Is the question who brings the money? Then I'd wager UCONN.

Basketball: UConn with cincy right behind them
Football: UH and maybe UCF

Baseball: ECU, wsu, and tulane ( correct me im wrong on that one)


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UCONN - it will be read hot coaching opportunity when they decide to let Ollie go.

As I said before, it varies from year to year. In 2017-2018, it is Cincinnati and Wichita in basketball and UCF in football. When the 2018 football season concludes it could be someone else entirely.

(01-22-2018 02:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  Winning and value are completely different things

In basketball it's UConn and its not even close. Uconn wasn't projected to be good this year and still got the most major cable spots: you can tell the value of a team by how they are treated even in failure ... In value UConn is above the rest

In football it's Houston..(I'm making it very clear I'm all judging up until the season, I have no clue how UCFs national championship will affect their worth).. it was UC and Houston when the AAC was created but I don't think the value of Cincy has sustained the last 5 years...

Houston has extremely band wagon fans but when it's good it's good... Every year Houston is pericieved as good they up insane TV rating and get tons of media fluff pieces and attention..the highest rated game in Houston (the 4th largest city in America) the last 8 years wasn't a A&m, texas or lsu game.. it was a Houston game

UCF has a fast growing brand, the nation championship talk has been gang Busters for them, but I really don't know how it affects them till we see how the media treats them next year and their TV ratings. Was the magic an undefeated team claiming a championship or UCF the brand

( Not including navy becuase we don't control the army navy game..navy without question, not even close if it was ALL of navy)

lol wow, really?

We've shared a conference with Houston since 2005 and aside from the 2015/2016 run, I don't recall any major "national fluff pieces" on Houston or special primetime showcasing of Houston football.

In 2013, Houston traveled to UCF with a 6-1 record. The game was on Primetime ESPN. The game was sold out + it pulled a massive 4.8 out of the Orlando market.

The game did not even manage a 1 in Houston. It came in with a .9 overnight rating.

The UCF/Memphis Champ game was 25% more watched than Houston/Temple.

In fact, most all of the top rated inter-AAC games feature UCF, including this year's UCF/USF matchup (where again, despite being a home UCF sellout, the Orlando market was the top rated market for TV viewership)

(01-22-2018 08:54 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  Winning and value are completely different things

In basketball it's UConn and its not even close. Uconn wasn't projected to be good this year and still got the most major cable spots: you can tell the value of a team by how they are treated even in failure ... In value UConn is above the rest

In football it's Houston..(I'm making it very clear I'm all judging up until the season, I have no clue how UCFs national championship will affect their worth).. it was UC and Houston when the AAC was created but I don't think the value of Cincy has sustained the last 5 years...

Houston has extremely band wagon fans but when it's good it's good... Every year Houston is pericieved as good they up insane TV rating and get tons of media fluff pieces and attention..the highest rated game in Houston (the 4th largest city in America) the last 8 years wasn't a A&m, texas or lsu game.. it was a Houston game

UCF has a fast growing brand, the nation championship talk has been gang Busters for them, but I really don't know how it affects them till we see how the media treats them next year and their TV ratings. Was the magic an undefeated team claiming a championship or UCF the brand

( Not including navy becuase we don't control the army navy game..navy without question, not even close if it was ALL of navy)

lol wow, really?

We've shared a conference with Houston since 2005 and aside from the 2015/2016 run, I don't recall any major "national fluff pieces" on Houston or special primetime showcasing of Houston football.

In 2013, Houston traveled to UCF with a 6-1 record. The game was on Primetime ESPN. The game was sold out + it pulled a massive 4.8 out of the Orlando market.

The game did not even manage a 1 in Houston. It came in with a .9 overnight rating.

The UCF/Memphis Champ game was 25% more watched than Houston/Temple.

In fact, most all of the top rated inter-AAC games feature UCF, including this year's UCF/USF matchup (where again, despite being a home UCF sellout, the Orlando market was the top rated market for TV viewership)

IMO, Orlando is the most under valued and under rated TV market in all of college football. If you think the ratings are nice now just wait until UCF has the entirety of the Central Florida area under its watchful eye.

These ratings would more than double in the ACC or Big 12.

UConn basketball

Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

(01-22-2018 09:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Several more teams contribute in both sports than are mentioned.

In football, I don't understand how Memphis and Navy get zero mention. We each have won a division title, same as Houston. We each have won an AAC title, same as Houston. Houston has the NY6 bowl win.

2017
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy 4-4

2016
Navy 7-1
Tulsa 6-2
Memphis 5-3 (beat UH)
Houston 5-3

2015
Houston 7-1
Navy 7-1
Memphis 5-3

2014
Memphis 7-1
Houston 5-3
Navy not in league

Houston, Navy, and Memphis have definitely been the most consistent.

That is the problem with UCF. Up then down then up then down then up, etc...

(01-22-2018 12:22 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Everyone is just kinda crabs in a bucket right now. It would be whoever excels at the major sports but no one does either consistently. Memphis is the closest to it if they can get their basketball back on track. The problem of course is that Memphis has pretty much zero football tradition, with many of their best seasons in school history coming within the last 5 years.

