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Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
I watched a few minutes of the UCF-South Florida game. South Florida has been playing poorly recently and I was surprised to see the Bulls leading. I think I caught the announcer stating that UCF learned that Tacko Fall would be out for the rest of the season an hour (?) or so before tipoff.

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1. Was USF just playing well and having an outstanding night?
2. Does Tacko Fall's injury mean so much to UCF's team that his injury will effectly end the Knights' season?
3. Was UCF's poor play due to the last minute notification about availability of Tacko Fall?

I am sorry UCF lost this player for the year. He is so tall. He has a great name. He is a distinctive player for the conference.

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Question about UCF and Tack Fall?
Well their tournament chances definitely don't get better with this loss


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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 09:07 AM)chess Wrote:  I watched a few minutes of the UCF-South Florida game. South Florida has been playing poorly recently and I was surprised to see the Bulls leading. I think I caught the announcer stating that UCF learned that Tacko Fall would be out for the rest of the season an hour (?) or so before tipoff.

So-

1. Was USF just playing well and having an outstanding night?
2. Does Tacko Fall's injury mean so much to UCF's team that his injury will effectly end the Knights' season?
3. Was UCF's poor play due to the last minute notification about availability of Tack Fall?

I am sorry UCF lost this player for the year. He is so tall. He has a great name. He is a distinctive player for the conference.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...er-injury/

Tacko Fall is more of a defensive loss, than offensive. Regardless, USF was "up" for the game but UCF's depth got them just over the hump.

It is no doubt such a large loss though that I can't see UCF getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. Heck, an NIT bid might be difficult too.

At this point, if you are a UCF fan like me, lets just find a way to get to 20 wins and try to sneak in to either the NIT -or- get a high seed for the CBI/CIT, get a few more home games, and try to come in for next year healthy.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
His shoulder injury will require surgery and end his season. We have several other players battling injuries. You think our S&C coach would have our players in better shape to prevent these types of injuries.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
That sucks, big loss.

Don't go and lose all hope though. UCF still has a good chance to play in the NIT and maybe even the NCAA's (stranger things have happened) as long as you don't drive off the cliff. I've seen enough to believe that UCF will still be a good defensive team even without Tacko and the offense seems to run smoother without him in the game too.

It is a bummer Tacko's done for the year and I was really looking forward to seeing him against WSU this week.
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UCF gets the AAC conference purple heart this year. There is no telling how far they might have progressed with Dawkins, Taylor and Fall all at full strength. It's a bummer for them.... but all three are Juniors so there is a chance we see it play out next season.
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(01-22-2018 09:57 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  UCF gets the AAC conference purple heart this year. There is no telling how far they might have progressed with Dawkins, Taylor and Fall all at full strength. It's a bummer for them.... but all three are Juniors so there is a chance we see it play out next season.

I assume Dawkins will be eligible for a medical redshirt so he could still be a Junior next year but I haven't heard anything about that.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 10:00 AM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:57 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  UCF gets the AAC conference purple heart this year. There is no telling how far they might have progressed with Dawkins, Taylor and Fall all at full strength. It's a bummer for them.... but all three are Juniors so there is a chance we see it play out next season.

I assume Dawkins will be eligible for a medical redshirt so he could still be a Junior next year but I haven't heard anything about that.


makes sense...I figure Dawkins is back....Does Tacko stay? Does BJ?

Tacko's injury probably hurts his NBA stock and helps his chances of return to school?

Does BJ have a shot at a grad transfer? I have no idea but I'm curious.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 10:15 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:00 AM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:57 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  UCF gets the AAC conference purple heart this year. There is no telling how far they might have progressed with Dawkins, Taylor and Fall all at full strength. It's a bummer for them.... but all three are Juniors so there is a chance we see it play out next season.

I assume Dawkins will be eligible for a medical redshirt so he could still be a Junior next year but I haven't heard anything about that.


makes sense...I figure Dawkins is back....Does Tacko stay? Does BJ?

Tacko's injury probably hurts his NBA stock and helps his chances of return to school?

Does BJ have a shot at a grad transfer? I have no idea but I'm curious.

If I were Tacko I'd leave. His draft stock isn't going to get any higher in my opinion.

There's gotta be a team willing to take a flyer on him in the late 2nd round of this year's draft.

If I were Taylor however, I'd stay. UCF should be good enough next year (regardless of where Tacko goes) that it should be in his best interest to finish his career there.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 10:15 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:00 AM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:57 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  UCF gets the AAC conference purple heart this year. There is no telling how far they might have progressed with Dawkins, Taylor and Fall all at full strength. It's a bummer for them.... but all three are Juniors so there is a chance we see it play out next season.

I assume Dawkins will be eligible for a medical redshirt so he could still be a Junior next year but I haven't heard anything about that.


makes sense...I figure Dawkins is back....Does Tacko stay? Does BJ?

Tacko's injury probably hurts his NBA stock and helps his chances of return to school?

Does BJ have a shot at a grad transfer? I have no idea but I'm curious.

