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RE: Big East basketball
The Big West affiliates with Sacramento St. for soccer and beach volleyball (along with CSU Bakersfield).

The Big Sky affiliates with Binghamton and Hartford for golf.

The WAC has:

- 2 affiliates for baseball (N. Colorado and Sacramento St.)
- 5 affiliates for soccer (Air Force, UNLV, SJSU, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word)
- 3 affiliates for swimming & diving (Air Force, UNLV, Wyoming).

I'm sure the WAC, Big West, and Big Sky would welcome certain Gonzaga sports, such as baseball, soccer, volleyball, or tennis.

MPSF could house most other Olympic sports.

Gonzaga basketball only to the Big East would work. And there's no way DePaul and Butler, let alone Providence and St. John's, want to send their women's soccer team to Spokane.
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(02-05-2018 03:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  I can't recall seeing many fans of the Big East or its members who promote the idea of Big East expansion. Mostly outsiders. Why is that?

Because expansion for a conference only works when it makes sense for its membership. Some outsiders want to say, "Hey, a basketball-first conference. It'd be really cool to put a Wichita State, a VCU, a Gonzaga, or a St. Mary's in it." Unfortunately, there are no candidates, today, the check all of the boxes for Big East membership: Strong men's basketball program. Non-FBS. Private/Catholic. Urban location. Strong attendance/passionate fan base. East coast/Midwest location. No duplicated markets.
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It's a shame that Dayton's program couldn't be in Duquesne. That would be the perfect fit for the Big East. If Duquesne had a program worth a crap they would be a great fit for the Big East. Perfect bridge between the west and east schools. Good catholic metro in Pittsburgh.
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Well what’s hurt Dayton the most is being surpassed by Xavier. In the 80’s, Dayton was one of the Great Independents along with Notre Dame, DePaul, and Marquette. Dayton was invited to join the basketball centric Great Midwest in the 90’s as well. At some point during their A10 tenure XU cruised on by. Dayton is a great place to watch a game too.
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Dayton will always be in consideration for Big East expansion because of their institutional fit, athletic profile and fan base. They have strong attendance every year, regardless of performance. Every school has to be able to provide something to a conference if their top sport(s) is/are down. That can be geographic fit, academics, etc. Dayton checks a lot of boxes for Big East membership. Unfortunately, with regards to their location and lack of historical postseason success, there are a few that aren't.
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(02-06-2018 11:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Dayton will always be in consideration for Big East expansion because of their institutional fit, athletic profile and fan base. They have strong attendance every year, regardless of performance. Every school has to be able to provide something to a conference if their top sport(s) is/are down. That can be geographic fit, academics, etc. Dayton checks a lot of boxes for Big East membership. Unfortunately, with regards to their location and lack of historical postseason success, there are a few that aren't.

Yea, Dayton would be a candidate for expansion, but I also don't think they're a clear first choice either. In the end, I think X's long-term goal is to position themselves similarly in relation to OSU/Cincy/Dayton that Nova is with PSU/Temple/St. Joe's, and putting Dayton on equal footing doesn't serve that purpose.
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(02-07-2018 09:33 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 11:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Dayton will always be in consideration for Big East expansion because of their institutional fit, athletic profile and fan base. They have strong attendance every year, regardless of performance. Every school has to be able to provide something to a conference if their top sport(s) is/are down. That can be geographic fit, academics, etc. Dayton checks a lot of boxes for Big East membership. Unfortunately, with regards to their location and lack of historical postseason success, there are a few that aren't.

Yea, Dayton would be a candidate for expansion, but I also don't think they're a clear first choice either. In the end, I think X's long-term goal is to position themselves similarly in relation to OSU/Cincy/Dayton that Nova is with PSU/Temple/St. Joe's, and putting Dayton on equal footing doesn't serve that purpose.

Are you trying to say that Xavier is a better brand than Cincinnati?
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(02-07-2018 09:39 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:33 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 11:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Dayton will always be in consideration for Big East expansion because of their institutional fit, athletic profile and fan base. They have strong attendance every year, regardless of performance. Every school has to be able to provide something to a conference if their top sport(s) is/are down. That can be geographic fit, academics, etc. Dayton checks a lot of boxes for Big East membership. Unfortunately, with regards to their location and lack of historical postseason success, there are a few that aren't.

Yea, Dayton would be a candidate for expansion, but I also don't think they're a clear first choice either. In the end, I think X's long-term goal is to position themselves similarly in relation to OSU/Cincy/Dayton that Nova is with PSU/Temple/St. Joe's, and putting Dayton on equal footing doesn't serve that purpose.

Are you trying to say that Xavier is a better brand than Cincinnati?

I'm saying that X's long-term goal is almost certainly to become to Ohio what Nova is to Pennsylvania (or eastern Pennsylvania at least, there isn't a good Pitt in this analogy). As it stands right now they're making significant progress in that direction, and X/Cincy are likely at worst on equal footing currently, bit with X having a leg up in conference affiliation.
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Interesting comments from Dave Benedict, UConn AD, on the AAC yesterday:

"We’ve got to focus on winning and competing for conference championships in the conference we’re in,” he said. “This isn’t to suggest people shouldn’t long for the days of the old Big East. I get that, and how important rivalries are. When you start talking about the rivalries we had, it’s very understandable that our fan base would long for those days. But let’s not take anything away from the remarkable amount of success [the AAC] has had in a very short period of time. The basketball is also making strides. It’s not to say we have the same type of rivalries we had in the Big East, but you can’t deny that things have improved on an annual basis in this conference. But I totally get where our fan base is coming from.”

"Everybody knows we are challenged from a budget standpoint,” Benedict said, “and the loss of the Big East dollars is just another piece that we’re going to have to deal with. I’m having conversations on a day-to-day basis with the leadership at the university and we’re working very hard to figure out what our long-term plan is."
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well I guess those comments should fuel UConn to the BE talk for a few months
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