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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 01:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Step up from bad to mediocre?
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With Petrino's offenses being routinely ranked in the top 10, if not top 5, all you NEED is a mediocre defense to contend.

I guarantee this is the thinking from Petrino on this hire. This has never "gotten him over the hump", but it has put him close in the past. He's never stayed at one place long enough to see if, once he is close, he can get over the hump. Time will tell if this thinking is justified.

At this late stage, I'm ok with this hire. It's not like we were going to poach a high quality DC at another program. This guy has been at a pretty high level of football .... we'll see what he can do.

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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 01:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Step up from bad to mediocre?
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With Petrino's offenses being routinely ranked in the top 10, if not top 5, all you NEED is a mediocre defense to contend.

I guarantee this is the thinking from Petrino on this hire. This has never "gotten him over the hump", but it has put him close in the past. He's never stayed at one place long enough to see if, once he is close, he can get over the hump. Time will tell if this thinking is justified.

At this late stage, I'm ok with this hire. It's not like we were going to poach a high quality DC at another program. This guy has been at a pretty high level of football .... we'll see what he can do.

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Yeah ... sometimes ...

But the NFL has had it's fair share of high powered offenses just crushing the best defenses of their time ...

St. Louis Rams greatest show on turf ...
Washington Redskins super bowls were all with better offenses ...

Honestly, you need a balance of both. You have to have one side of the football to be outstanding. The other side needs to be serviceable.
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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 02:05 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Step up from bad to mediocre?
07-coffee3


With Petrino's offenses being routinely ranked in the top 10, if not top 5, all you NEED is a mediocre defense to contend.

I guarantee this is the thinking from Petrino on this hire. This has never "gotten him over the hump", but it has put him close in the past. He's never stayed at one place long enough to see if, once he is close, he can get over the hump. Time will tell if this thinking is justified.

At this late stage, I'm ok with this hire. It's not like we were going to poach a high quality DC at another program. This guy has been at a pretty high level of football .... we'll see what he can do.

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Yeah ... sometimes ...

But the NFL has had it's fair share of high powered offenses just crushing the best defenses of their time ...

St. Louis Rams greatest show on turf ...
Washington Redskins super bowls were all with better offenses ...

Honestly, you need a balance of both. You have to have one side of the football to be outstanding. The other side needs to be serviceable.

But consider if you can't scored or you are held to a very low point total, a mediocre offensive team will still win. A team with a strong run game and can generate long time eating drives and good defense usually wins. 07-coffee3
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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 03:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 02:05 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Step up from bad to mediocre?
07-coffee3


With Petrino's offenses being routinely ranked in the top 10, if not top 5, all you NEED is a mediocre defense to contend.

I guarantee this is the thinking from Petrino on this hire. This has never "gotten him over the hump", but it has put him close in the past. He's never stayed at one place long enough to see if, once he is close, he can get over the hump. Time will tell if this thinking is justified.

At this late stage, I'm ok with this hire. It's not like we were going to poach a high quality DC at another program. This guy has been at a pretty high level of football .... we'll see what he can do.

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Yeah ... sometimes ...

But the NFL has had it's fair share of high powered offenses just crushing the best defenses of their time ...

St. Louis Rams greatest show on turf ...
Washington Redskins super bowls were all with better offenses ...

Honestly, you need a balance of both. You have to have one side of the football to be outstanding. The other side needs to be serviceable.

But consider if you can't scored or you are held to a very low point total, a mediocre offensive team will still win. A team with a strong run game and can generate long time eating drives and good defense usually wins. 07-coffee3

The problem you have is you just hired a DC that hasn't put a good defense on the field in college football since he left Georgia in 2004. It's not a talent issue either since he had far more talent available to him at Auburn and Notre Dame than he's got available at Louisville.
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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 03:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 02:05 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:49 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 01:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  With Petrino's offenses being routinely ranked in the top 10, if not top 5, all you NEED is a mediocre defense to contend.

I guarantee this is the thinking from Petrino on this hire. This has never "gotten him over the hump", but it has put him close in the past. He's never stayed at one place long enough to see if, once he is close, he can get over the hump. Time will tell if this thinking is justified.

At this late stage, I'm ok with this hire. It's not like we were going to poach a high quality DC at another program. This guy has been at a pretty high level of football .... we'll see what he can do.

