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Kansas paper asks some experts & they agree, what's wrong with WSU? The AAC
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Quote:Mark Adams: “Are they as good defensively as they have been? The answer right now is no. If you’re looking for a common thread in those five losses, here’s what I found: In the Notre Dame loss, Bonzie Colson went for 25. Trae Young went for 29 and 10 assists. Shake Milton went off for 33. Houston’s Rob Gray went for 24. Temple’s Quinton Rose scored 19 (on Thursday). Now that adds up to the other team’s best player averaging 26 points and shooting well over 50 percent. Really since Gregg (Marshall) has been here, that’s typically never happened.

Gary Parrish: “They’re just not good on the defensive end and that’s really surprising. They were top-15 in defensive efficiency last year... I don’t know how to explain why this Wichita State team isn’t better. They’ve got an unbelievable defensive coach and players who have done it before.”

“Does Wichita State look like a top-10 team right now? The answer is no. But if they start guarding a little better, maybe a lot better, then they’re certainly still capable of that. I would be way more concerned if the pieces weren’t in place. But almost all of the pieces that made them really good last year are basically in place. It’s just a matter of doing it.

Rob Dauster: “They’re just not defending all that well and you kind of made the assumption coming into the season that a team coached by Gregg Marshall is going to defend well regardless of what conference and who they were playing. They just haven’t done that. It doesn’t make any sense to me and I can’t figure it out."

They certainly do agree. Wichita State is a far cry from what it was last year.

Thanks for reposting what was already covered earlier; it's integral for a full understanding on the issue:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-840812-post-150...id15050135


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Kansas paper talks to some experts and they agree what's wrong with Wichita? The AAC
Quote:Has moving up a weight class to the American — with better talent and coaches — exposed some of Wichita State’s deficiencies it was able to hide in the Missouri Valley?

Parrish: “When they were in the Missouri Valley last year, there was one other top-100 KenPom team in the league. Now in the American, there’s basically four others plus Wichita State. So what is happening is Wichita State is playing quality opponents more regularly in January and February and where that catches up to you is that when you’re playing sub-100 teams like you were in the Valley, you have an off-night and that means you win by six instead of 16. It doesn’t mean you lose. So now you’re playing these top-100 teams and especially on the road, if you don’t play well then you will lose.”

Thompson: “I think that’s an easy narrative. But they know what it takes. This is one of the best programs in the country. Is the conference a step-up on a night-to-night basis? Yes. But they’ve just got to settle in. It’s no time to panic. They’ve been through it and they’re not going to panic. They’ve just got to fight through it.”

Bilas: “When you play in a better league, you’re going to get challenged a little more, especially on the road and that’s mainly what’s happened. They’re playing against bigger bodies and better athletes more consistently. So when you go on the road and you’re Wichita State with their reputation, then of course people are going to try to take a swing at them.”

Rothstein: “For a long time Wichita State was a really, really good team in a league except maybe Creighton that didn’t have another team that was a high-caliber team. This year you have several teams in the American that are NCAA-worthy and the ones behind them are still plenty capable. It’s just a lot tougher league.”

Adams: People who thought Wichita State was going to come into this league and have teams kiss their ring, that was never going to happen. Think about it: Wichita State has 11 new teams to prepare for every single game. The rest of the league has only one new preparation. That lack of familiarity with the league and what the strengths and weaknesses are of a team matters. You can study all of the video you want, but until you go into these actual matchups and learn the nuances of these teams and coaches, then it’s just guesswork. I think that’s what a lot of people don’t recognize is how hard it is for a new team to make this kind of transition.”
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Quote:Should Wichita State fans be concerned at this point in the season?

Adams: “Isn’t this why Wichita State wanted to make the move? To be challenged and to be more tournament-ready and to play in a multiple-bid league? That’s why Wichita State joined the American, so fans need to stop complaining about it now that it’s here. My advice to every Wichita State fan is to take a deep breathe. It’s OK. I think this team came in with extremely high expectations and it’s natural to buy into that, but it also creates a lot of pressure on the coaches and the players. Of course every fan wants to believe every positive thing about their team, but you’ve also got to go out there and prove it.”

Bilas: “If Wichita State fans want to panic, then have at it. They can set their hair on fire and jump off the bandwagon because it doesn’t matter what they do. They’re just spectators. It only matters what Gregg Marshall and his team do and they’ve been through this thing before and they’re just going through a new league. They don’t hand out the trophy right now. It’s at the end of the season and I think that’s important to keep in mind that this is not the end of the story.”

