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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-18-2018 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If anything, it shows bowls are going away anytime soon.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/01/which...ched-most/

Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.
Interesting on value of regular season vs. bowls:

"...1. (1) Alabama at (6) Auburn – Saturday, Nov. 25 on CBS – 13.66 million viewers.
Overall, only three bowl games outdrew the top regular-season game in viewership – and those were all associated with the CFP bracket (the Sugar and Rose semi-finals and the National Championship game). In other words, no non-bracket bowl game attracted more viewers than did Alabama at Auburn in Week 13. And, rather than being literally the only game on TV, the Iron Bowl was one of 43 games played that Saturday.
Of the three teams mentioned twice in the top five of regular-season viewership, two drew in more viewers in their regular-season highs than during bowl season:
Ohio State had 9.468 million tune in to its Cotton Bowl appearance vs. USC. Compare that to the 10.15 million it drew at Michigan and the 12.92 it garnered in the Big Ten title game vs. Wisconsin.
Auburn had 8.377 million viewers watch its Peach Bowl appearance vs. UCF (the least viewed of the six rotating CFP bowl games). Compare that to the 13.47 million who tuned in for the SEC title game vs. Georgia and the 13.66 million who watched the Iron Bowl vs. Alabama...."

The author seems to think his numbers denigrate the bowls, but in fact they show how important they are. E.g., the discussion of Auburn makes the Peach look bad, but it was still the 3rd-highest rated game Auburn played all last year, and they draw good ratings. The Peach even beat out the first Auburn - Georgia game.

And for UCF, it surely was far and away their most-watched game. Heck, all the other games UCF played put together drew about 9.5 million viewers. The Peach did 8.3 million by itself.

The article shows what a BOON these bowl games are exposure-wise for the G5 teams. E.g., Troy's bowl game drew 1.3 million viewers, more than double the viewers for any other game, except for LSU vs Troy, and it even beat that game by 500k viewers.

These bowl games, even the rinky-dink ones, are nice exposure for the G5.

The past several years there have not been many schools who didn't have their best TV ratings of the year for their bowl game.
The exceptions have been the schools playing a midweek game during work hours, teams that lost a conference title game, and some quirks like Rice's game against TAMU when Johnny Out Of Football came back from his suspension.

Bowls are just a good stage to reach more people.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-18-2018 11:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If anything, it shows bowls are going away anytime soon.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/01/which...ched-most/

Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.
Interesting on value of regular season vs. bowls:

"...1. (1) Alabama at (6) Auburn – Saturday, Nov. 25 on CBS – 13.66 million viewers.
Overall, only three bowl games outdrew the top regular-season game in viewership – and those were all associated with the CFP bracket (the Sugar and Rose semi-finals and the National Championship game). In other words, no non-bracket bowl game attracted more viewers than did Alabama at Auburn in Week 13. And, rather than being literally the only game on TV, the Iron Bowl was one of 43 games played that Saturday.
Of the three teams mentioned twice in the top five of regular-season viewership, two drew in more viewers in their regular-season highs than during bowl season:
Ohio State had 9.468 million tune in to its Cotton Bowl appearance vs. USC. Compare that to the 10.15 million it drew at Michigan and the 12.92 it garnered in the Big Ten title game vs. Wisconsin.
Auburn had 8.377 million viewers watch its Peach Bowl appearance vs. UCF (the least viewed of the six rotating CFP bowl games). Compare that to the 13.47 million who tuned in for the SEC title game vs. Georgia and the 13.66 million who watched the Iron Bowl vs. Alabama...."

The author seems to think his numbers denigrate the bowls, but in fact they show how important they are. E.g., the discussion of Auburn makes the Peach look bad, but it was still the 3rd-highest rated game Auburn played all last year, and they draw good ratings. The Peach even beat out the first Auburn - Georgia game.

And for UCF, it surely was far and away their most-watched game. Heck, all the other games UCF played put together drew about 9.5 million viewers. The Peach did 8.3 million by itself.

The article shows what a BOON these bowl games are exposure-wise for the G5 teams. E.g., Troy's bowl game drew 1.3 million viewers, more than double the viewers for any other game, except for LSU vs Troy, and it even beat that game by 500k viewers.

These bowl games, even the rinky-dink ones, are nice exposure for the G5.

The past several years there have not been many schools who didn't have their best TV ratings of the year for their bowl game.
The exceptions have been the schools playing a midweek game during work hours, teams that lost a conference title game, and some quirks like Rice's game against TAMU when Johnny Out Of Football came back from his suspension.

Bowls are just a good stage to reach more people.

Yes, e.g., Boise State's bowl game tripled their viewers for any other game, and they are a pretty high profile brand that plays P5 teams in the regular season.

