If we joined the A10, I think we would stay 1AA in football for the long haul. I can't see paying another exit fee if we left the A10 for a 1A all sports football conference.

(02-01-2018 06:39 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  would not be surprised if we were approached by the A10.

I am sure Mason, Richmond & VCU would love to be reunited with the Dukes: and we are another bus able school for GW & Davidson St. Joes and Duquesne (Dukes vs. Dukes)

sure, hoops is in a tough way right now, but you need to look LT

Agree. Long-term this is much better for the Athletic Department overall than the CAA if this were to be an option. Given JMU's past on discussions on the football topic, I don't think JMU would go to SunBelt, MAC, or CUSA for any number of reasons, just my gut. But I think this would potentially position JMU much better for an all-sports approach if for some reason the American Conference ever became interested.

(01-31-2018 11:03 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I see Hofstra or Northeastern as a better add for the A10. UNCW doesn’t bring a decent market to the A10. Not sure they bring anything really.

I'm a Hofstra fan, and I don't want to go to the Atlantic 10. I'd rather play the other northern CAA teams than anybody in the Atlantic 10. I don't like conferences having more than 10 teams so you can't play everybody twice. I would hate for Hofstra to be in a 14 team conference. I wouldn't like the travel in the Atlantic 10 either. Maybe if Hofstra went to two NCAA Tournaments and an NIT or two in the next five seasons I would change my mind.

(01-31-2018 06:11 PM)J.B. Wrote:  LaSalle joining the A-10 back in the 90's was a huge mistake. They had that one lightning in a bottle year when they went to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of transfers, but other than that it's been a disaster for them. They play in an old, ugly, renovated gym that makes the DAC look gorgeous. And when you're the least popular of 3 teams from the same city in the same conference, it's really tough to recruit. That school basically dominated the MAAC as a mid-major in the early 90's. They moved to a slightly better Midwest Conference in the mid-90's, which turned out to be a failure of a conference. Then they were stuck and their Big Five buddies got them into the A10, but it hasn't worked out for them either. They probably should have moved to the CAA in the first place, before Drexel joined.

Fordham should follow Lasalle out if they go. Go to the Patriot league for all sports. They are non competitive in the A-10.

(02-08-2018 05:33 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 06:11 PM)J.B. Wrote:  LaSalle joining the A-10 back in the 90's was a huge mistake. They had that one lightning in a bottle year when they went to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of transfers, but other than that it's been a disaster for them. They play in an old, ugly, renovated gym that makes the DAC look gorgeous. And when you're the least popular of 3 teams from the same city in the same conference, it's really tough to recruit. That school basically dominated the MAAC as a mid-major in the early 90's. They moved to a slightly better Midwest Conference in the mid-90's, which turned out to be a failure of a conference. Then they were stuck and their Big Five buddies got them into the A10, but it hasn't worked out for them either. They probably should have moved to the CAA in the first place, before Drexel joined.

Fordham should follow Lasalle out if they go. Go to the Patriot league for all sports. They are non competitive in the A-10.

Agree about Fordham. They had a shot to be competitive for a few years with Eric Paschall, but then he transferred to Villanova.

Re: LaSalle The night DukeDawg made this post, all boosters received an email confirming that the study was being conducted. So this is more than just a rumor.

(02-08-2018 10:06 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 05:33 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-31-2018 06:11 PM)J.B. Wrote:  LaSalle joining the A-10 back in the 90's was a huge mistake. They had that one lightning in a bottle year when they went to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of transfers, but other than that it's been a disaster for them. They play in an old, ugly, renovated gym that makes the DAC look gorgeous. And when you're the least popular of 3 teams from the same city in the same conference, it's really tough to recruit. That school basically dominated the MAAC as a mid-major in the early 90's. They moved to a slightly better Midwest Conference in the mid-90's, which turned out to be a failure of a conference. Then they were stuck and their Big Five buddies got them into the A10, but it hasn't worked out for them either. They probably should have moved to the CAA in the first place, before Drexel joined.

Fordham should follow Lasalle out if they go. Go to the Patriot league for all sports. They are non competitive in the A-10.

Agree about Fordham. They had a shot to be competitive for a few years with Eric Paschall, but then he transferred to Villanova.

Re: LaSalle The night DukeDawg made this post, all boosters received an email confirming that the study was being conducted. So this is more than just a rumor.

St. Louis also seems completely out of place geographically in the A10+4 (soon to be -1?).

The A10 is not what it use to be. With 14 schools, the path to the NCCA tournament has gotten tougher as it has become a one bid league this year. Should it remain a one bid league, Dayton and St. Louis should consider the MVC, Fordham the Patriot and LaSalle the MAAC. A 10 team league just makes sense.

If a study is being done for a move back, you can believe it is very likely it will happen.

