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RE: ESPN Game DAY same B.S.
Is called protecting and promoting your investments. Why would ESPN want to give any air time to a product/service they have ZERO investment in? Why would they want to give any credence to their competition? Once CUSA gave ESPN the middle finger that essentially turned us into a brand/service competitor (a very meaningless one at that). If you don't have a deal with ESPN then you do not exist because ESPN/Disney dominate world-wide sports media. We ostracized ourselves when we left ESPN.
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RE: ESPN Game DAY same B.S.
(02-03-2018 01:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:40 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:09 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Called protecting your investment. ESPN has billions of dollars tied up in P5 conferences and they have a bag of peanuts and a 12oz double cola invested in CUSA

ESPN is the worse thing to happen to college sports for those of us that started watching before they existed

Thanks to ESPN, there are many, many, MANY more basketball games to be seen these days than there ever were prior to the network existing. Think about ESPU, ESPN2, ESPN3, etc. And if ESPN hadn't come along and tied up their money in P5 conferences, ABC, CBS, NBC, or someone else would've. So I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. The more networks there are carrying sports, the better chance the less notable schools have of their games being aired at least somewhere.


You are looking at it as a fan sitting on the couch not what was best for the sport. Sports are better if viewed in person and the number of games shown has lowered that amount for the teams that espn refuses to show.

If you asked 100 basketball fans that just started watching the game of basketball since 1980 to list the better basketball programs historically. Western would be ranked at the bottom. When in fact historically Western would be top 2. ESPN made those other schools what they are today. Use any metric you want and I can make that case. Now if we are just talking 1990 up...no

Western
Kansas State
Texas Christian
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
Clemson
Miami (FL)
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Florida State

Number two nationwide because of your success all those years in the Ohio Valley Conference? Surely you're joking. Look, I think you guys have had a terrific basketball program for many years, certainly much better than our program has been since our inception in the early 80's, but Ohio Valley is Ohio Valley.

I listed a bunch of schools espn made when we are talking basketball. Where did I say nationally? As far as the OVC the conference had a couple teams ranked, a few years pre-1980. Hell as Middle fans the OVC from the 40s through the 70s would make todays CUSA their b*tch. Below are a couple snapshots of Western's history. Those years where Western did not go to the NCAA tourney early on...the NIT was the national tourney.

Yeah, but even playing in that little OVC Western was a NATIONAL program. Hell Western was paid top dollar (back then) to be one of the schools to make the trip to NY and play a tourney in the Garden. Yearly. I believe it was 3 other teams from the north.

The OVC started falling off in the very late 70s because of probation conference wide. Today the charges would be a slap on the wrist...with a lost of 1 scholarship or something like that. Not post season ban. The SBC was so strong in the 80s it took Western 3 years to be competitive. But then again...SBC was espn's baby and had national games of the week.


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LOL, well if you didn't mean nationally, then what exactly did you mean then when you said, "If you asked 100 basketball fans that just started watching the game of basketball since 1980 to list the better basketball programs historically. Western would be ranked at the bottom. When in fact historically Western would be top 2." Did you perhaps mean top 2 in the Ohio Valley?

Look, it's cool that you guys were so great in the OVC and the Sun Belt and that those conferences were better a half century ago than they are today. But this discussion is really getting kinda silly because again, if ESPN hadn't come along and tied up their money in P5 conferences, ABC, CBS, NBC, or someone else would have.

This is just as I described in my first reply, which is to say that it's crying over spilled milk, because what you're whining about would've inevitably happened with or without ESPN. They're just not the evil overlord you're making them out to be. In the end, Franko is probably right in saying it's somewhere between our views, but all this basically amounts to complaining about the other guys at the dance getting more attention from the ladies than you did. Sorry, it happens.
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RE: ESPN Game DAY same B.S.
(02-03-2018 01:40 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:09 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Called protecting your investment. ESPN has billions of dollars tied up in P5 conferences and they have a bag of peanuts and a 12oz double cola invested in CUSA

ESPN is the worse thing to happen to college sports for those of us that started watching before they existed

Thanks to ESPN, there are many, many, MANY more basketball games to be seen these days than there ever were prior to the network existing. Think about ESPU, ESPN2, ESPN3, etc. And if ESPN hadn't come along and tied up their money in P5 conferences, ABC, CBS, NBC, or someone else would've. So I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. The more networks there are carrying sports, the better chance the less notable schools have of their games being aired at least somewhere.