BJ has another year of eligibility unless he wants a senior transfer. I don't think he would transfer being the starting point guard. Dawkins should come back too. Tacko without a complete year likely needs to wait for the NBA chance.
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Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
Also pretty sure AJ Davis sat out too.

Last I checked he was 5th in the nation in defensive win shares


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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
Tacko reminds me of Andre Washington. Sure, Tacko is like 4-5 inches taller... but Washington was a game changer on defense, with little on offense.
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(01-22-2018 01:22 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Also pretty sure AJ Davis sat out too.

Last I checked he was 5th in the nation in defensive win shares


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Yeah...AJ Davis was also out for the s. florida game...he was the team leading's rebounder and I think #2 scorer.

Yes, this was suppose to be "UCF's Year"...with Dawkins, Taylor, Fall, Davis et al...but losing Dawkins for the entire season...Taylor for over half the year and now Fall for the 2nd half of the season...and AJ missing games...it is what it is.

BJ is obviously rusty but it was classic BJ hitting that deep 3 near end of game and throwing some great assists when doubled team. No way does UCF win without him in that game.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 09:17 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:07 AM)chess Wrote:  I watched a few minutes of the UCF-South Florida game. South Florida has been playing poorly recently and I was surprised to see the Bulls leading. I think I caught the announcer stating that UCF learned that Tacko Fall would be out for the rest of the season an hour (?) or so before tipoff.

So-

1. Was USF just playing well and having an outstanding night?
2. Does Tacko Fall's injury mean so much to UCF's team that his injury will effectly end the Knights' season?
3. Was UCF's poor play due to the last minute notification about availability of Tack Fall?

I am sorry UCF lost this player for the year. He is so tall. He has a great name. He is a distinctive player for the conference.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...er-injury/

Tacko Fall is more of a defensive loss, than offensive. Regardless, USF was "up" for the game but UCF's depth got them just over the hump.

It is no doubt such a large loss though that I can't see UCF getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. Heck, an NIT bid might be difficult too.

At this point, if you are a UCF fan like me, lets just find a way to get to 20 wins and try to sneak in to either the NIT -or- get a high seed for the CBI/CIT, get a few more home games, and try to come in for next year healthy.


USF and USF are always 'up' when we play each other in EVERY sport. It's a real rivalry now...and exactly what I said would happen years ago. It makes for must watch TV for fans of both schools and attracts innocent bystanders as well.


In regards to the game, UCF had a MASH unit on the floor and it showed. That is why the game was close. USF's is in complete rebuilding mode but the young players led the way in Freshmen Brown and Collins. Those kids will be all conference by the time they are upperclassmen. Even though UCF may have some of their missing players back by the time they play a tougher opponent , it's likely going to be tough from here on out for the Knights. Your offense look lost without Fall and defense didn't fare much better without the 'big guy' in the middle.

It does give you guys a glimpse of life without Tacko...not many true difference makers on the floor that can take over games.

Q: is UCF just being cautious with his injury or really that bad? Read some conflicting things online about whose 'call' this was.
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Will hijack this one so we don't have to have multiple

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BREAKING: #SMU forward Jarrey Foster is out for the season with a knee injury, sources told @SMU247. Huge loss for Mustangs, who have won two straight.
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(01-22-2018 04:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Will hijack this one so we don't have to have multiple

@BillyEmbody

BREAKING: #SMU forward Jarrey Foster is out for the season with a knee injury, sources told @SMU247. Huge loss for Mustangs, who have won two straight.

Well ... crap ... Let's hope Shake can just have a bunch of @WSU like nights ...
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-22-2018 04:23 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:17 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:07 AM)chess Wrote:  I watched a few minutes of the UCF-South Florida game. South Florida has been playing poorly recently and I was surprised to see the Bulls leading. I think I caught the announcer stating that UCF learned that Tacko Fall would be out for the rest of the season an hour (?) or so before tipoff.

So-

1. Was USF just playing well and having an outstanding night?
2. Does Tacko Fall's injury mean so much to UCF's team that his injury will effectly end the Knights' season?
3. Was UCF's poor play due to the last minute notification about availability of Tack Fall?

I am sorry UCF lost this player for the year. He is so tall. He has a great name. He is a distinctive player for the conference.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...er-injury/

Tacko Fall is more of a defensive loss, than offensive. Regardless, USF was "up" for the game but UCF's depth got them just over the hump.

It is no doubt such a large loss though that I can't see UCF getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. Heck, an NIT bid might be difficult too.

At this point, if you are a UCF fan like me, lets just find a way to get to 20 wins and try to sneak in to either the NIT -or- get a high seed for the CBI/CIT, get a few more home games, and try to come in for next year healthy.


USF and USF are always 'up' when we play each other in EVERY sport. It's a real rivalry now...and exactly what I said would happen years ago. It makes for must watch TV for fans of both schools and attracts innocent bystanders as well.