Parrish: “What I would say first is that their struggles are relative to what they’ve been used to in recent years and what they were supposed to be in the preseason. But the truth is they’re sitting at 17-5 and they’re still top-25 in KenPom. It’s not like they’ve completely fallen off the radar. If Zach Brown makes that shot at Temple (in regulation), then you and I probably aren’t even talking right now. Things probably aren’t as bad as they feel to that fan base that is used to a lot of winning pretty much without exception.”

Thompson: “They’re in a funk, but that happens. They’re too well-coached; they’re a veteran team; and Shamet is one of the best guards in the country. They’ll be OK.”

Rothstein: “It’s a long season and I don’t think it’s time to panic just yet. There’s no question they have to get Shamet back on track and they also need to find a way to get Shamet, Frankamp, and Reaves all playing well at the same time. But there’s plenty of time to get that figured out.”
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(02-05-2018 02:03 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
Quote:Has moving up a weight class to the American — with better talent and coaches — exposed some of Wichita State’s deficiencies it was able to hide in the Missouri Valley?

Parrish: “When they were in the Missouri Valley last year, there was one other top-100 KenPom team in the league. Now in the American, there’s basically four others plus Wichita State. So what is happening is Wichita State is playing quality opponents more regularly in January and February and where that catches up to you is that when you’re playing sub-100 teams like you were in the Valley, you have an off-night and that means you win by six instead of 16. It doesn’t mean you lose. So now you’re playing these top-100 teams and especially on the road, if you don’t play well then you will lose.”

Thompson: “I think that’s an easy narrative. But they know what it takes. This is one of the best programs in the country. Is the conference a step-up on a night-to-night basis? Yes. But they’ve just got to settle in. It’s no time to panic. They’ve been through it and they’re not going to panic. They’ve just got to fight through it.”

Bilas: “When you play in a better league, you’re going to get challenged a little more, especially on the road and that’s mainly what’s happened. They’re playing against bigger bodies and better athletes more consistently. So when you go on the road and you’re Wichita State with their reputation, then of course people are going to try to take a swing at them.”

Rothstein: “For a long time Wichita State was a really, really good team in a league except maybe Creighton that didn’t have another team that was a high-caliber team. This year you have several teams in the American that are NCAA-worthy and the ones behind them are still plenty capable. It’s just a lot tougher league.”

Adams: People who thought Wichita State was going to come into this league and have teams kiss their ring, that was never going to happen. Think about it: Wichita State has 11 new teams to prepare for every single game. The rest of the league has only one new preparation. That lack of familiarity with the league and what the strengths and weaknesses are of a team matters. You can study all of the video you want, but until you go into these actual matchups and learn the nuances of these teams and coaches, then it’s just guesswork. I think that’s what a lot of people don’t recognize is how hard it is for a new team to make this kind of transition.”

I guess this makes the point both sides are trying to make? Of course the AAC is better, but there is something more than just the AAC that is causing some problems. Is the AAC the only reason Framkamp is shooting 36% from three, when last year he shot 44%?
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(02-05-2018 02:26 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 02:03 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
Quote:Has moving up a weight class to the American — with better talent and coaches — exposed some of Wichita State’s deficiencies it was able to hide in the Missouri Valley?

Parrish: “When they were in the Missouri Valley last year, there was one other top-100 KenPom team in the league. Now in the American, there’s basically four others plus Wichita State. So what is happening is Wichita State is playing quality opponents more regularly in January and February and where that catches up to you is that when you’re playing sub-100 teams like you were in the Valley, you have an off-night and that means you win by six instead of 16. It doesn’t mean you lose. So now you’re playing these top-100 teams and especially on the road, if you don’t play well then you will lose.”

Thompson: “I think that’s an easy narrative. But they know what it takes. This is one of the best programs in the country. Is the conference a step-up on a night-to-night basis? Yes. But they’ve just got to settle in. It’s no time to panic. They’ve been through it and they’re not going to panic. They’ve just got to fight through it.”

Bilas: “When you play in a better league, you’re going to get challenged a little more, especially on the road and that’s mainly what’s happened. They’re playing against bigger bodies and better athletes more consistently. So when you go on the road and you’re Wichita State with their reputation, then of course people are going to try to take a swing at them.”

Rothstein: “For a long time Wichita State was a really, really good team in a league except maybe Creighton that didn’t have another team that was a high-caliber team. This year you have several teams in the American that are NCAA-worthy and the ones behind them are still plenty capable. It’s just a lot tougher league.”

