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(02-05-2018 05:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I'd like to see Georgetown join the ACC so we could resume our natural rivalries.

LOL, you could do that in the non-conference season if G'town really wanted to do so.
02-05-2018 07:24 PM
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(02-05-2018 05:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I'd like to see Georgetown join the ACC so we could resume our natural rivalries.

You're saying Villanova, St John's, Providence and Seton Hall aren't our natural rivals? To me they are.

Sure, do we want Syracuse and UConn back? And Pitt and BC? Absolutely.

But truth is, our rivals are scattered among three conferences right now, and the current Big East has arguably the most of them.
02-05-2018 07:26 PM
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(02-05-2018 11:01 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The ACC has a scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame in football. None of the other power conferences have non-football full members. What value would a non-football school have to bring for the PAC, SEC, B1G, ACC, or XII to consider membership? Would it have to be the value of Notre Dame or could it be less?

If at any point the Big East begins to struggle (not saying it will), would the SEC, ACC, and B1G (and perhaps XII) consider adding any of them as non-football members? Would the PAC ignore the Catholic affiliation and consider Gonzaga or St. Mary's?

The Pac-12 is never going to add a small religious school, not in this day and age.
02-06-2018 01:22 AM
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(02-05-2018 11:25 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I don't see this as being realistic. Notre Dame is a singularly unique brand name in college sports with extraordinary power. They're also providing some access to what's most valuable (Irish football) with 5 ACC football opponents per year. Conferences will move mountains and consider relationships that they wouldn't with ANYONE else with respect to Notre Dame. Even the freaking Big Ten eventually relented and provided Notre Dame with hockey membership, which they wouldn't have done for anyone else. The only school that could even possibly approach that type of value is if Texas were to ever become an independent and seek a similar deal. Otherwise, non-football schools don't move the needle enough for the P5 leagues and arguably no football school other than Texas would move that needle enough, either.

As a general matter, any conference realignment proposal that begins with either "If Notre Dame joins a conference..." or "This school would get a Notre Dame-type deal..." is pointless. How Notre Dame is treated has virtually no relevance to how the entire rest of college sports is treated - they can do whatever the heck they want and have their cake (independence) and eat it, too (CFP access and money).

On that last part, except for the service academies, especially Army and Navy. I proposed the AAC making a deal with them in a similar fashion.

Air Force already does this except they're a full member of the MWC.
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(02-05-2018 03:07 PM)ken d Wrote:  In the P5 discussion forum I posited a hypothetical scenario in which the 8 southernmost PAC schools broke off and merged with the Big 12 schools. That scenario left the 4 Pacific Northwest schools to rebuild the PAC with four schools from the Mountain West plus BYU for a 9 team conference. In that scenario, I suggested that Gonzaga would be a logical add for sports other than football to allow a 20 team conference round robin in basketball.

But that wouldn't really still be a P5 conference - just the best non-power conference.

Gonzaga is not going to any conference. They are an overachieving small time program. That ought to inspire them to join a better conference while they can.
02-06-2018 01:44 AM
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anything that fills in holes in your profile, protects your future & adds revenue, you have to considered it.
Conn would help BE
B-12 has small footprint, I like the idea of Crieghton, DePaul, Marquete & St Lious
AAC should take Mass under it's wing, strong Mass helps AAC
there are other BB programs that would help AAC
MWC should babysit NMST
02-06-2018 09:00 AM
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(02-05-2018 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 05:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I'd like to see Georgetown join the ACC so we could resume our natural rivalries.

You're saying Villanova, St John's, Providence and Seton Hall aren't our natural rivals? To me they are.

Sure, do we want Syracuse and UConn back? And Pitt and BC? Absolutely.

But truth is, our rivals are scattered among three conferences right now, and the current Big East has arguably the most of them.

I suppose. I guess we could modify the OOC to include the old mates on a regular basis the way we do Syracuse.
02-06-2018 09:30 AM
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Slightly off-topic, but it would be cool to get a preseason Old Big East shootout at MSG. You could get four of: Villanova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, and St. Johns, as well as four of: UConn, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Boston College. Just one game per year, rotating the opponents. West Virginia and Notre Dame could also be tossed in there as additional rotational teams.

In a given year you could have:
Villanova/Syracuse
Georgetown/Pittsburgh
UConn/Providence
Boston College/Seton Hall
02-06-2018 10:14 AM
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It happens the other way as well. For example, the University of Kentucky and the University of South Carolina have C-USA associate membership for men's soccer. The SEC does not sponsor men's soccer.
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
Here's a hypothetical that almost certainly will never come to fruition but it's the realignment board, why should we be tethered by reality?

What if the NCAA a) allowed basketball-only memberships and/or b) allowed basketball-only conferences? Does that significantly affect the makeup of today's conferences?
(This post was last modified: 02-06-2018 02:07 PM by Cyniclone.)
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