In regards to the game, UCF had a MASH unit on the floor and it showed. That is why the game was close. USF's is in complete rebuilding mode but the young players led the way in Freshmen Brown and Collins. Those kids will be all conference by the time they are upperclassmen. Even though UCF may have some of their missing players back by the time they play a tougher opponent , it's likely going to be tough from here on out for the Knights. Your offense look lost without Fall and defense didn't fare much better without the 'big guy' in the middle.

It does give you guys a glimpse of life without Tacko...not many true difference makers on the floor that can take over games.

Q: is UCF just being cautious with his injury or really that bad? Read some conflicting things online about whose 'call' this was.

Tacko injured the shoulder back in September. He's been playing through the pain, but apparently it became too much so they decided to go ahead and fix it now.
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RE: Question about UCF and Tacko Fall?
(01-24-2018 02:25 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 04:23 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:17 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:07 AM)chess Wrote:  I watched a few minutes of the UCF-South Florida game. South Florida has been playing poorly recently and I was surprised to see the Bulls leading. I think I caught the announcer stating that UCF learned that Tacko Fall would be out for the rest of the season an hour (?) or so before tipoff.

So-

1. Was USF just playing well and having an outstanding night?
2. Does Tacko Fall's injury mean so much to UCF's team that his injury will effectly end the Knights' season?
3. Was UCF's poor play due to the last minute notification about availability of Tack Fall?

I am sorry UCF lost this player for the year. He is so tall. He has a great name. He is a distinctive player for the conference.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...er-injury/

Tacko Fall is more of a defensive loss, than offensive. Regardless, USF was "up" for the game but UCF's depth got them just over the hump.

It is no doubt such a large loss though that I can't see UCF getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament. Heck, an NIT bid might be difficult too.

At this point, if you are a UCF fan like me, lets just find a way to get to 20 wins and try to sneak in to either the NIT -or- get a high seed for the CBI/CIT, get a few more home games, and try to come in for next year healthy.


USF and USF are always 'up' when we play each other in EVERY sport. It's a real rivalry now...and exactly what I said would happen years ago. It makes for must watch TV for fans of both schools and attracts innocent bystanders as well.


In regards to the game, UCF had a MASH unit on the floor and it showed. That is why the game was close. USF's is in complete rebuilding mode but the young players led the way in Freshmen Brown and Collins. Those kids will be all conference by the time they are upperclassmen. Even though UCF may have some of their missing players back by the time they play a tougher opponent , it's likely going to be tough from here on out for the Knights. Your offense look lost without Fall and defense didn't fare much better without the 'big guy' in the middle.

It does give you guys a glimpse of life without Tacko...not many true difference makers on the floor that can take over games.

Q: is UCF just being cautious with his injury or really that bad? Read some conflicting things online about whose 'call' this was.

Tacko injured the shoulder back in September. He's been playing through the pain, but apparently it became too much so they decided to go ahead and fix it now.

That greatly explains his lack of offensive development this year. He has attempted very, very few jump hooks, etc... as opposed to last year (and he started to develop a nice little jump hook too).
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(01-24-2018 03:36 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  That greatly explains his lack of offensive development this year. He has attempted very, very few jump hooks, etc... as opposed to last year (and he started to develop a nice little jump hook too).

I don't really mean this the way it sounds, but its almost a relief to hear about his shoulder. He just hadn't looked the same as year. He just hadn't been very aggressive and didn't look improved over last season. At least a shoulder can be fixed. Now, what he does from here is the question.

If I had to guess, Tacko will do what he did last year and declare for the draft without hiring an agent in order to get access to NBA clubs and get their evaluations. However I don't know if he'll be fully healed in time to perform any workouts or not. IMO, he'll get similar evals as last year telling him he's not ready. He didn't expand his offense, and his injury likely effected the other aspects of his game. I just don't see an NBA club spending a draft pick on him at this point. Given that today's NBA isn't the "big man's" game it once was, I think Tacko would have to be freakishly good to get drafted. I suppose he could take a look at playing overseas if he really wants to play professionally. He's also an engineering major, so he may decide to pursue that if he feels basketball isn't where his future lies. Selfishly I'd like to see him return of course. His mere presence changes the entire complexion of the game. Plus he's just plain fun to watch.

Without Tacko, I think we'll still be a solid defensive team, but there's no question its going to be a lot tougher. Our biggest problem still lies with our offense. We're just not getting enough much needed scoring from some guys that were expected to be bigger contributors. Thank goodness for BJ Taylor's return or we would really be up the creek. Even with BJT, I think we'll be fortunate to finish above .500 in league play. We still have two games with the Shockers, road games at Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa (we never play well at the latter two), and Temple along with tough home tilts against Houston & SMU (and Tulane is no pushover, either). There are no gimmies in this league anymore.
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Hate to see all these injuries to star players this year in the AAC. I wanted 4-5 bids for our conference. UConn game will tell SMU much, but they did win at WSU and against Tulane without Jarrey, so I guess there's hope we can close out and get a bid to the dance. UCF's hopes are probably dashed.
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