Our problem was lack of commitment to football for years. We've had some big wins in the last 30 years or so:
FLA in Gainesville
USC in the Coliseum (think they were top 20)
Tennessee with Peyton ranked #6
Alabama in the 80s
Ole Miss with Eli that won the Cotton Bowl
Ole Miss in 2015 that beat nat champ Alabama & won the Sugar Bowl


We'd generally follow those up with a WTF loss. Takes time to build and even harder in the p5 era due to coaches jumping for bigger jobs. But, we've finally put forth the commitment and the early returns look great.

Basketball leaves a small footprint compared to football and there is no real football standout in the league. Mix that in with a league that is a few years old with no clear team above the other and we have Question marks ???. the closest is Houston in my opinion with Navy and Memphis being the only constant good team. UCF is weird as one year they are hot and the next they are the laughing stock then they are hot again.

(01-22-2018 08:54 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  Winning and value are completely different things

In basketball it's UConn and its not even close. Uconn wasn't projected to be good this year and still got the most major cable spots: you can tell the value of a team by how they are treated even in failure ... In value UConn is above the rest

In football it's Houston..(I'm making it very clear I'm all judging up until the season, I have no clue how UCFs national championship will affect their worth).. it was UC and Houston when the AAC was created but I don't think the value of Cincy has sustained the last 5 years...

Houston has extremely band wagon fans but when it's good it's good... Every year Houston is pericieved as good they up insane TV rating and get tons of media fluff pieces and attention..the highest rated game in Houston (the 4th largest city in America) the last 8 years wasn't a A&m, texas or lsu game.. it was a Houston game

UCF has a fast growing brand, the nation championship talk has been gang Busters for them, but I really don't know how it affects them till we see how the media treats them next year and their TV ratings. Was the magic an undefeated team claiming a championship or UCF the brand

( Not including navy becuase we don't control the army navy game..navy without question, not even close if it was ALL of navy)

lol wow, really?

We've shared a conference with Houston since 2005 and aside from the 2015/2016 run, I don't recall any major "national fluff pieces" on Houston or special primetime showcasing of Houston football.

In 2013, Houston traveled to UCF with a 6-1 record. The game was on Primetime ESPN. The game was sold out + it pulled a massive 4.8 out of the Orlando market.

The game did not even manage a 1 in Houston. It came in with a .9 overnight rating.

The UCF/Memphis Champ game was 25% more watched than Houston/Temple.

In fact, most all of the top rated inter-AAC games feature UCF, including this year's UCF/USF matchup (where again, despite being a home UCF sellout, the Orlando market was the top rated market for TV viewership)

I said record and value are different things.. and home attendance has nothing to do with value to the people or ECU would be our most valuable team

And Houston wasnt good in 2013... We were coming off a 5-7 season and most of our fans had abandoned Levine. That's why he was fired a year later. And the 6-1 record was from beating up bad teams and that was obvious to everyone....do you know who was good in 2013??? UCF!!!! I'm surprised you blatantly left that out. You picked the best ever year in UCF (at that time) versus a subpar year for houston.. I clearly noted in my response that our fans were bandwagon

And don't remember the national pieces????? I'm guessing houston was put as tier one in our TV deal for fun??? The only c-usa, just becuase???? It literally says in our TV deal UConn, cincy, temple and houston are the most valuable teams.. and unlike the other 3 houston was trash in basketball at that time ., This was before our 014-15 season

google the highest rated games in c-usa.. it was blatantly obvious who is on top... Houston lived in the top 25 from 06-011, we had a history of choking right before the season ended but that doesn't mean we weren't in tthe media before we were upset

Also how can you compare UCF/memphis to houstob/temple.. houston was a super favorite in a not very close game (both teams had losses).. UCF/Memphis went into overtime and was a crazy game for the chance to be the first undefeated team in years..UH/Navy which aired simultaneously against 3 other rivalry week games did better than UH/temple that year ...

Also show facts that all the top inter tier games in AAC history have UCF in it.. becuase last year someone made a chart of top inter AAC games and it was almost ALL houston..but that was before this season I'd love to see it updated with UCF this season..UCF/usf and UCF/Memphis are likely to only 2 to crack and being undefeated playing for a chnace at perfection likely played hugely into that not solely based on the UCF value..WMU quardabled its regularly ratings last year. That doesn't mean they are some major brand

That is really hard.

Hottest today - I have to go with UCF and Houston. Football and vastly improved basketball.

Traditional - UCONN, if they could get football constant, number one hands down.

On the cusp - SMU and Memphis.

Off topic - On hindsight, I really thought B12 made a mistake not taking UCF and Memphis to make 12 team conference. Sadly, Texas and Ok want to see how much more money they may be able to get in 2025.

(01-22-2018 10:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:54 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 02:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  Winning and value are completely different things

In basketball it's UConn and its not even close. Uconn wasn't projected to be good this year and still got the most major cable spots: you can tell the value of a team by how they are treated even in failure ... In value UConn is above the rest

In football it's Houston..(I'm making it very clear I'm all judging up until the season, I have no clue how UCFs national championship will affect their worth).. it was UC and Houston when the AAC was created but I don't think the value of Cincy has sustained the last 5 years...