Typically, a G5 team will double or even triple its best audience for the year in their bowl game, no matter how rink-dink the bowl is, and even if it is G5 vs G5.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-18-2018 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If anything, it shows bowls are going away anytime soon.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/01/which...ched-most/

Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.
Interesting on value of regular season vs. bowls:

"...1. (1) Alabama at (6) Auburn – Saturday, Nov. 25 on CBS – 13.66 million viewers.
Overall, only three bowl games outdrew the top regular-season game in viewership – and those were all associated with the CFP bracket (the Sugar and Rose semi-finals and the National Championship game). In other words, no non-bracket bowl game attracted more viewers than did Alabama at Auburn in Week 13. And, rather than being literally the only game on TV, the Iron Bowl was one of 43 games played that Saturday.
Of the three teams mentioned twice in the top five of regular-season viewership, two drew in more viewers in their regular-season highs than during bowl season:
Ohio State had 9.468 million tune in to its Cotton Bowl appearance vs. USC. Compare that to the 10.15 million it drew at Michigan and the 12.92 it garnered in the Big Ten title game vs. Wisconsin.
Auburn had 8.377 million viewers watch its Peach Bowl appearance vs. UCF (the least viewed of the six rotating CFP bowl games). Compare that to the 13.47 million who tuned in for the SEC title game vs. Georgia and the 13.66 million who watched the Iron Bowl vs. Alabama...."

The author seems to think his numbers denigrate the bowls, but in fact they show how important they are. E.g., the discussion of Auburn makes the Peach look bad, but it was still the 3rd-highest rated game Auburn played all last year, and they draw good ratings. The Peach even beat out the first Auburn - Georgia game.

And for UCF, it surely was far and away their most-watched game. Heck, all the other games UCF played put together drew about 9.5 million viewers. The Peach did 8.3 million by itself.

The article shows what a BOON these bowl games are exposure-wise for the G5 teams. E.g., Troy's bowl game drew 1.3 million viewers, more than double the viewers for any other game, except for LSU vs Troy, and it even beat that game by 500k viewers.

These bowl games, even the rinky-dink ones, are nice exposure for the G5.

Exactly....look at these 2 bowls:
Armed Forces Bowl, Army vs San Diego St. 2 unranked non cartel schools. 3.5 million viewers.
Las Vegas Bowl: Boise St vs Oregon. Unranked schools, one a bad 7-5 PAC team the other a G5. 3.8 million viewers.
Those numbers are double some ranked cartel school matchups like #16 Michigan St vs #18 Washington St...1.3 million viewers.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-17-2018 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

Didn't surprise me. The Peach was the relegation bowl, the G5 rep vs a 3-loss and utterly demoralized Auburn team. Turned out to be a fun game but who woulda guessed?

In contrast, the Citrus featured two top-brand blue-bloods, Notre Dame and LSU. That figured to draw more viewers.

Geez, Auburn sure looked to me like they were trying. I couldn't tell they were so demoralized.

I'd say it probably had more to do with Notre Dame being in the Citrus.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-18-2018 11:19 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If anything, it shows bowls are going away anytime soon.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/01/which...ched-most/

Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.
Interesting on value of regular season vs. bowls:

"...1. (1) Alabama at (6) Auburn – Saturday, Nov. 25 on CBS – 13.66 million viewers.
Overall, only three bowl games outdrew the top regular-season game in viewership – and those were all associated with the CFP bracket (the Sugar and Rose semi-finals and the National Championship game). In other words, no non-bracket bowl game attracted more viewers than did Alabama at Auburn in Week 13. And, rather than being literally the only game on TV, the Iron Bowl was one of 43 games played that Saturday.
Of the three teams mentioned twice in the top five of regular-season viewership, two drew in more viewers in their regular-season highs than during bowl season:
Ohio State had 9.468 million tune in to its Cotton Bowl appearance vs. USC. Compare that to the 10.15 million it drew at Michigan and the 12.92 it garnered in the Big Ten title game vs. Wisconsin.
Auburn had 8.377 million viewers watch its Peach Bowl appearance vs. UCF (the least viewed of the six rotating CFP bowl games). Compare that to the 13.47 million who tuned in for the SEC title game vs. Georgia and the 13.66 million who watched the Iron Bowl vs. Alabama...."

The author seems to think his numbers denigrate the bowls, but in fact they show how important they are. E.g., the discussion of Auburn makes the Peach look bad, but it was still the 3rd-highest rated game Auburn played all last year, and they draw good ratings. The Peach even beat out the first Auburn - Georgia game.

And for UCF, it surely was far and away their most-watched game. Heck, all the other games UCF played put together drew about 9.5 million viewers. The Peach did 8.3 million by itself.