You are looking at it as a fan sitting on the couch not what was best for the sport. Sports are better if viewed in person and the number of games shown has lowered that amount for the teams that espn refuses to show.

If you asked 100 basketball fans that just started watching the game of basketball since 1980 to list the better basketball programs historically. Western would be ranked at the bottom. When in fact historically Western would be top 2. ESPN made those other schools what they are today. Use any metric you want and I can make that case. Now if we are just talking 1990 up...no

Western
Kansas State
Texas Christian
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
Clemson
Miami (FL)
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Florida State

Number two nationwide because of your success all those years in the Ohio Valley Conference? Surely you're joking. Look, I think you guys have had a terrific basketball program for many years, certainly much better than our program has been since our inception in the early 80's, but Ohio Valley is Ohio Valley.

Well you just proved his point.

Look at what’s happened to baseball over the last decade. P5 schools started throwing tons of money he at it after sucking forever.

That’s what happened to basketball in the early 80s.
Example: the SEC
Until about 1988 it was Kentucky and 9 bums. (Actually, with the probation, Kentucky had become a bum too.)
Other than a couple of spurts here and there by other teams (Maravich, Ernie and Bernie, the F Troop), SEC hoops was ****.

The ACC and the Big 10 have always been great. Then the Big East came along. But most of those schools on that list would have been playing for scraps in the old OVC and early Sun Belt.
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RE: ESPN Game DAY same B.S.
(02-03-2018 02:34 PM)theboro Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:40 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:09 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 01:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Called protecting your investment. ESPN has billions of dollars tied up in P5 conferences and they have a bag of peanuts and a 12oz double cola invested in CUSA

ESPN is the worse thing to happen to college sports for those of us that started watching before they existed

Thanks to ESPN, there are many, many, MANY more basketball games to be seen these days than there ever were prior to the network existing. Think about ESPU, ESPN2, ESPN3, etc. And if ESPN hadn't come along and tied up their money in P5 conferences, ABC, CBS, NBC, or someone else would've. So I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. The more networks there are carrying sports, the better chance the less notable schools have of their games being aired at least somewhere.


You are looking at it as a fan sitting on the couch not what was best for the sport. Sports are better if viewed in person and the number of games shown has lowered that amount for the teams that espn refuses to show.

If you asked 100 basketball fans that just started watching the game of basketball since 1980 to list the better basketball programs historically. Western would be ranked at the bottom. When in fact historically Western would be top 2. ESPN made those other schools what they are today. Use any metric you want and I can make that case. Now if we are just talking 1990 up...no

Western
Kansas State
Texas Christian
Iowa State
Baylor
Texas Tech
Clemson
Miami (FL)
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Florida State

Number two nationwide because of your success all those years in the Ohio Valley Conference? Surely you're joking. Look, I think you guys have had a terrific basketball program for many years, certainly much better than our program has been since our inception in the early 80's, but Ohio Valley is Ohio Valley.

Well you just proved his point.

Look at what’s happened to baseball over the last decade. P5 schools started throwing tons of money he at it after sucking forever.

That’s what happened to basketball in the early 80s.
Example: the SEC
Until about 1988 it was Kentucky and 9 bums. (Actually, with the probation, Kentucky had become a bum too.)
Other than a couple of spurts here and there by other teams (Maravich, Ernie and Bernie, the F Troop), SEC hoops was ****.

The ACC and the Big 10 have always been great. Then the Big East came along. But most of those schools on that list would have been playing for scraps in the old OVC and early Sun Belt.

No, because my point is that everything he and a couple others are attributing to ESPN would've happened regardless, meaning that ESPN isn't responsible for what they're seeing with college basketball, rather that it was bound to be the natural course this whole thing would take even if they had never appeared on the scene. Please keep up.
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