your RICO adventure.

The members (owners if you will), are the 10 nonprofit corporations that are all FBS conferences plus the nonprofit corporation that is Notre Dame.

Before each of these 11 owners could become members of CFP Administration, LLC and be bound by the terms of its member managed operating agreement, they had to vote and pass a corporate certificate of resolution.

Each of the nonprofit corporations that comprise the 10 conferences that are members are each owned and managed by their shareholders. The shareholders of each of these nonprofit corporations that are members of CFP Administration, LLC are the individual schools that vote upon all matters pursuant to the schools’ respective non-profit corporate bylaws. The vote is by the Board of Trustees, or whatever each school calls them and placed the power to approve in the hands of the President of the School on behalf of the shareholder of the conference.

To skip ahead, to bring any civil action, or allege RICO (lol) you have to address all the entities up the line that voted, approved, and knowingly condoned and advanced the system that you are complaining about. That includes the AAC and yes, UCF as a voting shareholder of that entity.

Tilting at windmills...

Perhaps the independents other than Notre Dame could advance a less spurious argument but my guess is they all signed off in some capacity to even be included in the current bowl system.

@ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

(01-17-2018 06:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

That would be interesting and I think that making players sit out isn't always a good thing, but I hope it wouldn't lead to high level teams recruiting the best performing freshmen off of lower level teams.

That is great news for players but the sleaze factor in this will be high(er than normal).

Lord help anybody the first year of this if they have to make a coaching change. Last one out turn off the lights.

(01-17-2018 06:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

If that happens the aac will effectively be destroyed as a competitive conference against the P5. Which is exactly what the P5 wants, they cant beat us so they are going to make it impossible for us to compete.

This will also further drive the divisions in this conference as teams try to get out as soon as possible to get into a P5 conference.


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Where are people going to go?

(01-17-2018 07:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Where are people going to go?

Anywhere but the G5 thats for sure. Im praying the instant transfer doesn’t pass because that will mean then end of UH being a relevant football program.


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(01-17-2018 07:40 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

If that happens the aac will effectively be destroyed as a competitive conference against the P5. Which is exactly what the P5 wants, they cant beat us so they are going to make it impossible for us to compete.

This will also further drive the divisions in this conference as teams try to get out as soon as possible to get into a P5 conference.


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There will still be more guys going from the P5 to the G5 than the other way around. Where its going to be chaos is when coaches get fired or take another job.

(01-17-2018 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 07:40 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

If that happens the aac will effectively be destroyed as a competitive conference against the P5. Which is exactly what the P5 wants, they cant beat us so they are going to make it impossible for us to compete.

This will also further drive the divisions in this conference as teams try to get out as soon as possible to get into a P5 conference.


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There will still be more guys going form the P5 to the G5 than the other way around. Where its going to be chaos is when coaches get fired or take another job.

Ya but all they have to do is recruit our best freshman after a year. We will never be able to build competitive teams.


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(01-17-2018 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 07:40 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 06:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ESPN_Schick

I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.

If that happens the aac will effectively be destroyed as a competitive conference against the P5. Which is exactly what the P5 wants, they cant beat us so they are going to make it impossible for us to compete.

This will also further drive the divisions in this conference as teams try to get out as soon as possible to get into a P5 conference.


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There will still be more guys going from the P5 to the G5 than the other way around. Where its going to be chaos is when coaches get fired or take another job.

So—after whipping the G5 in high school recruiting for decades—suddenly the P5 will start losing recruiting battles to the G5? I’m skeptical of that being the case. Much more likely this becomes a situation where G5 2-Star sensations get poached by the P5 and 4-Star P5 busts the transfer to G5’s.

I think we could steal guys from the State of Florida that go up north and quickly want to get back in the warm weather.

Coaches will also have to treat kids really well. I think the downside becomes losing your coach. This year it would have been possible to lose all playmakers at UCF to Nebraska.

They won’t be able to follow a coach without sitting out. Otherwise G5 coaches would lead in interviews for P5 jobs with who they can bring with them. Not happening.