The article shows what a BOON these bowl games are exposure-wise for the G5 teams. E.g., Troy's bowl game drew 1.3 million viewers, more than double the viewers for any other game, except for LSU vs Troy, and it even beat that game by 500k viewers.

These bowl games, even the rinky-dink ones, are nice exposure for the G5.

Exactly....look at these 2 bowls:
Armed Forces Bowl, Army vs San Diego St. 2 unranked non cartel schools. 3.5 million viewers.
Las Vegas Bowl: Boise St vs Oregon. Unranked schools, one a bad 7-5 PAC team the other a G5. 3.8 million viewers.
Those numbers are double some ranked cartel school matchups like #16 Michigan St vs #18 Washington St...1.3 million viewers.

Alright guys, this is exactly why we aren't moving to an expanded playoff. Because, if we did ESPN turns a dead time money winner, the bowl season, into an afterthought. You need quality also ran schools to play as the headliners in these bowls because without them there wouldn't be enough schools with just the bottom of the P conferences and the best of the G5 to keep them going. There is too much profit here for ESPN at a down time to let them go for the sake of 4 high dollar overhead playoff games.

Now toss in the fact that the school presidents don't want an expanded playoff, A.D.'s don't want it, the coaches don't want another week of work during the holiday season, especially the ones that might have to prepare for 3 huge games, and the players are already reticent to play in the postseason if they are high draft selections, and I think you can see now why nobody but sportswriters who need to stir readers even talk about it.
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(01-18-2018 11:35 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 11:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 09:44 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

Didn't surprise me. The Peach was the relegation bowl, the G5 rep vs a 3-loss and utterly demoralized Auburn team. Turned out to be a fun game but who woulda guessed?

In contrast, the Citrus featured two top-brand blue-bloods, Notre Dame and LSU. That figured to draw more viewers.

Geez, Auburn sure looked to me like they were trying. I couldn't tell they were so demoralized.

Sure, you are in a game, you try. But "trying" involves a lot more than just in-game effort. It involves all the time spent, or not spent, putting forth effort in practice, paying attention in the film room, etc. preparing for the game.

Auburn was crushed after the SEC title game loss, and then to draw UCF in their bowl? The pits.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
Found this info from sportswatch with ratings numbers and actual viewer numbers for each bowl game. Total of 200M viewers during bowl season 04-jawdrop

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

You can also check tv ratings weekly to see which games drew best plus there is a historical database going back to 2012.

NIU-Duke's Detroit Bowl contest drew a surprisingly good 2.5M + viewers which is 3X NIU's best viewing number of the year (Nebraska game 9/16). If only NIU had played as well vs Duke as in the Nebraska game :( but could not have hoped for any better ratings wise

Outdrew 4 bowls with 2 P5 teams

Sun-NC ST-AZ St
Heart of Dallas- UT vs WVA
San Francisco- Purdue vs AZ
Holiday- Michigan St vs Washington St

Plus 2 others with P5vsG5
Military Bowl - Navy vs VA
Independence- FSU vs USM

The lowest rated bowls were primarily early afternoon scheduled mid week games or on Sat 12/16 when 5 bowls were schedulied (including the Celebration Bowl game of NC A&T vs Grambling) plus the D2 National CHampionship game, hard to watch 6 games in a day.

Hopefully the bowl organizers will give thought to scheduling some games after NYD at least the Friday Night and Saturday afternoon which should also increase attendance as it is easier for fans to get to a weekend vs a midweek day game.
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(01-18-2018 02:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 01:22 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='quo vadis' pid='15000310' dateline='1516250515']
[quote='msm96wolf' pid='14999983' dateline='1516243497']
Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

And the ACC, other than Clemson in the post season was really nowhere to be found. They did crack the regular season top 5 with Alabama vs F.S.U..


Except, you know, that ACC teams were involved in the highest-rated non playoff bowl, the largest audience in a NY6 bowl, and 3 out of the next 4 most watched bowls that didn't have a SEC or B1G opponent.

What did that get you? They don't give out parting gifts like on game shows. The key words are, "that didn't have a SEC

or B1G opponent" and I hope you aren't counting Notre Dame here. Their football team isn't ACC. I didn't see what the Louisville vs Miss State drew. And that N.C. State game drew 3 million?

