(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:08 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:05 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:58 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'd recommend him for a paramedic job.

In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.

He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.

If that is the way you feel, that is fine.

But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.

Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.

“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”

https://www.speaker.gov/press-release/st...ca-program

They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.

These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?

I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:08 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:05 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:58 PM)IAH Wrote:  If that is the way you feel, that is fine.

But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.

Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.

“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”

https://www.speaker.gov/press-release/st...ca-program

They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.

These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?

I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

(01-24-2018 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:08 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:05 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.

These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?

I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

So again when and how they should have gone back (to meet your moral standards)?

(01-24-2018 12:39 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:08 AM)IAH Wrote:  These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?

I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

So again when and how they should have gone back (to meet your moral standards)?

So you are ok with keeping them here? As legal residents? I would take that deal.

I will buy the second round

(01-24-2018 12:39 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:08 AM)IAH Wrote:  These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?

I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

So again when and how they should have gone back (to meet your moral standards)?

The day they turned 18 and remained illegal aliens they assumed responsibility for the illegal actions of their parents.

(01-24-2018 12:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:39 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

So again when and how they should have gone back (to meet your moral standards)?

The day they turned 18 and remained illegal aliens they assumed responsibility for the illegal actions of their parents.

Ok fine , we can agree to disagree (see my previous post)

(01-24-2018 12:41 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:39 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 12:23 AM)IAH Wrote:  [quote='Kaplony' pid='15017327' dateline='1516770797']

The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.

As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.

If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.

Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.

First, for the most part there is no legal way of coming back.

When exactly should they have gone back? When they turned out they 18? Go back to a place where they never been? Where they don’t know anyone?

The us is all they ever known, and it is now their home. I understand your point, but in reality is not practical or doable. And in my opinion not in the best interest of our country. There is no ideal solution for this problem.

Sure there is.....no pathway for citizenship. It's the best of the less than ideal solutions for the country in this situation. If they don't like it they can leave. We owe then absolutely nothing.

So again when and how they should have gone back (to meet your moral standards)?

So you are ok with keeping them here? As legal residents? I would take that deal.

I will buy the second round

(01-23-2018 08:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'll actively work against any politician that supports amnesty. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded period.

Does that make a three month old a criminal for what their parents did by bringing them to cross the border? We can't blame the kids for the sins of their parents.

Kids suffer the consequences of their parents decisions even before they are born. If a parent steals everything you own and gives it to their three year old does the kid get to keep the money?

You could reward the child by giving them a gift like a toy that they wanted after they returned the items. It teached them to do the right thing.

(01-24-2018 12:05 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:58 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:38 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 11:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.

Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.

Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.local10...jects-daca

I'd recommend him for a paramedic job.

In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.

He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.

If that is the way you feel, that is fine.

But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.

Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.

“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”

https://www.speaker.gov/press-release/st...ca-program

They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.

Refugees came here legally because of natural disasters, or war torn countries. We even give emergency medial approval for people from other countries. I know a former co-worker and her husband came to here because medical issues with their kids that they need help. They came from southern parts of Mexico. Their son Jose have a hole in his stomach that needs constant doctor's care. Their daughter have health issues. Her twin sister had the same issue, but died. Both of the kids treated me like their big brother. I was like 9 years older than the girl. Both kids learned English quickly. Very smart kids who could do something great to contribute to this country.

(01-24-2018 01:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'll actively work against any politician that supports amnesty. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded period.

Does that make a three month old a criminal for what their parents did by bringing them to cross the border? We can't blame the kids for the sins of their parents.

Kids suffer the consequences of their parents decisions even before they are born. If a parent steals everything you own and gives it to their three year old does the kid get to keep the money?

You could reward the child by giving them a gift like a toy that they wanted after they returned the items. It teached them to do the right thing.

Three hots & a cot then a free plane ride to whatever shitehole they crawled out of is gift enough.

(01-24-2018 01:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'll actively work against any politician that supports amnesty. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded period.

Does that make a three month old a criminal for what their parents did by bringing them to cross the border? We can't blame the kids for the sins of their parents.

Kids suffer the consequences of their parents decisions even before they are born. If a parent steals everything you own and gives it to their three year old does the kid get to keep the money?

You could reward the child by giving them a gift like a toy that they wanted after they returned the items. It teached them to do the right thing.

Hmmm something stands out here...