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Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
The ACC has a scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame in football. None of the other power conferences have non-football full members. What value would a non-football school have to bring for the PAC, SEC, B1G, ACC, or XII to consider membership? Would it have to be the value of Notre Dame or could it be less?

If at any point the Big East begins to struggle (not saying it will), would the SEC, ACC, and B1G (and perhaps XII) consider adding any of them as non-football members? Would the PAC ignore the Catholic affiliation and consider Gonzaga or St. Mary's?
02-05-2018 11:01 AM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
I don't see this as being realistic. Notre Dame is a singularly unique brand name in college sports with extraordinary power. They're also providing some access to what's most valuable (Irish football) with 5 ACC football opponents per year. Conferences will move mountains and consider relationships that they wouldn't with ANYONE else with respect to Notre Dame. Even the freaking Big Ten eventually relented and provided Notre Dame with hockey membership, which they wouldn't have done for anyone else. The only school that could even possibly approach that type of value is if Texas were to ever become an independent and seek a similar deal. Otherwise, non-football schools don't move the needle enough for the P5 leagues and arguably no football school other than Texas would move that needle enough, either.

As a general matter, any conference realignment proposal that begins with either "If Notre Dame joins a conference..." or "This school would get a Notre Dame-type deal..." is pointless. How Notre Dame is treated has virtually no relevance to how the entire rest of college sports is treated - they can do whatever the heck they want and have their cake (independence) and eat it, too (CFP access and money).
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02-05-2018 11:25 AM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
(02-05-2018 11:01 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The ACC has a scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame in football. None of the other power conferences have non-football full members. What value would a non-football school have to bring for the PAC, SEC, B1G, ACC, or XII to consider membership? Would it have to be the value of Notre Dame or could it be less?

IIRC, power conferences do have such arrangements, in minor sports. E.g., in men's soccer, SDSU is a PAC member.

For the major sports, though, I don't see it happening, because that would involve revenue sharing, and nobody would bring the needed revenue.
02-05-2018 12:11 PM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
(02-05-2018 12:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 11:01 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The ACC has a scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame in football. None of the other power conferences have non-football full members. What value would a non-football school have to bring for the PAC, SEC, B1G, ACC, or XII to consider membership? Would it have to be the value of Notre Dame or could it be less?

IIRC, power conferences do have such arrangements, in minor sports. E.g., in men's soccer, SDSU is a PAC member.

For the major sports, though, I don't see it happening, because that would involve revenue sharing, and nobody would bring the needed revenue.

Exactly. Johns Hopkins is a member of the Big Ten - but only for lacrosse, IIRC. You can forget about full membership without football, IMO.
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
The only one I could see would be Georgetown with the ACC to par up with Navy if Navy was taken football only.
02-05-2018 02:54 PM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
In the P5 discussion forum I posited a hypothetical scenario in which the 8 southernmost PAC schools broke off and merged with the Big 12 schools. That scenario left the 4 Pacific Northwest schools to rebuild the PAC with four schools from the Mountain West plus BYU for a 9 team conference. In that scenario, I suggested that Gonzaga would be a logical add for sports other than football to allow a 20 team conference round robin in basketball.

But that wouldn't really still be a P5 conference - just the best non-power conference.
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I'd like to see Georgetown join the ACC so we could resume our natural rivalries.
02-05-2018 05:09 PM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
(02-05-2018 03:07 PM)ken d Wrote:  In the P5 discussion forum I posited a hypothetical scenario in which the 8 southernmost PAC schools broke off and merged with the Big 12 schools. That scenario left the 4 Pacific Northwest schools to rebuild the PAC with four schools from the Mountain West plus BYU for a 9 team conference. In that scenario, I suggested that Gonzaga would be a logical add for sports other than football to allow a 20 team conference round robin in basketball.

But that wouldn't really still be a P5 conference - just the best non-power conference.

Under that scenario you would need to add St.Mary's too as an 11th BB team to play 20 games or 18 with 10 members, you don't play yourself.
02-05-2018 05:52 PM
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RE: Non-Football Power Conference Membership?
I'd say that the likelihood of any Big East member returning to a conference where they are second fiddle to football powers is remote at best. The ACC, where many of the Big East membership would end up going in this hypothetical, does not need Olympic members, nor does it need more basketball members. They already have 15 teams.

Having said that, I'd rank schools like Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Providence as much more likely to get into a true power conference membership. For schools like Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Creighton and Butler, the B1G ain't calling them. The Big 12 would be an intriguing possibility, however.
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The only P5 conference that may take a non-football member is the ACC. Then they would be at 14 for football and 16 for basketball. The only school I could see getting that deal is Texas. That would allow them to keep all of their football on the LHN and maybe turn a deal where the LHN becomes the local carrier of ACC network sports. Otherwise, there is no other scenario that pays enough for a P5 conference to become a hybrid.
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