Im just pointing out you're wrong that "ACC other than Clemson in the offseason was nowhere to be found". The ACC will never match the TV ratings for the SEC or the B1G. Neither will the B12 or Pac12 for that matter. It's a competition for third place and always will be. Empirically, the ACC is doing just fine in that regard, as this season's conference matchups show. The "nowhere to be found" ACC is only averaging 500k less viewers than the B1G:

Millions of viewers:
Network SEC 4.67 (skewed by the season finale's crazy 14M viewers, twice the rating for any other regular season SEC matchup)
Network B1G 4.09
Network ACC 3.58
Network B12 2.91
Network Pac12 2.44
ESPN B1G 6.13 (skewed by having only 4 B1G games on ESPN, all high profile)
ESPN SEC 2.62
ESPN B12 2.05
ESPN ACC 2.03
ESPN Pac12 1.79
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(01-18-2018 06:59 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 02:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 01:22 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='quo vadis' pid='15000310' dateline='1516250515']
[quote='msm96wolf' pid='14999983' dateline='1516243497']
Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

And the ACC, other than Clemson in the post season was really nowhere to be found. They did crack the regular season top 5 with Alabama vs F.S.U..


Except, you know, that ACC teams were involved in the highest-rated non playoff bowl, the largest audience in a NY6 bowl, and 3 out of the next 4 most watched bowls that didn't have a SEC or B1G opponent.

What did that get you? They don't give out parting gifts like on game shows. The key words are, "that didn't have a SEC

or B1G opponent" and I hope you aren't counting Notre Dame here. Their football team isn't ACC. I didn't see what the Louisville vs Miss State drew. And that N.C. State game drew 3 million?

Im just pointing out you're wrong that "ACC other than Clemson in the offseason was nowhere to be found". The ACC will never match the TV ratings for the SEC or the B1G. Neither will the B12 or Pac12 for that matter. It's a competition for third place and always will be. Empirically, the ACC is doing just fine in that regard ...

Agreed. Both on the field and on TV, the ACC has never been a better football conference, and is doing fine.

With Miami, FSU, and Clemson, the ACC has three tier-one draws, and also a few second-tier draws, such as VT, Louisville, and North Carolina.

ACC football will never be ACC basketball but it is more than holding its own.
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RE: Pretty interesting article on the Bowl Ratings
(01-18-2018 07:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 06:59 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 02:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 01:22 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='quo vadis' pid='15000310' dateline='1516250515']
[quote='msm96wolf' pid='14999983' dateline='1516243497']
Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

And the ACC, other than Clemson in the post season was really nowhere to be found. They did crack the regular season top 5 with Alabama vs F.S.U..


Except, you know, that ACC teams were involved in the highest-rated non playoff bowl, the largest audience in a NY6 bowl, and 3 out of the next 4 most watched bowls that didn't have a SEC or B1G opponent.

What did that get you? They don't give out parting gifts like on game shows. The key words are, "that didn't have a SEC

or B1G opponent" and I hope you aren't counting Notre Dame here. Their football team isn't ACC. I didn't see what the Louisville vs Miss State drew. And that N.C. State game drew 3 million?

Im just pointing out you're wrong that "ACC other than Clemson in the offseason was nowhere to be found". The ACC will never match the TV ratings for the SEC or the B1G. Neither will the B12 or Pac12 for that matter. It's a competition for third place and always will be. Empirically, the ACC is doing just fine in that regard ...

Agreed. Both on the field and on TV, the ACC has never been a better football conference, and is doing fine.

With Miami, FSU, and Clemson, the ACC has three tier-one draws, and also a few second-tier draws, such as VT, Louisville, and North Carolina.

ACC football will never be ACC basketball but it is more than holding its own.

Except those numbers he listed don't jibe with the last two regular season games of the SEC which both drew over 13 million, nor do they coincide with the SEC's CFP numbers.

And on another note, while you are right that Slive's first ESPN deal wasn't stellar, the renewal with the SECN contract may prove to be fortuitous yet, especially if things continue to sag with millennials. We also have something we really didn't have in the first deal, better built in escalators.

If the Big 10 bet wrong on their 6 year deal it could wind up costing them a little bit.

And then we always have the right to renegotiate with additions. The real upside Quo is still in our gate and donations. The Big 10 will make 5 million dollars more than the SEC in T1 & T2 revenue for football & basketball this year Quo, but the SEC even with that deficit will average 12 million more per school than the Big 10 in gross total revenue. Let that sink in a bit.

And then there was the devaluation of the BTN last year as it dropped 150 million in value. I'll be interested to see if that was an anomaly when the reports come in around April of this year, or if it was a divestiture. It will also be interesting to see if FOX bids high for them in 5 years or if ESPN has the door open for them to step in.

The Big 10 will be fine, and so will the SEC. If the ACCN pays off at 70% of the SECN they'll pass the Big 12 and put distance between themselves and the PAC. That will be narrative changer if they can do that.

So by April we'll know a lot more about 2017. In April of 2020 when the ACCN figures are released we'll know a lot more.

And another thing to watch this year is how many NCAA tourney entrants the SEC gets. That could be several million more that we pick up. We've been having 3 or 4 make it in and so far this year we are projected to place 8 in the field.
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