[Image: quote-offense-sells-tickets-but-defense-...-84-38.jpg]
07-coffee3



Yeah ... sometimes ...

But the NFL has had it's fair share of high powered offenses just crushing the best defenses of their time ...

St. Louis Rams greatest show on turf ...
Washington Redskins super bowls were all with better offenses ...

Honestly, you need a balance of both. You have to have one side of the football to be outstanding. The other side needs to be serviceable.

But consider if you can't scored or you are held to a very low point total, a mediocre offensive team will still win. A team with a strong run game and can generate long time eating drives and good defense usually wins. 07-coffee3

The problem you have is you just hired a DC that hasn't put a good defense on the field in college football since he left Georgia in 2004. It's not a talent issue either since he had far more talent available to him at Auburn and Notre Dame than he's got available at Louisville.

You are preaching to the choir here, I know he is not to great. 07-coffee3
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OK ... then who can you hire, at this time of year, who is realistic?

It's not a long list.

We were gifted the chance to hire somebody else when Sirmon bolted for a lesser job on the west coast .. Not only did he save us a buy out, it COST Sirmon $75K to do this.

This guy has experience. And is thought of highly enough to always wind up at programs with far greater tradition than we have at U of L ...

I'll see what he can do. It HAS to be better than Sirmon.

And I KNOW Petrino will have a very good to great offense each and every year.

We'll see ...
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(01-29-2018 08:44 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  OK ... then who can you hire, at this time of year, who is realistic?

Honestly I would have promoted Whammy. He gets a ton of blame he doesn't deserve for the way the coots fell but when your head coach only pays lip service to recruiting you don't tend to attract the kind of athletes you need to compete in the NFL

or made an offer to Scott Shafer. Surely Louisville can out-pay MTSU and for all his faults as a HC he's a solid DC.

or take a chance on a couple up and comers like Newberry at Kennesaw State or Cooper at Austin Peay.

Any of the above would have been better than Van Gorder considering none of today's recruits can recall a time when he fielded a decent defense and all put out a much better effort at recruiting.
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As an ND fan, all I can say after watching the Van Gorder 2016 debacle is....lotsa luck.

He was horrible at ND. The 2017 defense was much, much better after he was fired.
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Louisville hires new DC
(01-29-2018 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 08:44 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  OK ... then who can you hire, at this time of year, who is realistic?

Honestly I would have promoted Whammy. He gets a ton of blame he doesn't deserve for the way the coots fell but when your head coach only pays lip service to recruiting you don't tend to attract the kind of athletes you need to compete in the NFL

or made an offer to Scott Shafer. Surely Louisville can out-pay MTSU and for all his faults as a HC he's a solid DC.

or take a chance on a couple up and comers like Newberry at Kennesaw State or Cooper at Austin Peay.

Any of the above would have been better than Van Gorder considering none of today's recruits can recall a time when he fielded a decent defense and all put out a much better effort at recruiting.


I was thinking Vic Koenning, defensive coordinator, Troy. He put together a top 25 defense there last season & has ACC experience.

Since you mentioned recruiting, Cort Dennison our LB coach was our top recruiter & is the biggest loss on this staff. Bringing in a high level recruiter maybe even more important than bringing in a high level DC.


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RE: Louisville hires new DC
(01-30-2018 05:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 08:44 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  OK ... then who can you hire, at this time of year, who is realistic?

Honestly I would have promoted Whammy. He gets a ton of blame he doesn't deserve for the way the coots fell but when your head coach only pays lip service to recruiting you don't tend to attract the kind of athletes you need to compete in the NFL

or made an offer to Scott Shafer. Surely Louisville can out-pay MTSU and for all his faults as a HC he's a solid DC.

or take a chance on a couple up and comers like Newberry at Kennesaw State or Cooper at Austin Peay.

Any of the above would have been better than Van Gorder considering none of today's recruits can recall a time when he fielded a decent defense and all put out a much better effort at recruiting.


I was thinking Vic Koenning, defensive coordinator, Troy. He put together a top 25 defense there last season & has ACC experience.

Since you mentioned recruiting, Cort Dennison our LB coach was our top recruiter & is the biggest loss on this staff. Bringing in a high level recruiter maybe even more important than bringing in a high level DC.


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Vic Koenning's defenses at Carolina were beyond terrible.
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