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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
I see it working just like this---G5 stars to the P5, while lazy overated 4-star/3-star busts buried on the depth chart slide to the G5. The top G5 teams stay competitive by finding enough high school 2/3-star late bloomers that end up developing into kids that can start for P5's. They wont be competitive if they lose those guys and replace them with 4th string cast offs from the P5.


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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(02-09-2018 12:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I see it working just like this---G5 stars to the P5, while lazy overated 4-star/3-star busts buried on the depth chart slide to the G5.

You're underrating a lot of the players who are on the benches at the best programs. There are dozens of players who almost never play who could start for two-thirds of the teams in FBS.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
People who support this seem to forget that the athletes are "students" first.

There is nothing, zero, nada, zip in the current rules against student-athletes transferring and taking classes at another school. They can get their scholarship. They can even practice sports. They just have to wait a year to represent the school in an amateur sports contest.

I have no problem with the current restriction.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
Another thing - as an economics professor who studies incentives all day - trust me, this proposal will unleash hell. Lower-tier schools will never be able to sustain success.

How would Dan Hawkins have gone 12-1 at Boise in 2002 without a senior Quarterback (who surely would have had offers after Koetter left in 2000)?

How would Cincinnati have gone to the Orange Bowl in 2008 and Sugar Bowl in 2009 if our young core had been raided when Dantonio left in 2006?
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(02-09-2018 12:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I see it working just like this---G5 stars to the P5, while lazy overated 4-star/3-star busts buried on the depth chart slide to the G5. The top G5 teams stay competitive by finding enough high school 2/3-star late bloomers that end up developing into kids that can start for P5's. They wont be competitive if they lose those guys and replace them with 4th string cast offs from the P5.


https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...gan-auburn
Except his old school has to either:
1. Go on probation with a bowl ban
2. Lose their head coach.
-OR-
The player has to complete a bachelor's degree

Sorry just not anticipating a vast amount of movement.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(02-09-2018 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 12:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I see it working just like this---G5 stars to the P5, while lazy overated 4-star/3-star busts buried on the depth chart slide to the G5. The top G5 teams stay competitive by finding enough high school 2/3-star late bloomers that end up developing into kids that can start for P5's. They wont be competitive if they lose those guys and replace them with 4th string cast offs from the P5.


https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...gan-auburn
Except his old school has to either:
1. Go on probation with a bowl ban
2. Lose their head coach.
-OR-
The player has to complete a bachelor's degree

Sorry just not anticipating a vast amount of movement.

It’s not so much that there will be tons of player movement. It’s that any G5 school that experiences a modicum of success will not only lose their successful head coach but most of their best players with no way to quickly offset the losses. With that double whammy combo, losing your coach is going to be a mini-death penalty. Like the death penalty—this a bad rule with good intentions.

The P5 runs the NCAA. What are the chances they would pass a rule that might hurt the P5 and be helpful to the G5?
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
This rule change is probably needed at the P5 level, but you guys have made some good points about how devastating it could be at the G5 level. Perhaps what is needed is an exemption for G5 schools which lose their head coach - but still allow immediate movement for grad students, Bowl bans, or if the primary recruiter leaves? It's tough to balance everything, but stacking it all in favor of the school is not fair to the students.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(02-09-2018 03:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Another thing - as an economics professor who studies incentives all day - trust me, this proposal will unleash hell. Lower-tier schools will never be able to sustain success.

How would Dan Hawkins have gone 12-1 at Boise in 2002 without a senior Quarterback (who surely would have had offers after Koetter left in 2000)?

How would Cincinnati have gone to the Orange Bowl in 2008 and Sugar Bowl in 2009 if our young core had been raided when Dantonio left in 2006?

Isn't that a symptom of a greater issue, though? The constant in these hypotheticals seem to be coaching flow, not necessarily the student athlete. Upwardly mobile coach takes kids with him, new regime strips old kids, and provisos abound given specific instances.

We can say "oh, poor you" to the programs were a good coach to leave and he to strip the roster. Nobody seems to give a **** when kids get chucked out or compelled to transfer from programs for WHATEVER reason, and, really, it's the latter that is grounded in reality, not hypothetical.

I don't think the measure, were it go through, should just create this revolving-door, but, yikes...transfers typically happen for a lot of reasons, and many of them are because kids get pushed out of places for whatever reason...so, let's fix that part of it, you know? If a coach recruits you, then decides he doesn't want you, why do you assume the risk of having to sit out a year if you stay D1A or else transfer down a level? Nobody sees how that can be manipulated, and probably is and has been for some time?

And, of course...maybe we should have more ground rules with coaching and contract structures. Make it less about money and buy-outs as a challenge to mobility (which it isn't).
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
If you wish to be fair to both schools n players, If school fires a coach, players can leave no sit out time. If a coach is taken by another school, ie the coach leaves, the players stay.
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RE: Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
(02-11-2018 08:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If you wish to be fair to both schools n players, If school fires a coach, players can leave no sit out time. If a coach is taken by another school, ie the coach leaves, the players stay.

Unrealistic, IMO. Kids today sign up to play for a coach, not a school (well, in many cases at least). If the coach leaves, I don't think it's fair to bind the players more than the coaches... but maybe the solution is to require coaches to sit one year as well - unless released by the school. Call it a one year show clause for failure to honor a contract (or whatever legal terms are required). That way players and coaches have the same amount of skin in the game...
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