Adams: People who thought Wichita State was going to come into this league and have teams kiss their ring, that was never going to happen. Think about it: Wichita State has 11 new teams to prepare for every single game. The rest of the league has only one new preparation. That lack of familiarity with the league and what the strengths and weaknesses are of a team matters. You can study all of the video you want, but until you go into these actual matchups and learn the nuances of these teams and coaches, then it’s just guesswork. I think that’s what a lot of people don’t recognize is how hard it is for a new team to make this kind of transition.”

I guess this makes the point both sides are trying to make? Of course the AAC is better, but there is something more than just the AAC that is causing some problems. Is the AAC the only reason Framkamp is shooting 36% from three, when last year he shot 44%?

The fact that he is facing bigger faster defenders? That he went from all conference player to 3rd team? The talent pool doesn't just go to offenses. The MVC doesn't have the players of size and athletic ability the AAC does. Who in the MVC has a probable 1st round pick guarding the rim? How many 6-6 3andD wings are there in the MVC for him to shoot over? How many guards who were smaller, less athletic, slower defenders did shamet or McDuffie break down and create an open shot for him or others? Now that they don't have a top 5 player in the league how much harder is it to do what they want to?
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Adams: People who thought Wichita State was going to come into this league and have teams kiss their ring, that was never going to happen.

Bwahahahaha. Witchita State fans didn't think this, did they?

Just wait until Uconn and Memphis wake from their slumber. Bwahahahaha. Enjoy the easy days Wichita.
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Kids from Idaho have a hard time playing in the Eastern Standard Time zone. Fact.
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(02-05-2018 02:37 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 02:26 PM)pvtlamb Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 02:03 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
Quote:Has moving up a weight class to the American — with better talent and coaches — exposed some of Wichita State’s deficiencies it was able to hide in the Missouri Valley?

Parrish: “When they were in the Missouri Valley last year, there was one other top-100 KenPom team in the league. Now in the American, there’s basically four others plus Wichita State. So what is happening is Wichita State is playing quality opponents more regularly in January and February and where that catches up to you is that when you’re playing sub-100 teams like you were in the Valley, you have an off-night and that means you win by six instead of 16. It doesn’t mean you lose. So now you’re playing these top-100 teams and especially on the road, if you don’t play well then you will lose.”

Thompson: “I think that’s an easy narrative. But they know what it takes. This is one of the best programs in the country. Is the conference a step-up on a night-to-night basis? Yes. But they’ve just got to settle in. It’s no time to panic. They’ve been through it and they’re not going to panic. They’ve just got to fight through it.”

Bilas: “When you play in a better league, you’re going to get challenged a little more, especially on the road and that’s mainly what’s happened. They’re playing against bigger bodies and better athletes more consistently. So when you go on the road and you’re Wichita State with their reputation, then of course people are going to try to take a swing at them.”

Rothstein: “For a long time Wichita State was a really, really good team in a league except maybe Creighton that didn’t have another team that was a high-caliber team. This year you have several teams in the American that are NCAA-worthy and the ones behind them are still plenty capable. It’s just a lot tougher league.”

Adams: People who thought Wichita State was going to come into this league and have teams kiss their ring, that was never going to happen. Think about it: Wichita State has 11 new teams to prepare for every single game. The rest of the league has only one new preparation. That lack of familiarity with the league and what the strengths and weaknesses are of a team matters. You can study all of the video you want, but until you go into these actual matchups and learn the nuances of these teams and coaches, then it’s just guesswork. I think that’s what a lot of people don’t recognize is how hard it is for a new team to make this kind of transition.”

I guess this makes the point both sides are trying to make? Of course the AAC is better, but there is something more than just the AAC that is causing some problems. Is the AAC the only reason Framkamp is shooting 36% from three, when last year he shot 44%?

The fact that he is facing bigger faster defenders? That he went from all conference player to 3rd team? The talent pool doesn't just go to offenses. The MVC doesn't have the players of size and athletic ability the AAC does. Who in the MVC has a probable 1st round pick guarding the rim? How many 6-6 3andD wings are there in the MVC for him to shoot over? How many guards who were smaller, less athletic, slower defenders did shamet or McDuffie break down and create an open shot for him or others? Now that they don't have a top 5 player in the league how much harder is it to do what they want to?

Who's the 1st round rim-protector in the AAC?





I know all you AAC'rs aren't that blind/dumb. We're just having fun arguing and killing time right?


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