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RE: Interesting Info on Southwest Conference
WAC had the right idea,
promblem was, WAC wanted to set pernament div
niether div wanted to give up BYU
BYU wasn't happy on either div
west cut them out range schools, east cut them off Cal schools
nobody wanted to be cut off from SDST
nobody wanted to go to Haw
02-06-2018 06:34 PM
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(02-06-2018 06:16 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BW schools wre still out there, [UNLV, Nev, UtahSt, NMST]
Boise moved up that yr
UCF & UAB also moved up

at the time BW was trying to be Cal BB only
No Tex & Idaho were also out there

Arkansas State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech and Northern Illinois were in the Big West for the 1993, 1994, and 1995 seasons. A-State went back in for 1999 and 2000.
02-06-2018 06:36 PM
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RE: Interesting Info on Southwest Conference
i saw that, they were already mentioned
02-06-2018 06:41 PM
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Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU

UTEP
New Mexico

Tulane
So Miss

Does it survive to today? Probably not.

Add Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, and ??? to get to 12.
Then does it survive? Maybe, but probably not.
02-06-2018 06:50 PM
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If the SWC 4 wanted to stick together something like this could have worked.

TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston, Memphis, Tulane

Louisville, Cincy, Dayton, St. Louis, DePaul, Marquette
02-06-2018 08:20 PM
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RE: Interesting Info on Southwest Conference
(02-06-2018 06:34 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  WAC had the right idea,
promblem was, WAC wanted to set pernament div
niether div wanted to give up BYU
BYU wasn't happy on either div
west cut them out range schools, east cut them off Cal schools
nobody wanted to be cut off from SDST
nobody wanted to go to Haw

WOW! Actually this ^ isn’t it.....at all. Totally fabricated revisionist history.
When the permanent divisions were going to be publicly announced in 1998, Air Force was to be put in with BYU, Utah, SDSU, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno & Hawaii.
The other side was to be Wyoming & Colorado St with The SWC 3, Tulsa, UNM and UTEP.
-Air Force threw a fit. To salvage things, both New Mexico and UTEP offered to swap spots with Air Force to appease them.
-Air Force organized the Denver airport meeting with Wyoming, Colorado St, BYU & Utah. Those 5 invited UNM, SDSU & UNM to form the MWC. This was June, 1998.
-there were no issues with anyone being “unhappy with being cut off from San Diego St.”
-there was no one saying they didn’t want to play at Hawaii.
-BYU wasn’t “unhappy with either division”
02-06-2018 10:31 PM
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RE: Interesting Info on Southwest Conference
I think the schools that merged to form C-USA probably made the right call by not including Tulsa, SMU, TCU, and Rice in 1995. There mission was primarily basketball and a life support football conference was a bi-product that came by necessity. The WAC 16 looked like the better football league for the SWC schools at the time anyway.

When the WAC 16 broke up the need for a football focus was far more evident. That's how TCU landed in C-USA for a hot minute on their road to yet a better football conference in the MWC.

By the time Rice, Tulsa, and SMU joined C-USA in 2005 football was the undisputed king, hence C-USA's abandonment of the hybrid model.
02-06-2018 10:37 PM
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(02-06-2018 10:31 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 06:34 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  WAC had the right idea,
promblem was, WAC wanted to set pernament div
niether div wanted to give up BYU
BYU wasn't happy on either div
west cut them out range schools, east cut them off Cal schools
nobody wanted to be cut off from SDST
nobody wanted to go to Haw

WOW! Actually this ^ isn’t it.....at all. Totally fabricated revisionist history.
When the permanent divisions were going to be publicly announced in 1998, Air Force was to be put in with BYU, Utah, SDSU, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno & Hawaii.
The other side was to be Wyoming & Colorado St with The SWC 3, Tulsa, UNM and UTEP.
-Air Force threw a fit. To salvage things, both New Mexico and UTEP offered to swap spots with Air Force to appease them.
-Air Force organized the Denver airport meeting with Wyoming, Colorado St, BYU & Utah. Those 5 invited UNM, SDSU & UNM to form the MWC. This was June, 1998.
-there were no issues with anyone being “unhappy with being cut off from San Diego St.”
-there was no one saying they didn’t want to play at Hawaii.
-BYU wasn’t “unhappy with either division”

This is hindsight talking, but I wonder if they had added, say, Nevada instead of Tulsa, would the 16-team WAC have survived?

Pod 1: Rice, SMU, TCU, UTEP
Pod 2: Air Force, CSU, UNM, Wyoming
Pod 3: BYU, Nevada, UNLV, Utah
Pod 4: Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU

The pod system works well, and if they instead wanted permanent divisions, you've got a nice split between East (1 & 2) and West (3 & 4).
02-06-2018 10:56 PM
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(02-06-2018 10:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think the schools that merged to form C-USA probably made the right call by not including Tulsa, SMU, TCU, and Rice in 1995. There mission was primarily basketball and a life support football conference was a bi-product that came by necessity. The WAC 16 looked like the better football league for the SWC schools at the time anyway.

When the WAC 16 broke up the need for a football focus was far more evident. That's how TCU landed in C-USA for a hot minute on their road to yet a better football conference in the MWC.

By the time Rice, Tulsa, and SMU joined C-USA in 2005 football was the undisputed king, hence C-USA's abandonment of the hybrid model.

CUSA didn’t not include Rice, SMU, Tulsa and TCU at all. Those 4 jumped at the chance to join the WAC. CUSA didn’t have any say in it at all.
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The WAC-16 was destined to fail. It broke up too many rivalries, was spread across too many time zones (Hawai'i alone was a pain) and had way too much deadweight. They tried to go the big TV market route but added too many teams that were worthless in their home markets or any market for that matter. So what if you had San Francisco, Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston, the teams there didn't have enough pull.
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