St Louis and Dayton have been mentioned for the Big east in the past.

i can't see them going to the MVC until/unless that door ever closes.

with only 10 teams, there is always room for the BE to add two.

With TV money drying up, travel for those two will become a problem. If the BE happens for them, problem solved; otherwise, they need a different solution then the A10.

(02-08-2018 10:18 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  With TV money drying up, travel for those two will become a problem. If the BE happens for them, problem solved; otherwise, they need a different solution then the A10.

I hadn't heard TV money for MBB was drying up? I thought that was specific to G5 football.

(02-08-2018 03:34 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:18 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  With TV money drying up, travel for those two will become a problem. If the BE happens for them, problem solved; otherwise, they need a different solution then the A10.

I hadn't heard TV money for MBB was drying up? I thought that was specific to G5 football.

Looks like the A10+4's contract runs through the '20-'21 season... http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pretz...d-CBS.html

Will be interesting to see how things turn out when they go back to the table in the coming years.

(02-08-2018 03:34 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:18 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  With TV money drying up, travel for those two will become a problem. If the BE happens for them, problem solved; otherwise, they need a different solution then the A10.

I hadn't heard TV money for MBB was drying up? I thought that was specific to G5 football.

CAA lost their TV deal this year. The A10 is likely losing theirs in the near future. It’s all about the P5 going forward.

(02-08-2018 11:42 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:34 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:18 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  With TV money drying up, travel for those two will become a problem. If the BE happens for them, problem solved; otherwise, they need a different solution then the A10.

I hadn't heard TV money for MBB was drying up? I thought that was specific to G5 football.

CAA lost their TV deal this year. The A10 is likely losing theirs in the near future. It’s all about the P5 going forward.

I didn't know the CAA ever made money off a MBB TV deal. So what kind of cash is JMU now missing out on that we once received?

A10 makes money on theirs. That is what is relevant in my post.

Also, how NCCA tourney money is distributed is relevant. I believe the teams that make the tourney receive a much larger share than the ones that don’t. Couple that with the loss of CBS Sports TV money and that could be the reason some teams might leave to re-joinold conferences or ones that make more sense regionally.

You guys are taking my posts as fact. I am simply stating that perhaps this is why teams would leave or maybe should consider leaving. It’s all for conversation.

(02-09-2018 12:51 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Also, how NCCA is distributed is relevant. I believe the teams that make the tourney receive a much larger share than the ones that don’t. Couple that with the loss of CBS Sports TV money and that could be the reason some teams might leave to re-joinold conferences or ones that make more sense regionally.

You guys are taking my posts as fact. I am simply stating that perhaps this is why teams would leave or maybe should consider leaving. It’s all for conversation.

"With TV money drying up", sounds an awful lot like you are stating a fact. I'm with you now, just took me a moment to get there.

(02-08-2018 10:13 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  The A10 is not what it use to be. With 14 schools, the path to the NCCA tournament has gotten tougher as it has become a one bid league this year. Should it remain a one bid league, Dayton and St. Louis should consider the MVC, Fordham the Patriot and LaSalle the MAAC. A 10 team league just makes sense.

If a study is being done for a move back, you can believe it is very likely it will happen.

Geographically, Dayton would fit better in the MAC than the MVC. The big difference is that the MAC is FBS. I don't know what their Football attendance is, but they play in the Pioneer League, which goes from New York to San Diego. The MAC would reduce their Football travel.

(02-10-2018 10:01 AM)EvanJ Wrote:  Geographically, Dayton would fit better in the MAC than the MVC. The big difference is that the MAC is FBS. I don't know what their Football attendance is, but they play in the Pioneer League, which goes from New York to San Diego. The MAC would reduce their Football travel.

I believe the Pioneer League has no scholarships for football. A move to the MAC and funding 85 scholarships at the D1A level in FB would require a significantly different financial structure for them.

Dayton is more of a fit for the Big East if they ever expand. They would work best paired with UConn so that the Big East could then have an East and West division. Unfortunately the Dayton hoops program took a big hit when Archie Miller left and UConn's program has been down the last few years as well while the Big East has flourished with Nova Xavier Butler and the reemergence of programs like Seton Hall and Providence- maybe even St Johns... Not sure if the Big East is anxious to expand at this point.

(02-11-2018 07:30 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Not sure if the Big East is anxious to expand at this point.

Yep. I think the BE would be foolish to expand. 10 is a good number. The Big 12-2 actually has the best number among the P5's. The BE can play a nice round-robin 18-game conference schedule. Adding 2 more schools also means 2 more cuts to their NCAAT kitty money they earn each year. MBB is the money-maker at these schools (just like in the A10+4) and dividing the conference money 12 ways instead of 10 is a big deal. Divisions don't make any sense in basketball. Hopefully, one day college football will realize they are kinda goofy too.