Houston has extremely band wagon fans but when it's good it's good... Every year Houston is pericieved as good they up insane TV rating and get tons of media fluff pieces and attention..the highest rated game in Houston (the 4th largest city in America) the last 8 years wasn't a A&m, texas or lsu game.. it was a Houston game

UCF has a fast growing brand, the nation championship talk has been gang Busters for them, but I really don't know how it affects them till we see how the media treats them next year and their TV ratings. Was the magic an undefeated team claiming a championship or UCF the brand

( Not including navy becuase we don't control the army navy game..navy without question, not even close if it was ALL of navy)

lol wow, really?

We've shared a conference with Houston since 2005 and aside from the 2015/2016 run, I don't recall any major "national fluff pieces" on Houston or special primetime showcasing of Houston football.

In 2013, Houston traveled to UCF with a 6-1 record. The game was on Primetime ESPN. The game was sold out + it pulled a massive 4.8 out of the Orlando market.

The game did not even manage a 1 in Houston. It came in with a .9 overnight rating.

The UCF/Memphis Champ game was 25% more watched than Houston/Temple.

In fact, most all of the top rated inter-AAC games feature UCF, including this year's UCF/USF matchup (where again, despite being a home UCF sellout, the Orlando market was the top rated market for TV viewership)

I said record and value are different things.. and home attendance has nothing to do with value to the people or ECU would be our most valuable team

And Houston wasnt good in 2013... We were coming off a 5-7 season and most of our fans had abandoned Levine. That's why he was fired a year later. And the 6-1 record was from beating up bad teams and that was obvious to everyone....do you know who was good in 2013??? UCF!!!! I'm surprised you blatantly left that out. You picked the best ever year in UCF (at that time) versus a subpar year for houston.. I clearly noted in my response that our fans were bandwagon

And don't remember the national pieces????? I'm guessing houston was put as tier one in our TV deal for fun??? The only c-usa, just becuase???? It literally says in our TV deal UConn, cincy, temple and houston are the most valuable teams.. and unlike the other 3 houston was trash in basketball at that time ., This was before our 014-15 season

google the highest rated games in c-usa.. it was blatantly obvious who is on top... Houston lived in the top 25 from 06-011, we had a history of choking right before the season ended but that doesn't mean we weren't in tthe media before we were upset

Also how can you compare UCF/memphis to houstob/temple.. houston was a super favorite in a not very close game (both teams had losses).. UCF/Memphis went into overtime and was a crazy game for the chance to be the first undefeated team in years..UH/Navy which aired simultaneously against 3 other rivalry week games did better than UH/temple that year ...

Also show facts that all the top inter tier games in AAC history have UCF in it.. becuase last year someone made a chart of top inter AAC games and it was almost ALL houston..but that was before this season I'd love to see it updated with UCF this season..UCF/usf and UCF/Memphis are likely to only 2 to crack and being undefeated playing for a chnace at perfection likely played hugely into that not solely based on the UCF value..WMU quardabled its regularly ratings last year. That doesn't mean they are some major brand

'15-'17, four AAC vs AAC games over 3 million viewers. Five teams represented: Houston, Memphis, Navy, UCF, and USF.
Three more games over 2 million viewers. Add Temple and Cincinnati to the list of participants.
13 total games from '15 through '17 seasons over 1,000,000 viewers with ten of our twelve teams represented.

(01-21-2018 11:07 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  Ecu basketball


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We make everybody else, 'cept USF, look great.

Conference title in football. And the only AAC representative in every NCAA Tourney? There’s no question. It’s Cincinnati.

UCF has 3 out of 5 conference titles for football...

I think this is a trick question because, what exactly are we quantifying when we refer to "value"?

Is it the team that generates the most revenue in sports for the conference? Well then, is there some monetary threshold scale to create enough separation to rank the schools? Ex: Say school A brings in $100K - $400K more than next school B. Practically they're equivalent, but we gotta rank them, no? What is that threshold? $500K? $1M? $5M?

Or, is it the team that if we lost them in say, some conference expansion, the conference would take a serious hit in perceived strength in football? Or basketball? Or both? Well again, I'm not able to peg any school in the conference that is on that level where we're screwed if we lost that one team.

In fact, I don't think individually, we don't have ANY team that is "more valuable" than any other in this conference in any metric that I can think of. Reading through the comments, there's valid points for and against every team as to who is "most valuable", but that just leads to arguments about which of those points are more important, and on and on...

But now, I guess if you wanna talk about the inverse, which team is "least valuable", then we might have a better argument about who the front runners are.

As an outsider and answering the question that is for a singular answer, I would say Houston. Football value is above basketball and Houston has been the consistent winner. UCF needs to win 10+ games next couple years, then they would be in the discussion.

(01-22-2018 11:09 AM)payday Wrote:  Conference title in football. And the only AAC representative in every NCAA Tourney? There’s no question. It’s Cincinnati.

That and the scenic views in Clifton and beautiful weather. UC gets my vote as well.